by frog
All political parties will be conducting post-election reviews in the next wee while. I’d be interested in your views on what you felt the Greens did right, and what we did wrong. To get the ball rolling, here’s what Chris Trotter had to say about our campaign in today’s Independent:
Labour’s successful wooing of the student vote throws into sharp relief the general failure of the Greens’ election campaign.
As a long-time observer of Left politics, I estimate that 150,000 left-wing voters (5%-7% in terms of the party vote) remained politically inert as a result of the sheer ineptitude of the Greens as an electoral organisation.
Leaving aside its appalling billboards and its inexplicable failure to exploit the full political potential of the peak oil issue, the Green Party’s most egregious fault was its apparent indifference to the virtual collapse of its Auckland organisation.
In both the 1999 and 2002 elections Auckland had a vibrant Green scene – reflected in a level of voter support well ahead of the national average. By 2005, however, Green activity had declined precipitately and its level of support in Auckland had slipped below that of the other main centres.
Part of the problem lay in the general exodus of Auckland-based Green MPs and activists. Sue Bradford decamped to the far north, Metiria Turei to the deep south, Nandor Tanczos to Hamilton and key activist Catherine Delahunty to Gisborne. By the start of the campaign only Keith Locke remained in the Queen City to carry the Green banner.
There was nothing in the run-up to the 2005 election to match the anti-GE mobilisations of 2001/03. Peak oil offered so much scope for creative consciousness-raising but remained a purely academic exercise, with next to no resonance among Auckland’s hapless commuters.
Ironically, as the election campaign reached its climax, the price of petrol broke through the $1.50-a-litre barrier. Inexplicably, what any other party would have regarded as a gift from the gods, the Greens’ propagandists all but ignored.
Instead of painting themselves as far-seeing prophets with real-world answers for the harried motorist, the Greens allowed themselves to be demonised as car-haters and motorway postponers…
The Greens will need to move swiftly if they are to recover their radical mojo.
I disagree with much of what Trotter says here, but it’s a useful starting point. For example, what he says about Green support dropping in Auckland and among students is not accurate. It’s absolutely not true that the Green vote in Auckland used to be higher than our national vote but has collapsed since 1999. In that year, we got 4.7% of the Auckland vote, compared to 5.2% nationwide. This year, we got 4.8% of the Auckland vote, compared to 5.3% nationwide. So, barely any change. That’s not to deny that we need to better in Auckland. Of course we do. If the Greens are going to be the third largest party in New Zealand, then we need to do a lot better than slightly below 5% in the City of Sails.
Actually, looking at the difference between the Green vote in 1999 and 2005 (which is instructive for looking at regional changes, because of a similar base vote – 5.16% in 1999 and 5.30% this year), you see that the Green vote has become more urban: it’s rural and provincial Kiwis who have moved away, not city-dwellers. Compared with 1999, we did around 2 percentage points better in Dunedin, Wellington and Christchurch this time. Our votes in Auckland and Hamilton were pretty much exactly the same, and our votes in rural and provincial electorates dropped.
And, as for the student vote, our best electorates (in terms of the percentage leap in support from 1999 to 2005) are a roll call of electorates with big student populations: Wellington Central, Rongotai, Mt Albert, Dunedin North, Banks Peninsula, Christchurch Central, Mana, Palmerston North, and Dunedin South.
I’d also strongly contest the claim that the Greens didn’t try to make peak oil an election issue. Jeanette campaigned tirelessly on this issue and on transport but, far more often than not, the media ignored what we were doing. This happened to all third parties (bar Winston, who had more colourful ways of keeping in the headlines) in a campaign dominated by the two main parties.
In any case, having said all of that, I’m sure there’s lots the Greens can learn from Campaign 2005. As always, your ideas are welcome
UPDATE: Those regional breakdown figures I mentioned were based on the provisional results, not the finals. However, having done the full calculations now, the finals don’t tell all that different a story. We did much better this time compared to 1999 in Wellington (8.67% vs 6.12%), Christchurch (7.44% vs 5.74%) and Dunedin (8.00% vs 5.61%). we can probably thank students and urban liberals for that. We did pretty much the same in Auckland (4.80% vs 4.85%) and Hamilton (4.73% vs 4.75%) as we did in 1999. Our big losses, however, were in the provinces (4.45% vs 4.95%), rural electorates (4.78% vs 5.18%), and the Maori seats (3.32% vs 4.96%).
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Published in Campaign by frog on Wed, October 5th, 2005
Tags: environment
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
I very much agree with Chris’s assessments of the billboards. The colours were shocking for readability at a distance, and the boards far too busy to have an impact. I was also at a loss to explain why the key clear message (i.e. vote Green) was tucked away in the bottom right hand corner rather than at the top left.
Given the hard to decipher graphic a motorist would have passed it before the eye had made it down. I hate to criticize the publicity team, but this would have failed in billboarding 101 I am sure – did they not make some mock-ups and go put them up somewhere to drive past and observe?
Also, the Greens were at 9% during the Zimbabwe issue, why wasn’t that raised more often?
It is easy to criticize from afar, but I promise the billboard issue has mobilized me into getting my say in next time.
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the billboards were not readable close-up let alone at a distance. Not just the words were difficult to read, but the pictures were difficult to make out what they were, especially the power station out the back of the houses one.
The small billboards were excellent though. Maybe we should just go for small ones next time! It was good that several different ones could be presented in the same place.
the bumper stickers also had poor choice of colours, with insufficient contrast so that they were unreadable in daylight (although they did light up in street light), also the font size was too small.
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Speaking from the countryside, I was shocked to hear of the anipathy farmers, especially the property owners, but even some workers, had towards the Greens. If I dared to ask why, their answers were clearly based on exaggerated misinformation.
The Greens are always on about healthy land, healthy food products, healthy people, so why are farming leaders so hellbent on not even listening to the Greens? Why tout scaremongering and lies?
I naively thought that healthy food production and a sustainable freight system would be to the benefit of farmers. Joy.
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Billboards not a strong point. But I did think that something clear throughout the whole campaign was that the Green party had a solid, cohesive and clear *brand*. Few other parties had such a recognisable brand.
All the green MPs seemed like real people. Really had that going for you.
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Clara and Stuey got it spot on about the billboards. It was as good as money down the drain for a party that needs every campaign cent it can get.
I thought it was pretty good how the issues focused on were generally ones everyone could benefit from, like energy and transport. I thought Jeanette came across very well whenever I saw her on tv.
