36 thoughts on “General debate, November 14, 2012

  1. Thank you :-) Perhaps I should send you mail off the blog instead? ? This way is sort of amusing, but you are correct. The shouting isn’t as effective as the repetition :-)

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  2. Dear frog, please let me know if you don’t like all the links? I’d hate to think it’s somehow influencing the slow delivery in general threads.

    Bloggers are voters too

    In my opinion, the Labour party needs to embrace social media en masse. Look at the respect gained for Labour politicians who have actually made the effort to engage with the public on forums such as The Standard. Look at how effective the Obama campaign was through its use of social media. Look at how well the Greens utilize social media to reach people with similar beliefs. They clearly work with their activists, not against them, and that’s political strength money usually can’t buy…

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  3. When you said they samiam, I immediately thought of aliens… Little green aliens driving around in planets to eclipse the sun and plunge the earth into darkness. I guess resource consent for that would take a very long time.

    David Farrar hates Home Brew

    Music has always been the voice of the people and Home Brew Crew, like many artists before them, are simply expressing what many young New Zealanders believe.

    [...]

    There is no question that funding allocation should be made in an unbiased way to ensure growth in productive areas. Inhibiting potential growth just because of political opinion is quite frankly nuts!

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  4. Yeah, sam, but who put them up to it?
    I see a smirk 142 980kms wide across Jupiter’s face!

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  5. ERM WOW

    from http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/11/are-we-overselling-public-transit.html

    [Consider] autos with but one passenger and compare them to transit vehicles in which every seat is full. But in the real world, this is emphatically not the case. At any given time, the average auto has somewhere around 1.6 passengers, and the average (typically 40-seat) bus has only about 10. Rail vehicles typically have more passengers (on average about 25), but then again they are also typically much larger. Thus their average load factor (percentage of seats filled) is also not high, at about 46 percent for heavy rail systems (think major cities) and about 24 percent for light rail (think systems that mostly run at street level).

    It is not clear that moving around large and largely empty vehicles is much of an improvement over moving around smaller ones. In fact, it may be worse. According to the Department of Energy’s Transportation Energy Data Book, in 2010 transporting each passenger one mile by car required 3447 BTUs of energy. Transporting each passenger a mile by bus required 4118 BTUs, surprisingly making bus transit less green by this metric.

    RAW DATA can be found at :-
    see http://cta.ornl.gov/data/chapter2.shtml

    perhaps a campaign to ban cars greater than 1000cc and busses would make the most sense?

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  6. Interesting stats there dave stringer. I guess councils and the government should look at light rail and smaller buses with incentives for car pooling.

    National to fund electric cars?

    Of course this is just more National party propaganda with the government actually doing nothing in the way of protection our environment…

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  7. perhaps a campaign to ban cars greater than 1000cc and buses would make the most sense?

    Motorbikes for all!

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  8. Thou shalt not kill

    The potential for this conflict to escalate even further is there, with the Israelis calling up 30,000 reservists and amassing troops and tanks near the Gaza border. Despite a warning from Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, Israeli rocket and airstrikes have continued unabated, entirely dwarfing the retaliatory strikes coming from Palestine for the assassination of Hamas military leader Ahmed al-Jabari…

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  9. John Keys worst performance ever

    Dismissing the Reserve Bank’s projections, dismissing Statistics New Zealand and the current unemployment rate, lies concerning youth employment, confusion about interest rates, dishonesty concerning the CGT and dismissing the growing divide between rich and poor just to mention a bit of John Keys recent disingenuous propaganda…

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  10. JAckal said :-

    Despite a warning from Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, Israeli rocket and airstrikes have continued unabated, entirely dwarfing the retaliatory strikes coming from Palestine

    Funny how, when the Israelies don’t retaliate for the dozens of bombs being hurled over their border at civilian targets no one on NZ’s left makes a big noise about it, but when they do it’s the worst possible thing and retaliation by the Palestinians shoud be encouraged and supported.

    I gues the idea of consistency doesn’t make headlines.

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  11. When is the Green Party going to announce an inquiry into the leaking of Green Party policy to the Labour Party?

