18 thoughts on “General debate, July 7, 2013

  1. So, perhaps there may soon be The Pakeha Party… Left wing, right wing, or no wing at all…? What if this party (if it ever really exists) got traction? What if it galvanised Maori into voting for the Mana and Maori Parties? What if Mana, Maori, and Pakeha parties together could form a coalition government?

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  2. Pakeha Party, I love it! It challenges so much of the current PC bullshit pervading society. As the guy says…It’s existence is precisely to nullify racism. It’s cleverly not a white party. That said it will inevitably attract white racists, I hope they remain vigilant to those poisonous muthafukkas.

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  3. Would go one step further and start a Ngati Tauiwi tribe. A tribe with a unified force but made up of many IWI (Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Polynesian, Dalmatian, European, etc.) and many Hapu (Manurewa Indian, North Shore African, Howick Chinese, Dunedin European, etc.)

    This new colonisation has been happening for over 180 years and as such it is time to formalise the position of Ngati Tauiwi as a distinct tribal organization.

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  4. “It’s cleverly not a white party” – how do you know this, samiam?

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  5. And I bet Peter Dunne’s ears pricked up when he heard about it.
    “A new vehicle for my Eminent Sensibleness. Praise the Lord!”

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  6. Best comment from Felix@The Standard on the (supposed) rise of the Pakeha Party:
    “Right now they’re just a couple of idiots, but what they’ve got is momentum. And while a stationary idiot is just an idiot, a rolling mass of idiocy can do a lot of damage.”

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  7. Dbuckley it doesn’t matter if the new party is left wing, right wing or no wing, it won’t fly. Especially if it is “no wing”

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  8. “If the Maori get it, we want it too! No matter WHAT it is!”

    As a twitter friend said, I look forward to seeing them fight for worse health outcomes. I think the foreshore and seabed of their freehold beach front properties should be confiscated too.

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  9. I hope the SOP banning animal experiments for legal highs gets passed. It seems it might fail just because Labour is one MP short, with the new Maori seat MP yet to be sworn in. Any chance of filibustering until she is sworn in?

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  10. @samiam 8:23 AM

    That said it will inevitably attract white racists, I hope they remain vigilant to those poisonous muthafukkas.

    From what I have seen to date, it looks like it is founded by white racists. Much like the Pauline Hanson phenomenon in Oz late last century (just wait for John Ansell to pop up as a spokesperson).

    Under MMP will be a fringe party, as never likely to get 5%. But might suck some white racist votes from Nats and NZF and waste them, which would be good.

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  11. Founded by racists?…
    “We are NOT a racist party – this party is for those who want to move on together into the future as one people. The reason it is called The Pakeha Party is because there is a Maori Party and a Mana Party who I believe are racist & create separatism.”
    And
    “This page will be moderated from now on and anything we consider racist will be removed.”

    Maybe they really are founded on a firmly anti-racial premise.
    The name is purely provocative, and has acheived EXACTLY what they intended.
    So if ‘they’ live up to their rhetoric….will The Greenz be in support???

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  12. Sprout.
    Interesting article about the tax system by Gareth Morgan, basically arguing that broad goals for the tax system should be set by Government, but the details should be designed, to meet those goals, by accountable professionals.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10895518
    The current tax system has similarities with the low trust, and run by the ignorant, model, Government wants for the education system.

    And yet another person, who actually knows something about education, shows we should take lessons from successes like Finland, and not failures like US charter, sorry! “partnership”, schools. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10896522

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  13. Hi @sprout. Re corruption, I was also really disappointed after seeing the results of that survey. Not totally surprised. Bryce Edwards posted a more comprehensive view of the results than what I’ve seen in most media to date.

    It’s should definitely ring alarm bells, but I’m also wary about taking the results of the one survey as authoritative in isolation. The same survey reports that 37% of people would be willing to “join an organisation that works to reduce corruption as an active member, and that 39% would “take part in a peaceful protest or demonstration against corruption”.

    If more than 1 million New Zealanders joined an anti-corruption organisation as active members, or decided to peacefully protest against corruption, I’d be flabbergasted. To me it just confirms that people who answer surveys don’t always respond in realistic or completely truthful ways.

    I’d like to know more about what people consider to be giving a bribe “in any form” when they respond that they’ve given a bribe. What communities are those people from? What did they actually do? Did it have a practical effect, or did it result in something that would have occurred anyway? And so on.

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  14. Mike, it was a survey of 1000 people and was mainly based on perception, however I have heard of too many stories of corrupt behaviour in Christchurch, for example, where people are resorting to bribes so that they can get progress on repairs or acquire a rental property. When the Government leaves so much to market forces we can also see certain kinds of people who take advantage of the situation. There is an interesting article in the latest Listener on Sociopaths and I could see the behavioural traits described fitting a good number of our National Ministers and business leaders. Morality and empathy for others are not common attributes for these people and the end justifies the means. The current governance style encourages corruption.

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