I know it’s a point of contention amongst Green supporters, but I really think we will be stronger with the emphasis on environmental and not social issues. The latter are certainly important, but in this respect the Greens are so far left that they scare off many concerned environmentalists, which sucks. Of course we want a fair world, but having a world at all should be of utmost importance.
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Yeah Here in PN I found alot of people had crazy biast missinformed beliefs.
I think that a more concentrated “word of mouth” campaign would be a good thing because thats the one media that cannot be baught or sold. This woud mean spending resourses in training for our members, – workshops , roleplays. To teahc us to each be effective green salespeople not just to strangers but more imortantly to our families and friends. To be persistant and crystal clear without being overbearing or annoying. I can get too worked up and turn people off. I need to learn to moderate and work on winning the war not the battle in political discussions.
- I truely beleive this would help and give our support a strength that can’t be stolen by flashy tv ads or smear pamphlets.
I also think that we let our opponents frame the debate way too much. They paint us as hippys and looneys. Then Were on the back foot defending ourselves.
We need to provoke our opponants into talking about the real issues, So that while they’re attacking our personalities, We attack their policies. This needs to be done in a cheecky/provoking/shocking way. by making emotive statements about policy that can’t proved wrong.
We did a great job in setting out our clear and moderate position on cannabis but I think we could have had better defence on that issue by accusing others of policies that are pro – prohibition. Or to put it more strongly are pro Gangs profiting of drugs etc.
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I think the social and environmental issues go hand in hand (socio-environmentalism if you will).
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Chris also left out one factor: the defecting of a sizeable proportion of Maori voters to the Maori Party.
Whereas in 2002 we got 10% of the Maori vote, we only got 3% this time. This is because of the existence of the Maori Party this time around. Not that the Maori Party should be accused of ‘stealing’ our vote; just that this is a factor to be taken into consideration.
I agree with Stuey: the smaller billboards were more effective. They clearly and succinctly stated the party line on various issues. I must say though I do like the puns used in the larger billboards; but for a motorist driving along, it would be more effective to ‘hit’ them with easily readible and digestible messages.
The peak oil issue is a rather complicated issue, far more so than the way Chris presents it. On the one hand, the Greens *did* say “we told you so; that’s why we’ve been advocating alternatives to oil consumption for a long time now”, but on the other hand the public wanted to know “well that’s all good and well, but alternatives take time to develop; how are you going to address the immediate rise in prices?”. The media must cop a fair share of the blame for this (besides the public’s own misgivings re. the Green approach, I might add), since the way they portrayed our stance on public transport seemed to compound the problem by implying that we want to do away with cars and motorways altogether. So it’s a mixture of how we portray our policy, the way in which the media gives a spin on it, and the manner in which the public perceives and interprets the media’s presentation of Green policy.
Perhaps what we could have done better was raise the issue earlier, so the public has more time to take in the information on the matter and to understand the Greens’ propositions.
Also, we could’ve got in on the tax debate a bit more fervently. Leaving aside the media’s hand in playing up the issue, the inescapable reality is that tax was a major issue in the minds of voters (if the surveys conducted are to be trusted), and our tax policy could have been highlighted a little better – to present an alternative to National’s AND Labour’s packages.
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We should remember that the billboards send two types of message. The first one is the message contained in the billboard itself. Until we do research, I suspect that its’ anyone’s guess whether the billboards were effective in delivering their intended message.
The second message is a meta-message. It relates to the perception of the Greens as being a credible, committed political organisation. Anyone party get their act together and put up billboards at the beginning of a campaign,. How they maintain the billboards (including refreshing them with new messages) is, IMHO, critical to the public reaching the conclusion that the party owning the billboards a credible politcal party.
In my area (AK Central / Mt Albert), I noticed that Act and Destiny had no capacity to maintain their billboards (once down, they were really repaired) whereas the Greens and others clearly had the organisational strength to maintain/referesh the billboards.
Of the third parties, I reckon that the Greens and NZ First had the strongest billboard campaigns. Note because they had exceptionally strong messages (I mean, what’s with Winston’s gaiety ?) but because they had strong billboard support and wide placement coverage.
And these two parties did the best out of all third parties.
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ajw:
Highlighting our environmental policies OVER AND ABOVE our social policies only serves to compound our image as a predominantly environmentalist party. It also gives our detractors ammunition to deride us as being hippies and tree-huggers.
Besides, I believe the environmental vote has already been more or less secured. We will only end up scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Also let me say this: if the Greens are to highlight their environmental policies more so than their social and other policies, they will end up alienating myself and a good other fellow students, as well as a vast number of individuals who have concerns not confined solely or predominantly to environmental goals.
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I agree with the other respondants about the billboards; I think enough has been said about them.
For me, as a Green Party candidate in an urban, largely working class and conservative electorate (with a huge majority for the incumbant labour MP), the main bugbear was DRUGS.
Time and time again at electorate meetings, I got sympathetic nods when I mentioned the Green Party policies on healthy foods, public transport, the environment, not becoming another Louisiana, and all the sensible type policies. However, someone would then raise the issue of marijuana and it would all turn to custard, and friendliness would suddenly turn to hostility.
I was very uncomfortable with the old policy of a total legalisation of marijuana. I am more comfortable with a decriminalisation. We have a policy that hard drugs (heroin, P, cocaine etc.) should still be illegal. This is because they are relatively rare, and legalising them would make them more available and give a bad example to youth.
We keep alcohol and tobacco legal, not because they are harmless (nicotine especially is extremely addictive, and I am sure neither nicotine nor alcohol would get HSNO approval if they were discovered now), but becuase they are ubiquitous, and experience has shown us that prohibition does not work.
Marijuana is midway between the legal drugs and the hard drugs in terms of availability, so it makes no sense to criminalise people who use it, but equally makes no sense to encourage it.
So I have no problem with the policy. I will say this again, because I have been getting a lot of quite strident attacks from Green supporters who have difficulty understanding written English.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE POLICY.
I do however have a number of problems with the way it is publicised and the arguments used. For example:
– It is pointless to argue that decriminalisation would assist in education. We are quite capable of implementing drug education without decriminalisation. The sole reason for decriminalising is to avoid giving people police records for a youthful indiscretion.
- Nandor has gone on record as saying he smokes marijuana. He has therefore admitted that he is doing something illegal, and that furthermore we have no intention of legalising it. It is equivalent to admitting that one deliberately parks illegally (also an infringment but not a criminal offence). I suggested Nandor could publicly say that in accordance with the stated policy of a drug free lifestyle being the best, he could state he has given it up, because he realises he is a role model for youth. There are precendents for this. Greg Lounibos, the Olympic dive gold medallist declared publically that since he has become a role model for youth, he would give up smoking (a legal drug).