    Or will it instead announce that it intends to leak further policy to the Labour party as the 2014 election looms – so that all Green party policy will be mainstream by then and thus it can become the party of government?

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  12. I have no problem at all with other parties following Green party policy.

    We are here to make NZ a genuinely better place. It does not matter who takes the policy and implements it.

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  13. dave stringer says “… the Israelies don’t retaliate for the dozens of bombs being hurled over their border ….”

    Do you mean the border between beseiged Palestine and occupied Palestine?

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  14. Something we need –

    On the right there is:

    “The Business Round Table”

    On the Left, when the press is looking for balance, they can go to the Unions, the Labour Party, Us but no overarching representative organization of the more progressive viewpoints is available.

    Organizing something like that might be a very useful thing for us all to get around to doing.

    So that when Right Wing Business talks, there is an equally authoritative representation of the other side.

    Criticism of Labour’s housing ideas coming from the Business Round Table needs to have a balanced response made available to the press in real time.

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  15. Thanks Sprout. The people who are raping this country are going to lose eventually. That the country will be largely destroyed before they do is not going to matter… because they and their ilk will be hauled into courtrooms accused of high treason, and likely convicted.

    Our PM and his owners are traitors to New Zealand AND human civilization, and they should be in jail rather than in office.

    What that says of the people who vote for this rubbish and our general understanding of what is good for us overall, is frightening.

    The education from the school of hard-knocks, Mother Nature playing the role of lecturer with a fiendishly wielded ruler, is going to be very painful.

    There is no rule against corporal punishment at that level.

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  16. Here’s a nice quote from Tony Benn (hauled off of wikipedia):

    “As a minister, I experienced the power of industrialists and bankers to get their way by use of the crudest form of economic pressure, even blackmail, against a Labour Government. Compared to this, the pressure brought to bear in industrial disputes is minuscule. This power was revealed even more clearly in 1976 when the IMF secured cuts in our public expenditure. These lessons led me to the conclusion that the UK is only superficially governed by MPs and the voters who elect them. Parliamentary democracy is, in truth, little more than a means of securing a periodical change in the management team, which is then allowed to preside over a system that remains in essence intact. If the British people were ever to ask themselves what power they truly enjoyed under our political system they would be amazed to discover how little it is, and some new Chartist agitation might be born and might quickly gather momentum”.

    Hat tip tip “Geoff” in the Standard for bringing this to my attention.

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  17. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

    Israel has in fact breached many international laws by violating the negotiated ceasefire, bombing refugee camps and killing innocent civilians. So far 130 Palestinians have been killed with another 920 injured. Many of these include woman and children. Israel has conducted over 1,450 rocket and airstrikes on Palestinian targets within the last week. Approximately five Israelis have died in retaliatory rocket strikes during the conflict so far.

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  18. Just a note relating to the “fracking” controversy. As we have pointed out often now, it is not so much the fracking as its intended product that causes the issue. The notion that the process itself provides manageable emissions and risk if done to a high standard, is arguable.

    The expectation that relying on the product will not, is not.

    http://phys.org/news/2012-11-natural-gas-leaks-boston.html

    The infrastructure and level of infrastructure maintenance necessary to contain fugitive emissions at a low level, has to be handled all the way into the end user’s heater or stove. As this shows, that requirement is difficult to achieve.

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  19. Thanks Sprout. The people who are raping this country are going to lose eventually. That the country will be largely destroyed before they do is not going to matter… because they and their ilk will be hauled into courtrooms accused of high treason, and likely convicted.

    Maori and European settlers, you mean?

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  20. “Approximately five Israelis have died in retaliatory rocket strikes during the conflict so far”

    What a pathetic joke you are. Hamas are only “retaliating” so that means they are the good guys. Yeah right. Control the language.

    Maybe if you and yours weren’t just so blindly against America and, by proxy, the countries they support, you might be able to see things without your biased eye in. Might be a bit of a shock for you though.

    Start with how many rockets have Hamas actually sent into Israel over the last few years. Finish up with how many responses that has provoked from Israel in that same time.

    Want to stop the casualties – get Hamas to stop firing the rockets. It is that simple.

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  21. Oh come off it Arana… the very next sentence identified the PM as a treasonous b*****d. You have to do better than that.

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