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Published in THE ISSUES by frog on Wed, October 5th, 2011
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General debate, October 5, 2011
Published: October 5, 2011
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This Green member does not support a coalition with National. It would be a betrayal.
I joined because the Greens have realistic ideas about our future society and economy. I do not want my Grandchildren leading blighted lives on a ruined planet, with only a few wealthy people having any rights..
Consensus among the members at one meeting does not necessarily reflect the views of all members. Most Greens are working and cannot get to AGM’s and similar.
All the Greens I know would be resigning their membership.
The Maori Moneyocracy party are heading for irrelevance because they have already sold out their voters and members.
There seems to be an infiltration of RWNJ’s lately who, like Labour in the 80′s, want to push the party into joining NACTMP as thieving sellouts.
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Auditor General Slams Treasury
A few days ago the Auditor General released her report on the way the Treasury implemented and managed the Retail Deposit Guarantee Scheme…
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Kerry’s blanket rejection of the notion of a National/Green coalition and pejorative language, combined with strawmen about only wealthy having rights and statements like “All the Greens I know would be resigning their membership” and talk of “betrayal” speaks volumes for his position as a Watermelon and a need to broaden his circle of friends. Indeed, Kerrys blinkered and bipolar positioning of ‘Watermelon’ vs “RWNJ” is fundamentally flawed, as my presence here alone testifies to: One can be economivially reponsible, condone individual rights, and envornmenatlly aware despite what Kerrys positionng would blinker him too.
This outburst of Kerry’s adds weight to his previously stated desire for the right to commute to Auckland from Whangarei by train at the expense of the quality of life of all those inbetween (and an abject rejection of the carbon cost of such a commute), and at the financial expense of these people as well.
I suggest that Kerry’s voiced prospective depature from the The Greens would be good for the The Greens, because the departure of such blinkered people as him would allow the envoirnmentalists to acheive environmenatal gains from all prosepctive coalition partners, and that Kerry’s desire to impose regulation, taxation, and the like would be more suited to those seeking some sort of ‘socialist utopia’ like the NZCP, Mana, or Socialist International.
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Here’s a quick list of policies and practices National would need to abandon to make it work. What chance?
* Massive subsidies to greenhouse gas polluters
* Funding uneconomic roading projects
* Dairy intensification
* Mining in National Parks
* Support for new coal mining proposals
* Deepwater offshore drilling
* New fossil fuel powered electricity generation
* Privatisation of energy companies
* Tax cuts that disproportionately favour the rich
* Privatisation of ACC
* Borrowing to rebuild Christchurch
* The Welfare Working Group’s recommendations
* Discrimination against beneficiaries in Working for Families
* Participating in other countries’ wars
* Unneccessary use of Parliamentary urgency
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Well done that young party.
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The wisdom behind a Green party vote:
http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.com/2011/10/greens-fill-vacuum-left-by-labour.html?spref=fb
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Dene MacKenzie Biased
I happened to read an article today entitled Key Nats’ ace; Goff sidelined, published on the Otago Daily Times website today. The fictional piece is so obviously a beat up that I’m surprised it reached publication…
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hague did well today..
http://whoar.co.nz/2011/new-zealand-parliament-list-of-questions-for-oral-answer-wednesday-5-october-2011/
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if we don’t have our revolution at the ballot-box…
..(and we are fortunate to have that option..)
..and if this group of thieves get back in…
..and carry on as promised..
..new zealand will explode in direct-action…
..how can it not..?
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Jackal says “The fictional piece is so obviously a beat up that I’m surprised it reached publication…”
Perhaps the headline that started with the word “Opinion – ” might have given you a clue that this is NOT a news item, but an opinion piece.
Or perhaps not.
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A disclaimer saying it is only opinion should be written on most newspaper and TV news items nowadays. The rest should be headed as fiction.
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Kerry says “A disclaimer saying it is only opinion should be written on most newspaper and TV news items nowadays.”
So what’s unclear whether it’s news or opinion when the headline is….
“Opinion: Key Nats’ ace; Goff sidelined”
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Actually do not have a problem with opinion pieces labeled as such.
Though I question why every, half baked, utterance from Brash is given media attention while entire policy announcements from parties other than NACT are ignored or rubbished.
So much of, what is presented as news, are really minimally researched and ignorant opinions of Journalists, or unchallenged statements from the NACT camp.
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http://whoar.co.nz/2011/can-you-build-a-house-for-less-than-a-macbook/
answer:..no..but nearly..
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The ODT added the word Opinion to the header after it was published. It was not originally there photonz1. The article should still be factual even if it is an opinion piece.
John Key is a Scumbag!