I should state, for those who are fond of misunderstanding, and attacking non-existant straw men, that this is not a personal attack on Nandor. I will say this again
THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON NANDOR
I worked with Nandor, I found him intelligent, compassionate and a real asset to the Greens. He is not a one issue charlaten as most people seem to think. He has worked on tertiary education, justice and IT, to name a few.
So I am disappointed Nandor did not get back in. But I would have liked the drug issue to be given to someone else. If we are serious in our belief that drugs are a health issue, and not a criminal one then why don’t we let the health spokesperson, not the justice spokesperson take charge of this issue.
Better still, why don’t we leave it as a conscience issue, like alcohol. I know that some Greens support raising the drinking age, and some don’t. It makes much more sense to treat all recreational drugs the same way.
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The views above about people’s wrong ideas show, in my opinion, how well the Exclusive Brethren lie sheet worked. Some mud always sticks, and we should make every effort to make sure it won’t happen again.
Freedom of speech is one thing, but if the party spending limit can be avoided by putting out political advertising under a different name, they have made a mockery of the Electoral Act.
It would be good if sending out political literature within the month before an election were limited to recognised parties and candidates, under penalty of hefty fines.
Some MPs have suffered financially through this, and perhaps they have grounds to take legal action. The lies in the pamphlets are easy to prove.
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I think a word of mouth campaign would be tricky – we don’t want to be paralleled (sp?) with evangelical Christians (well I don’t anyway)
I think the “commonsense” that this party is interested in the triple bottom line, based on scientific fact, implemented with the help of cutting edge techonology and motivated by the simple desire to be a good citizen by looking out for others.
In addition, many (right wing) parties had environmental/energy policies which stated that “issues be based on science not ideology”. We need to reclaim this by showing real evidence.
If we could find an appropriate economist and put them in the top ten that wouldn’t hurt either.
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“I think a word of mouth campaign would be tricky – we don’t want to be paralleled (sp?) with evangelical Christians (well I don’t anyway)”.
I disagree, at least in so far as I totally agree with Wizban’s most of comments above. There are right ways and wrong ways of talking to people if you want to change their minds, and training and information that gives us the confidence to respond, and even more importantly, keep listening, when we hear someone slagging off Greens is a great idea.
Our group has also made a resolution to get more visibly involved in local community issues, as a way of showing people we’re not really scary.
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The majority of voters are mainstream (not in some odd Brashesque sense, but really… the average is average). The Greens policies are painted as more radical than they are, which turns most voters off.
A real problem is that the newpaper headline “Greens policies boring and sensible instead of radical and wierd” will ever appear because the media thrives on confrontation and extremism. Dog does not bite man – that isn’t news.
Meanwhile Greens have many opponents who are attempting to paint them as scary radicals, even when their policies tend to the pragmatic and moderate (with a sensible focus on the achievable).
Some thought must go into how to defuse that problem.
I think taking over UF’s claim to be the party of Common Sense would be a good move. Common Sense. And if they complain: hey a public debate with Dunne about common sense wouldn’t be a bad thing either.
I think taking the Exclusive Brethren to court for Libel would also be a good move (if you’re sure you can win… I’m aware that being lied about and being legally libelled aren’t quite the same). Even if the resulting damages are fairly token, you’ve got to do something about the people who lie about you, you’ve got to hammer home the point that people are lying about you, you’ve go to emphasise that much ‘common knowledge’ about the Greens is a result of lies and distortions.
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Clara I agree it would be tricky but I think it would be well worth it. There is always word of mouth between people on political issues, one thing I find is that people are afraid to talk politics. Wouldn’t it be good for the greens to get people talking more? The more people talk about the issues instead of swallowing T.V. soundbites, the more popular good policies will be imo. I think that the more people discuss real issues and think for themselves about them the better our democracy will be (and, I think the better the greens will do). There are parties / ideologies, however that want people to be in the dark , and to be influenced by “values” or “personalities” and scandal. This kind of thought sees the marketing and the policies as separate.
They will happily sell insane policies with “commons sense” values.
One thing I tried that I think worked quite well, was to wear a suit handing out policy material instead of my usual clothes.
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re the social vs environmental: of course they are inextricably linked. But the Greens are not just another leftist party. They’re the Greens. Focus on that.
Meanwhile: RedGreen, the Greens are already doing very well in the student vote.
That doesn’t mean complacency is good, but it’s _other_ votes they need to mobilize: a slow and steady campaign over the next couple of years focussed on elderly voters might pay off, especially a focus on public transport, decent health, etc. Though I admit that I don’t understand what criteria elderly voters are choosing on: NZ First voters, in particular, just make no sense to me.
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Icehawk:
Yes the Greens are doing relatively well in the student vote. But we aren’t doing too well in the working-class vote, much of which goes to Labour.
As to my comment re. social and environmental policies, it was in reply to ajw. The fact that they are, as you put it, “inextricably linked” is actually even more reason to emphasis our social policies AS FERVENTLY AS our environmental policies – not more, not less.
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Ditto on the billboards – they were terrible.
One thing that went against the Greens this time was tactical voting (I think) from people who quite liked the Greens but wanted to put Labour ahead of National (significant as per Winston and Dunderhead’s pre-election claims to support the largest parties). Likewise, tactical voting by people who were afraid that the Greens wouldn’t make 5 percent. Still the Greens managed this pretty well (or, at lest, better than the other parties).
Other than that, the Greens operate in an unfair media environment which constantly (and subtly) portrays them as more radical than they are. As part of a broader strategy the Greens might consider just how New Zealand as a whole might benefit if it had some more left-leaning, media voices. (Imagine an independent left leaning paper like the Guardian…)
Finally, the dramatic rise of the Labour Party in the 30s was accompanied by a grassroots mobilisation effort (the organic growth of the unions). I, personally, can’t think of any leftwing party (the world over) which hasn’t got into power without something equivalent taking place. I would imagine that – if the Greens would like to become a major party – they would need to pull off something along these lines. I’m not suggesting that this would be easy; in fact, I haven’t got the faintest idea what it would actually, in this case, involve – but I do imagine that it would be a pre-requisite.
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The Greens needs to take pragmatic view towards the ‘whole Nandor thing’. I think Nandor was [seen to be] manifested in all spheres of the party. Yes, some were able to relate to his personal beliefs, attracted to his material ‘alternative’ image, warmed to his friendly manner, and his particular bandwagons, however, the time has come for the greens to change and move in the direction of the German Green Party. I think there is evidence of this occurring in the party and election result will act as a further stimulus.
