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  1. I remember some time back when I was criticizing the Transit agencies’ love affair with tunnels at Waterview and Victoria Park and the harbour crossings, many of you scoffed at what we call “The Princess Diana Syndrome” and how many people will not use a tunnel in emergencies. They would be especially afraid in a country like NZ prone to Earthquake, volcanos and tsunami.

    Well consider this story from the Herald and wonder who scoffs last and longest?


  2. backstory and more before we all get too precious about COP15 achievements etc — http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/12/high-drama-in-copenhagen-per-administration-officials.html

    H/T: Jake Tapper-to ABC news(US) Interesting mebbe is how South Africa’s and Brazil’s funding line to Kyoto could well have gotten in the way of NOW deals.

    And I’d have to agree with President Obama about Kyoto being legally binding and mostly ignored emissions/polluters wise. Including enzed.

  3. kiwinewt,

    I appreciate the bbc link.

    But I’m sorry to tell you that the blog link is not the breaking news. It’s a denialist harumphing about the leak of the un secretariat report a couple of days ago. That’s the report which took the deals people initially brought to copenhagen and calculated that if they all met them we’d still be on track for at least 3 degrees of warming. It was covered in more detail and with less harumphing here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/17/un-leaked-report-copenhagen-3c



  4. From the BBC:

    Richard Black,
    BBC News environment correspondent

    President Obama may have a deal with Brazil, China, India and South Africa – but it’s not at all clear that he has a deal with anyone else.
    While the White House was announcing the agreement, many other – perhape most other – delegations had not even seen it.

    A comment from a UK official suggested the text was not yet final and the Bolivian delegation has already complained about the way it was reached – “anti-democratic, anti-transparent and unacceptable”.

    With no firm target for limiting the global temperature rise, no commitment to a legal treaty and no target year for peaking emissions, countries most vulnerable to climate impacts have not got the deal they wanted.

  5. cleanskies tell me Brazil in that group also.. each to detail their own emissions reduction profile with (I’m not so sure about) full MRV.. couldbe prospecting planetary model to this end.. subsidiarity in play etc

  6. Well the Talk will be (is now) all over the TV news. I fear that it will remain just that; Talk.
    Meanwhile I’d be very interested to hear more detail on the splitting off of our Social Welfare network along racial lines.
    As the writer James Lee Burke says of America; “The Country I was born in, is not the country I live in today”.
    A truism that I find applies to me upon taking up a life again in NZ.
    A house divided against itself cannot stand – particularly true when applied to the Economy of a small country.
    New Zealand has economic potential unbounded imo – but only if we work together.
    However our state of official racial divisiveness got started – it is way past time it was ended.
    Whilst I recognise that different groups have different needs – I do not agree that this merits separate racial political parties.
    An Afro-American is President in the US – without the existence of a separate Political Party.
    Enormous improvements have been made for the Aborigine in Australia – within the framework of a mixed but Unified Political System.
    I’ll say it again….we need to be Kiwi’s racially, officially and sociologically. Divisiveness is the doorway to failure.
    In the coutry I grew up, my best friends were the children of a local Cheif in a small village….his youngest daughter and I were to be married (she died of cancer unfortunately).
    But my point is, there was only “Us” then – not an ‘Us and Them’ paradigm – something I find to be wholly unnecessary and objectionable.
    Different Cultures can and should be celebrated within the framework of a unified nation.

  7. This from Jeanette in the last hour is the latest word:

    So far there is still nothing to report. Bits of news leaking out of the closed sessions suggests a very poor outcome – even giving up on a binding deal next year.

    Plenary is just reconvening but no guarantee of an outcome.

    Obama has had three bi-laterals with China. Some people appear to be trying. But so far no-one has put anything additional on the table. Guy at next table has found a media report that Obama has reached an agreement with China. China agreeing to international verification of its emissions reductions would be key.

  8. c’mon Frog. Get us some details.

    This is the 21st century. We’re not so good at this delayed-gratification thing.

  9. I am still ignorant of the details of the deal, but fear that it’s only what they’ve all already offered being spun as a successful deal to make the leaders look better at home.

  10. http://www.kplctv.com/global/story.asp?s=11701470

    “COPENHAGEN (AP) – A senior Obama administration official says the U.S., China, India and South Africa have reached a “meaningful agreement” on climate change.

    The official characterized the deal as a first step, but said it was not enough to combat the threat of a warming planet.

    Details of the deal with these emerging economies were not immediately clear.

    The agreement was reached Friday at the U.N. climate conference in Copenhagen after a meeting among President Barack Obama and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh (MUHN’-moh-hahn sing) and South African President Jacob Zuma (ZOO’-muh).

    The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the agreement had not yet been officially announced.

    The agreement was with the smallergroup of countries, but was being worked by Obama and various negotiating teams with a larger number of countries, the official said.”

  11. Arg. I’m trying to find some decent news coverage of this on the net, and failing.

    That is *really* frustrating.
    from ten minutes ago at 10:20am NZT I’ve got this

    “BREAKING NEWS: The world’s major emitters are backing a deal which has emerged at climate change talks in Copenhagen but Prime Minister John Key says it does not go far enough.

    Key said New Zealand was comfortable with the text and it could meet the conditions without having to change its mid-term or long-term greenhouse gas emissions targets.


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