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trotter is right on the money when he talks of the collapse of the auckland organisation compared to ’99 and ’02…
this is mainly down to the auckland party leadership over most of that time treating the job/role as a personal vehicle for his advancement…
(it didn’t work..we heard the screams and curses from the waitakeres to the waitemata when he was rewarded with a far lower place on the party list than he feels he deserves..)
combined with no attempt at party building..and with monthly meetings being dire exercises in top down managment..meaning a totally passive audience forced/expected to endure a dictated agenda…that was always rushed through with tones of impatience and “we gotta get outta here’ by said party leadership…(with no interaction/attention paid to the ‘audience’..)
people/punters would put up with maybe two of those..three at a stretch..then you’d (quite understandably) never see them again…
there has been absolutely no attempt at using social glue to forge relationships/evaluate skills(!)/build the party in auckland..
(as an aside…and an example of this arrogance…despite repeated requests from vegetarian/vegan greens to desist..any auckland green function is marked by a bbbq roasting sausages and bacon etc(with the attendant stench)..despite being told how offensive these smells are and asked that if they must have meat all the time could they maybe have pre-prepared meat..they/he laugh at such requests..saying they have vegetarian sausages(to be cooked on the same bbq..does just that indicate the degree of ignorance/arrogance..?))..so what are we complaining about…)
greens from other parts of the country may be surprised that we in auckland don’t have to just endure the traffic/pollution…we also have to put up with this shit from umreconstructed opportunistic arrogant carnivores..aarrgghh!!..our auckland party leadership..)
the party leaders..(donald..fitzsimons).also take some responsibility for resolutely ignoring auckland between elections….they should both be working this town..and sometimes turning up at those monthly meetings..eh…?
as for that really dire election campaign run by the greens..(you’re kneck and kneck with labour in the lame-stakes)….i’ll get back to you on that….
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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I guess they wouldn’t be the Greens without their social policy, and they are linked… But in some ways, so much of what the Greens stand for is so conservative, and I just wonder if some people on the other end of the spectrum would better see that if they weren’t being stumbled by other factors. But having said that, I think people choose to get stumbled, so it would probably be a waste of time. Like the drug thing for example – I think Nandor’s bill was pretty responsible, but heard other people saying he wanted to legalise general drug use, and they were quite happy to accept the rumours wihtout ever checking the facts.
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I agree with Phil that barbecues are not appropriate at official Green party gatherings. Apart from being offensive, they are against Green Party policy, which explicitly opposes rearing pigs in sow stalls and farrowing crates. And it is not possible to know whether pork products have come from free range or factory produced pigs unless they are certified organic.
Furthermore, meat eating in general violates all the 4 principles of the Green Party.
1. Ecological wisdom. Meat is very wasteful of planetary resources.
2. Non -violence: Slaughterhouses are very violent. Carelessness and deliberate torture are common place. Human workers are also not treated much better than the animals.
3. Social justice. Meat addiction has been linked to deforestation and marginalisation of peasant farmers overseas
4. Appropriate decision making. Why does the pig not get any say into whether he or she should be made into sausages?
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Consider this, Greens got 120,521 votes. In ‘direct marketing’, a 1% ‘conversion’ rate to sales, is about average.
So, Greens should have had 1,205 active ‘sales’ campaigners [delivering leaflets, organizing raffles, waving banners, putting up billboards etc] nationwide. Did we?
Wellington Central would have had 65 ‘sales’ people on the road, Mangere would have 5. Did the former punch above its weight, or was the latter, as Trotter suggests, part of the Auckland party support collapse?
In 1975, the Values Party [our heritage] got 5.3% of the popular vote. Here we are, 30 years later, and still stuck in that 70′s groove of 5.3%.
The world is spinning, spinning, spinning, but in circles for us.
Think – all that effort, all the money, the hours, the passsion, just to end up where we started, apart from more grey hairs, less hair, and wrinkles:)
What are the key factors behind our top 5 electorates delivering 20% of our total vote? The top 10 electorates producing 32% of our total vote?
Seems we have some [inherent?] strengths in some places that need to be replicated elsewhere pretty darned quickly.
The whole party structure, policy development, relations with business, relations with the meda, candidate criteria, and much more needs to be stood on its head. It’s clearly failed to deliver results for 30 years and is in need of an extreme makeover.
Our core brand, our integrity, our principles and our passions are not in question. How we communicate these, how we persuade voters to choose our brand over alternatives, is really a Marketing 101 case study. It’s not difficult.
It does need a cleanout of many party positions though. Nandor and Mike were cleaned out by the voter as examples to make it easier for us. There is a mood for change within the party now, and many of us don’t wish to wait another 30 years to find the Greens still at 5.3%.
‘The time has come’ said The Walrus.
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Humm… taking my partisan hat off for a moment, I do have to wonder whether you guys really got hurt by not differentiating yourselves clearly enough from Labour. I know you didn’t want a repeat of the toxic waste spill that was the 2002 campaign, and this is the perennial Catch-22 for any minor party that isn’t pseudo-’centerist’.
There’s got to be some middle ground between ‘we can work with Labour’ and (it seemed to me) obscuring your own kaupapa to avoid drawing return fire from Helen Clark. To be stone cold about it, Labour had no qualms about cannibalising your support in the last two weeks when the polls got tight. It just worked for Labour; it was almost fatal for the Greens.
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It may still be fatal for the greens if they end up the “token” cabinet ministers arts, womens afairs, disarmament…allowed into the fold to listen and behave.
The Greens openly endorsed a labour led coalition and deserve more than I feel they will get.
Big no no with voters was drugs, anti car scare tactics by business and the propaganda by the brethren fringe.
Turn off here locally was a newspaper picture of Rod up to his arms in worm cast compost on a local visit. Boring…seen it before. Better to aim at local TV, polytechs etc…ie social issues….and I am an organic grower.
I don’t want to be seen as a warm fuzzy back to nature yokel…I prefer to be seen as a leftist realist supporting the needy..not the greedy.
More strong on the political front, less strong on the unwinnable issues of less prisons, decriminalzation of dope etc and there may be a chance.
Billboards sucked. Green on a white background works…reverse is impossible to read. Cut the pics and 50% of the message. All it really needs is …VOTE GREENS…
Most greens have some IT knowledge and access to a PC. It isn’t utilized. Pamphlets can be downloaded , produced and distributed within 24 hours if a network of PC users is used. We could have been up and running almost immediately against the Brethren Pamphlet Drop.
The next election will the decider….Labour will still be in parliament and National…decisions made now will be the major factor whether the Greens will be.
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RedGreen: “Yes the Greens are doing relatively well in the student vote. But we aren’t doing too well in the working-class vote, much of which goes to Labour.”
And much of which goes to National, though it’s really hard to tell.
Hmmm. Schools are rated by decile, and most schools are polling booths. I wonder what kinda demographic data you could get out of that analysis… ..wonder if there’s enough data online for me to do that analysis…
But back on topic: no, it doesn’t mean you should push the social policy as hard as the env policy. But here I’m arguing from beliefs instead of from hard data. I believe that the Green’s environmental policies are more popular than the Green’s social policies, and that (eg) getting the Greens energy policy adopted is more important than decriminalising marijuana.
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Icehawk:
You say that “I believe that the Green’s environmental policies are more popular than the Green’s social policies, and that (eg) getting the Greens energy policy adopted is more important than decriminalising marijuana.”
Well, a number of things can be said about this:
1) Whether or not the Greens’ environmental policies are more popular than its social policies (and otherwise) is a moot point. It’s also a subjective matter. My experiences around campus is that both have equal appeal.
In fact, I’d say the social policies have MORE appeal. I spoke to a number of students at the start of this year who said that they didn’t vote Green in 2002 because of the over-emphasis on environmental policy. Also, a substantial proportion of the current Campus Greens have social justice leanings; in fact ALL the environmental-leaning Campus Greens that were associated with the group during 2002/2003 left to pursue environmental-only ends. This to me shows that they were in it only for PART of what the Greens stand for.
I myself joined the Greens in 2002 because of its social policies. It was the image of the Greens as predominantly environmentalist that actually put me off initially. Should the Greens cease to emphasise on its social policies, I, like a good many others, will become disillusioned.
We mustn’t forget that ecological wisdom is only ONE of the four founding principles of the Green Party, of which social justice is another.
2) You imply that decriminalising cannabis is a social justice issue (I’m taking you mean ‘human rights’). It is actually much more than that. It’s also a health issue and a criminal justice issue (and criminal justice cuts across all levels).
That said, there is legitimacy in your underlying claim that we should prioritise our policies. In that respect, don’t you think that tackling child poverty is a little more crucial than saving some albatrosses? (I have provided this analogy many times before, so for whoever has heard this before – my apologies.)
Also, let me draw your attention to an oft-repeated slogan during the campaign: “95% of our lowland rivers are polluted. The Green Party is committed to cleaning them up.” Yes, but how? And when? It’s a little vague, is it not?
And the recent Green Times: The article ‘Saving our Oceans’ (which, once again, is rather vague) was placed at the front. This is a true story, so let me recount it: When we were distributing it around the student residences, nobody – I repeat, NOBODY – took an interest in the newspaper. We then placed the insert – relating to public transport solutions in Auckland – on the front, and these SAME people started to take an interest. (A group of 8 of us was ‘camped’ outside the cafeteria as students filed past for the designated meal times. We then approached these same people as they trooped past us, having finished their dinner.) So I don’t agree with the blanket claim that environmental policies are resoundingly more popular than our non-environmental policies. If anything, the reverse is true.
In any case, it’s about reaching the RIGHT TARGET AUDIENCE. Environmental issues certainly strike a chord with a certain portion of the population, but for others, it’s the social and other objectives of the Greens that have real resonance for them.
That’s why we have to present the Green platform as a holistic package. By isolating one policyfrom the other, or trumpeting one over the other, we alienate certain demographics of the population.
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frog..i just read the full story by trotter….and you have missed out the key part of that story..it is about the vacuum on the left…which is not being filled by the greens…and trotter makes this prescient observation..
“Politics – like nature – abhors a vacuum. So, while the Greens are busy breaking organic bread with the representatives of big business, they might be wise to keep at least one eye on what is stirring in the streets below..”
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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It’s great to see so many people raises issues of our campaign and how we can raise our support. Let’s make sure that we keep this up for the next three years. I reckon the next election is gonna be waaaaay harder for Greens and for the rest of the left too.
And maybe some of you who reckon Nandor and his image do us harm with potential voters are right…. but I think we might find that not having him in parliament is going to be one more little thing that makes it harder for us. Let’s see eh?
Here’s some of my thoughts about the campaign….
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I am concerned that the message PARTY VOTE GREEN did not get through to our possible supporters as successfully as perhaps it could have. There are of course probably many reasons for this but one small but important part of getting this simple message across should have been our hoardings.
I was a little involved in coordinating the erection of these around the Auckland district so many people I spoke with during the campaign gave me their comments on the design of our hoardings. From the feedback I had, their design was almost completely ineffective in transmitting the message PARTY VOTE GREEN. There were too many different designs, which caused confusion. The messages were far too complex for a billboard and there was far too much text on them all. The crucial information PARTY VOTE GREEN was tiny and not clear. The pictures were not really visible. The ideas conveyed seemed too negative and outlined problems rather than solutions (although I think we shouldn’t be trying to convey these messages by hoardings anyway).
In too many electorates our candidate received more votes than our party. This should not happen if our supporters understand the electoral system. For example, anyone who voted for Nandor in Auckland Central should have known that it was beyond the bounds of possibility for him to win the seat. If they wanted him in parliament (which presumably they did since they voted for him) then they should have supported the Green Party. 552 more people voted for Nandor than voted Green in this electorate. That’s getting towards half the number of party votes we needed to get Nandor back in parliament.
By way of example, here’s the differences between candidate support and Green Party votes in the seats of our sitting MPs (prior to the election):
Nandor Tanczos in Auckland Central 5,327 Green Party Vote 4,775 Difference +552
Jeanette Fitzsimons in Coromandel 5,554 Green Party Vote 2,713 Difference +2841
Rod Donald in Banks Peninsula 4,542 Green Party Vote 4,255 Difference +287
Sue Bradford in Northland 2,764 Green Party Vote 2,000 Difference +764
Sue Kedgley in Wellington Central 3,737 Green Party Vote 6,530 Difference -2,793
Mike Ward in Nelson 4,269 Green Party Vote 2,848 +1,421
Keith Locke in Epsom 1,513 Green Party Vote 1,941 Difference -428
Metiria Turei in Te Tai Tonga 2,296 Green Party Vote 1,283 +1,013
There are two exceptions, but I think these prove the problem. In Epsom, the politically astute left-leaning voter would have supported Richard Worth to try to prevent ACT returning to parliament and I would argue that is why Keith’s support was lower than the Green Party Vote there.
Wellington Central is often thought of as the most politically astute electorate in the country. If these voters didn’t know how to vote strategically there would be little hope for our democracy. And it can be seen that the Green voters here were no exception to that. The support for Kedgley was strong, but most Green supporters knew that it was the party vote that had to be given to Green to get her back in parliament and over six and half thousand of them voted Green! Well done Wellington Greens!
This pattern seems only to be a problem in seats where the candidate is high profile (an existing MP). This stands to reason, but I suggest that these candidates are doing a great job of building support for the Green vision (as can be shown by the amount of support they are receiving – Metiria did a stunning job and got 2,296 votes in a seat that was experiencing the Maaori Party versus Labour Party battle) but we are failing to communicate the PARTY VOTE GREEN message to our support base.
I think that the hoardings were part of this problem. They could have been used in one or two ways. Firstly, to simply plug the very plain message of PARTY VOTE GREEN in an unadulterated fashion. We are not trying to win the prize of most unusual design or most original design or most aesthetically pleasing design (not that our 2005 hoardings were in the running for these awards anyway – Winston and National would have trounced us in some of these)…. We are just trying to maximise our party vote.
Secondly, we might use some like “Want Metiria in parliament? PARTY VOTE GREEN?, “Like Locke in the House? PARTY VOTE GREEN?. A photo of Nandor and “Give Labour some Flavour, PARTY VOTE GREEN? Even outside their electorates perhaps.
Well that was a long blah blah…..
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good post brodie..you are 100% correct that we aren’t getting that party vote green message across….and we have a history of this voting pattern…so..either the message isn’t getting through..or a hell of a lot of green voters are irredeeemably thick…..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Course, my understanding is that the Greens got more Party votes over all than Electorate votes. So the Party Vote Green message must have got across better than the average Party Vote X message. Though that’s probably true of most minor parties.
On MPs getting too many Personal votes – or not converting them into Party votes – yeah, it’s an issue, but I suspect it’s far from a Green only issue. Haven’t looked at it in any depth – but have just looked up Ron Mark and Marc Alexander and they both show the same split.
Suspect that’s a difficulty of being a recognisable face representing a minor Party – don’t know whether the Greens are better or worse than other minors for that split but any real analysis would have to make and evaluate such comparisons if you really want to get an idea of how well or badly the Greens / Green MPs performed.
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It is a shame when an opportunity for intelligent debate over the election campaign is used by people to advance a personal vendetta against members of the province. “Phil u? in his vitriolic diatribe over the Auckland Leadership and it’s use “as a personal vehicle for his advancement? does nothing to highlight the issues that exist in Auckland. And as the ‘him’ Phil Ure refers to, I am happy to step aside as Provincial coco if the membership feels that the 10 hours or so a week I have put into the party over that last four years or so is merely for my own selfish reasons. Otherwise I suggest that a more constructive approach would be to stop shouting at everyone from the sidelines and get active and support the group of people who are in the office, organizing events, meetings, membership drives and campaign launches. Maybe people would even consider standing for these roles to allow some of us to contribute in other ways. Until then I suppose, the team volunteering in the secretariat are all you got! God knows that this is one of the reason’s Auckland seems to fall over. I agree we need to capacity build, that we need to solidify the working base in Auckland. But we are also a volunteer organisation that relies on people giving up their time and energy and family to do the work. All this talk of Auckland ‘failing’ (even though we were responsible for a very successful national launch and TV closing) highlights a national issue. With 1/3 of electorates this far north, it would be wise for the party to consider the location of the party development coordinator to be based here. Why not focus the resources in the area that appears to need it.
I personally know of at least a hundred people in Auckland who braved wet weather, long days and nights, weekends away from family and hours on the phone to make the campaign a success. And we held our vote. Thank you to all those people. I am sure many of you around the country contributed just as much. The issue in Auckland is that we have similar activists to many other provinces but cover 19 electorates. While some did not have candidates, people such as Paul Q covered his own electorate as well as others.
The fact is we didn’t lose the election on billboards or literature or how many candidates we had where, in fact we didn’t lose. We held our core 5% when it seemed it might run to Labour (many don’t still understand MMP. Rather than speculating whether they are thick or not, maybe some suggestions on how to communicate to them – Phil?) and we should be thankful for that. Unlike other parties we don’t have an electorate seat to fall back on. My brief comments both answering above and suggestions would be:
1. Run a two tick campaign somewhere winnable and focus on how that could work
2. Use smaller billboards with simple, straight forward messages that are not confused by graphics
3. Use technology to communicate with our younger party members
4. Listen to young greens, greens on campus and those with their ears to the ground with our key support to hear what it is they have to say. In order to do that we also have to engage them and keep them interested.
5. Start using the media rather than the media using us.
6. Recognise that environment and social justice go together and work towards communicating that effectively to both members, the media and outsiders
The constructive comments I have heard so far on better campaigns should be fed into the official evaluation process so it can be used in the future.
And in regards to BBQ’s in Auckland (as much as I feel there are more pressing issues), some points:
1. I am not personally responsible for meat being at Green party functions in Auckland and no amount of late night abusive phone calls will change that
2. We are a party of diversity and need to respect all people’s rights. Just because people don’t agree with you it does not make it wrong – we just stand in a different place
3. Along with the fantastic vegan food at the election night party, omnivores were catered for. This was a collective decision recognizing that alcohol would be drunk and we had to be responsible hosts. These sausages were organised by a vegetarian member of the secretariat
4. A remit in Auckland was proposed for the last AGM to make all Green Party official meets and function vegan. This was not supported by the province. I did not single handedly have this defeated and in fact was not even at the meeting.
5. Catering should not really take up so much energy. I am sure there are other issues that deserve such a vitriolic reaction.
I hope this answers some questions raised in this thread.
Richard Green
Provincial Co-convener
Auckland Province
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[frog here, okay, I'm letting this through as is because its a reply to an *old* post, however I reiterate my previous request for personal criticism of non-public figures to be calmed down]
um..i’ve just seen this for the first time..and would call for a right of reply….(as i feature heavily..:)
‘.. to advance a personal vendetta against members of the province. “Phil u? in his vitriolic diatribe over the Auckland Leadership..’
this is incorrect….i am criticising practises and outcomes….and mores..to suggest it is “all about you” is gobsmackingly disengenuous….
and which ‘members’ have i got ‘vendettas’ about/over….i’m scratching my head here….
(you aren’t confusing disagreement with practises/outcomes/and mores with personal vendettas are you ..richard….btw..this is a very serious charge to make against someone…..can i repeat richard..”i do not hold grudges..”..i can violently disagree with someone over some idea or whatever..and smile at them the next day ..and mean it..)
“..I suggest that a more constructive approach would be to stop shouting at everyone from the sidelines and get active and support the group of people who are in the office, organizing events, meetings, membership drives and campaign launches…”
now this is cute….have you forgotten richard..i tried to do that…you told me i wasn’t welcome..that i “made people uncomfortable’…but refused to tell me who…
at the time ..rather than make a fuss/disrupt energies..i left….
“.. Rather than speculating whether they are thick or not, maybe some suggestions on how to communicate to them – Phil?..”
(see above..)
“… I am not personally responsible for meat being at Green party functions in Auckland and no amount of late night abusive phone calls will change that..”..
richard..i would like you to clarify i have never made late night abusive phone calls about meat to you….it would be easy to infer from the context of this that it is me you are talking about….please clear up this possible misunderstanding….
“..3. Along with the fantastic vegan food at the election night party, omnivores were catered for…”
could i just point out again that bbq ing meat is perhaps the most ‘in yer face’ odiferous way of preparing meat….
i repeat…if it is deemed people cannot go a meal without meat could at the very least that meat be pre-prepared…?.so those offended by these practices are impinged upon least of all….
the smells and clouds of smoke are really offensive to so many people….
(and your argument of tolerance for meat eaters as a rationale..is… well..shall we be charitable and say ‘suspect’..?…would you invite muslims and then go out of your way to offend them by subjecting them to the smells and smoke of pork cooking..?..i don’t think so….
why then no respect for the often deeply held (often with spiritual/religous foundations/practises) beliefs of vegetarians/vegans…?
and as we have hopes for the greens to become more of a culturally/racially open political party….you could well ponder the fact that your practises offend vegos/vegans/hindus/muslims…?…why go there…?
if the greens as a practice only served really good vegan food…word of this would spread amongst those cultures…and you need never fear offending..(in fact you will be making welcome)..all races and cultures into the green party….is this not what we want..?
why do you insist on not considering these matters as having any substance..?
and in clinging to this american marketing/angle-saxon/ homage to primitive blokey rituals…the bbq..
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4. A remit in Auckland was proposed for the last AGM to make all Green Party official meets and function vegan. This was not supported by the province. I did not single handedly have this defeated and in fact was not even at the meeting…”
cor..disingenuous….are you telling us richard…that you did not actively campaign against that idea even being taken to agm….whoar..!..um…you wouldn’t like to restate that would you….?
and the remit was heard an an outpost green meeting in papakura(sth ak)..?..(an area thick in vegos…eh..?..but nothing planned about that ..eh..?)
i think we might need to breath some new life into that remit….for the reasons i have already outlaid…
(it would be interesting to hear what others think about the cultural openess arguments..etc..)
thank you for the right of reply..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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[frog here, have edited this comment, RedGreen please contact me directly]
Phil,
On the presence of meat at a function, let me say this:
THE GREEN PARTY IS NOT A VEGAN PARTY. Period.
Yes, there are many members who are vegan and vegetarian. Equally, however, there are members who are omnivores. You mention on one hand the need for respect for different beliefs, practices and choices, then champion the remit to make all Green functions and events vegan-only affairs. Not once have omnivores BARRED vegan and vegetarian food at these events, yet you argue for a ban on omnivorous food at these same functions. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me.
Besides, the Green Party is not a vegan/vegetarian party. The Green Party is, however, a GE Free party. So if non-organic food or food laced with GE material had been served, then your criticisms would be – to an extent – justified, on grounds of ‘breaching the party’s principles’. But the Greens don’t assert veganism or vegetarianism as a party practice/belief/doctrine, so omnivorous Green member have every right to practice their beliefs, just as vegans and vegetarians do.
That’s why there is a mix of vegan, vego and omni food at all Green functions – to REFLECT THE DIVERSITY of palates, diets, practices and beliefs of all members.
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phil u and sckspr (and poor old Frog-in-the-middle),
I don’t participate in frogblog to be subjected to the petty fighting of a group of people from one area.
Surely you could arrange a cooling off period to be followed by well facilitated “green” meeting to sort out your differences, and (more importantly) to find ways that you both can work for the good of the Greens without “rubbing each other up the wrong way”. Your personal animosity is nothing to do with those of us who are from outside of Auckland (… and possibly most of those within Auckland!)
As a member of the Aoraki Greens, I ask you to put your personal squabbles away … especially at this time :
In our part of Aotearoa we are still in shock and grief. Rod Donald’s loss had made a hole in our lives that will be very hard to fill. I, personally, have known, admired, and worked with Rod Donald for thirty two years (on and off) and that personal loss is NOTHING compared to his loss to the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand.
I came back to frogblog at this time for the solace of Green thinging and Green behaviour …
I hope you both feel ashamed!
eredwen
(with tears streaming down her face!)
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Eredwen, you might like to note that shkspr’s comment is over a month old.
Harsh call, even in your grief.
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[frog here, I've edited this to reduce friction]
eredwen..the timing of this was not planned….and as i have told frog….as far as i am concerned..it has been said…
and in a plea of mitigation i would like to note that the successes and failures of the auckland branch of the green party are very much the concern of every green in new zealand….
as noted before i will now be participating fully in the workings/decisions of the auckland greens…(cheering news for some..no doubt..:)
i am sorry that you are upset..and apologise for my part in that…but as per the above that i responded to…i had too…there were matters i had to refute..
the decks are cleared now eredwen…and we can all move forward….fighting for what we want….
best wishes
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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[frog here, have changed real name to username to protect identities and edited to reduce friction]
Indeed, Pip.
sckspr made his comments over a month ago, well before the passing of Rod. For whatever reason, phil u. only made his reply after Rod’s passing. Accordingly, if anything, it’s phil who has resurrected the issue, in spite of the developments/circumstances in the party.
In any case, this ‘saga’ has nothing to do with Rod’s passing.
Also, note that sckspr is not replying to any more of phil’s posts. He is staying out of it.
I’m posting in defence of sckspr as I feel certain matters need to be cleared up, and that his name needs to be vindicated in his absence.
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Pip:
No I didn’t see that “shkspr’s comment is over a month old”, and I don’t doubt he had a case to make. (How did it get into a column dated Wed Oct 5th, 2005. 9:25 am?)
I believe this Aotearoa-and-wider forum is an inappropriate place for local internal-organisational disputes to be followed through, however heartfelt. There are other ways of communicating, and face to face would seem to be the most appropriate, and easily arranged in this case!
I guess I just got caught in the flack … and , “No” I don’t believe mine was a “harsh call”.
I could replace the word “petty” with “in-” and the word “squabbles” with “differences”, as they are less emotive.
Please help these characters to sort this out (and let us all know when it’s done!)
Kia ora!
Kathleen
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sckspr, phil u, RedGreen, Pip,
(and dear old Friction-lessening Frog!)
Sckspr:
I appologise for including your (much earlier!) post in my homily.
Best wishes for a smootly running Auckland …
phil u:
We in the South Island are frequently reminded that Auckland is the most populous city in Aotearoa! However, you guys have to sort things out for yourselves, unless you collectively ask for others to help, which might be a VERY good idea … a fresh eye on old problems …
I’m glad “the decks are cleared now” but I sincerely hope you won’t be “fighting” for what you want. (Aoraki Province is one good model of cooperative thinking and working well together … and finding the right niche for each person … and there are some excellent facilitators available from within the Party in various parts of Aotearoa, etc etc.)
RedGreen and Pip:
Thanks for your input
AND best wishes to you all!
eredwen
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kiore1 Says: (October 5th, 2005 at 11:06 am):
“Time and time again at electorate meetings, I got sympathetic nods when I mentioned the Green Party policies on healthy foods, public transport, the environment, not becoming another Louisiana, and all the sensible type policies. However, someone would then raise the issue of marijuana and it would all turn to custard, and friendliness would suddenly turn to hostility.”
In many ways this is a nutshell of the greens-cannabis dilemma. It is arguable cannabis prohibition is actually the Greens BIGGEST problem. You have three options. Option a. drop cannabis reform (unprincipled, cowardly). Option b. continue to equivocate. Option c. GET YOUR TEETH INTO IT.
When the issue is front-footed, advocates have the upper hand (which is why the ALCP is useful because they dont have such a hang up about fronting the issue). When avoiding the issue (eg greens campaign pamphelts, broadcasts, candidates meetings), you are left vulnerable to the hostility factor.
I have noted this cannabis insecurity escalate amongst the Greens, pretty much from the moment they were elected en masse, thanks to cannabis, in 1999 (anyone remember the glaring omission from Nandor’s maiden speech?).
Get over it. Prohibiton utterly ill serves the community (social injustice, law and disorder) – and the environment (hemp denial). Community and enviornent go hand in hand indeed – ‘socio-environmentalism’ is how Greenboy aptly described it above (I call it social ecology)
the real classic case of greens ‘backfooting’ cannabis to their ongoing detriment was the 2002 campaign where the silence was broken by teh worm tamer Dunne saying ‘we need to take a decisive stance against decriminalisation.’ Slam Dunk (law review that was in progress effectively scuttled)
Today we have the announcement that nandor won’t front cannabis law reform, instead Metiria will handle it. Fine, we know that dreadlocks have become an ‘image’ problem. Except prohibitoin intrinsically afftects greens social policy (justice), enviroment (hemp) (both Nandor portfolios ironically), and the party in general (as in Kiore1s public meetings). Cannabis is not a single issue, an in some respects it is dumb to have drug policy singled out when it is really part of law and order, justice, health and environment…
You’ve got to jump on top of prohibitoin, Greenies. Winning the debate (and beating Shipley) was a vote winner in 99 and will be again. Getting scared about advocating sane and equitable policy reform is detrimental to your credibility.
Kiore1 also mentioned making drug policy a conscience issue. Oh dear – thats how Helen and labour have managed to avoid having a principled drug policy. Bad one. Laws should work, they should be cost-effective, and peoples rights should not unreasonably impinge on others. – fully decriminalising is a principled, and even conservative intervention.
nothing to be afraid of.
As i said another time or two, cannabis is not hurting the greens. backfooting it is what makes you vulnerable, and YOUVE GOT TO GET OUT OF THIS HOLE. I really want to see the Greens do well (and that wont happen if the weed remains on hte back burner).
Prohibiton utterly ill serves community and environment. let’s Kill the beast.
- kind regards, Weedeater
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I don’t share weedeater’s view that bowing out of the cannibis issue would be cowardly, sometimes we have to pick our battles and live to fight another day. It is not as if cannibis is a core issue.
But I do agree that if we decide not to retreat, then we must attack. At the moment we are doing neither and that is costing us votes and morale. We need to become more pro-active in explaining what our policy is, what it is not, and before the next election giving our candidates training in how to handle difficult questions.
I am glad Nandor is back in Parliament as I value his intelligence and ability to grasp a number of issues, not just drugs. I am also glad he has decided not to be spokesperson for drugs. If we are serious in our stance that it is a health issue, not a criminal issue then we should act on that belief and make sure the issue is handled by a health spokesperson not a justice spokesperson.
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ki ora kiore1!
but what i am saying, is that cannabis IS a core issue. there is hardly a more toxic social policy than to criminalise a non-crime (committed by some half a million kiwis) and feed criminality and corruption, prejudice and alienation in the process – and saturate NZ with hypocrisy and division…. (and be denied the very good seed, and medicine, and hemp fibre for biofuel, plastic, paper, and the opportunity to live in harmony with this remarkable plant).
you see prohibition is quite insidious and repressive. that to me is not only ‘core’, but ‘critical’ to boot. The system is dangerously of balance, socially and environmentally, because of this one self-sustaining law.
I was also saying that cannabis policy is cross-spectrum. not just health, not just justice, not just law and order. environmental too, particularly when we include the hemp potential. It has never ceased to dismay me for example how Keith Locke (law and order/police/foreign policy) has never quite managed to link in the dysfunctional war on cannabis to his portfolios. Ok maybe once in relation to new ‘war on terror’ interceptions.
you name just about any ‘green’ issue and i reckon I can find a cannabis angle on it – if not a remedy. (Hmm maybe the greens should be working a bit more closely with the ALCP…then that lot wont be treading on yer votes -oops!)
re the public hostility – suggest getting in first when listing green policies always include drug policy… matter of factly explaining that prohibition does not work and presents a dangerous double standard with respect to alchol and tobacco. Point out that NZ has the highest youth uptake in hte world and tell the audience that there is no justification for convicting 20,000 kiwis a year, costing hundreds of millions of dollars, when the law protects no one…point out that we’re missing out on beneficial uses of the plant too…say ‘were not promoting drug use, just trying to fix a very bad law’.
(unfortunatly the instant fine approach isnt really a solution here, but …)
Breaking the taboo and public misconception on this issue would really be a major Green breakthrough. I am sure Chris Trotter would agree too, given what i’ve seen of his recent commentary about cannabis reform. (hope you are listening Russel Norman)
sorry to bleat on about this issue with another excessivly long posting
weedeater
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