John Key showed his true colours yesterday after a young man tried to jump from the public gallery into Parliaments debating chamber. Thankfully security and members of the public caught him before he fell the five metres to the floor, which would have resulted in serious injury if not death. It is likely that the young man was trying to commit public suicide…
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Just watched Russel Norman make William English squirm! Very nice!
peace
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So when are we going to see this emergency response regarding the grounded shipping container Rena? It’s still leaking oil, birds have started to die from being covered in oil and there is no sign of another ship being available to pump the oil off.
The slick is over 2000 metres long now and there is no sign of any containment. Officials are talking about spraying the slick with dispersant most likely core exit that is highly dangerous and has been shown to have caused more problems than it solved in the Gulf of Mexico.
The vessel has at least 1700 cubic metres of heavy fuel oil onboard, as well as 70 cubic metres of marine diesel. Another report said 1700 tonnes of oil was pumped from its holed side to the other side to balance it.
It’s well over 24 hours after the accident and no sign of an effective emergency response. Just goes to show that National’s bullshit about being able to deal with an oil spill as big as the Deepwater Horizon has no basis in reality. FFS!
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Someone on the news last night who sounded like he knew what he was talking about said it was not heavy oil by lubricating oil that was escaping at the time.
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As I understand at the moment the oil was some lube oil.
It does not take much oil to look like a big slick.
Sounds like the fuel oil tanks are OK at present.
Sounds like it will be OK, so long as the ship is salvaged before we get a storm big enough to break it up. If that happens oil spill gear will be useless anyway.
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Depends on the lube oil, but dispersant s can do more harm than the oils.
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jackal says “The article should still be factual even if it is an opinion piece.”
When did you get the sudden urge to make sure opinion is factual?
I presume your concern is fake, becaus if it’s real, you’re going to have to delete half your blog site.
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A blog is not the same as an article publication photonz1… even you should know that. You’re welcome to point out where The Jackal blog is not factual? I would determine that you fail to highlight a single instance.
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“All I can say is that we have a system for repsonding to oil spills in NZ based on an assessed likelihood of a disaster of a certain size. That level is 5500 tonnes of oil spilled-a fraction of what spilled in the Gulf”
He’s obviously not prepared! Not sure how the ‘assessment’ is done. Maybe it’s we are only a small country so we would only have a small spill.
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So where is the oil spill response? Not one ship yet to clean up a huge oil spill in the Bay of Plenty yet. From the news footage it looks like the main fuel tanks have ruptured. It’s not good enough for National to ignore this and they need to act. One chopper spraying some crap over the spill to try and hide it by making it sink is not good enough.
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green party pre-final-questiontime strategy-meeting:..
voice one:..’well..it’s the final question time today…
..and we have got a pile of supplementary-questions to use up…
..we could use them for a rousing indictment of key/this govt…’
voice two:..’or…we could get gareth hughes to do a comedy-routine around the death of that happy-feet penguin…’
voice three:..’you’re right…let’s do a sorta vote..so we have a consensus..a show of hands for the penguin-routine..?’
voice one:..’that’s near enough for me…hughes’ penguin-routine it is..
..and anyway..we have worked so hard at our ‘memorandum of understanding’ with key…
..we don’t want to queer it at this late stage..’
voice two:..’happy-feet it is..’
voice one:..’shouldn’t we..?..oh..!..never mind..!..penguin it is..’
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http://whoar.co.nz/2011/14-kinds-of-jobs-sustained-by-marijuana/
“…Marijuana is one American industry that’s showing some promise in the job market.
The U.S. job market, to use a purely academic term, sucks.
A net of zero jobs were created in August.
Dismal prospects face the 25.3 million Americans who are unemployed, underemployed, or who have given up their job search —
– so could you blame any of them for calming their anxiety by smoking a bowl of their favorite bud?
Marijuana is, coincidentally, one American industry that’s showing some promise in the job market.
Currently, 16 states and Washington, D.C. have legalized cannabis for medical use.
The burgeoning medical marijuana industry is quietly creating thousands of jobs across the country — and most of them don’t require being anywhere near a cannabis plant.
There’s no exact number on how many new jobs have been created by medical cannabis nationwide.
But clues are out there.
The Web site Indeed.com, which tracks trends in online job sites, reports that job listings mentioning “medical marijuana” grew over 3,000 percent since 2005.
In Montana, one study conducted by cannabis advocacy groups reported 1,400 new jobs had been created in that state -
- and that approximately 70 percent of those workers had been previously unemployed.
In addition to helping people bring home a paycheck, the work created by medical cannabis is pumping tons of cash into state and local economies –
- through taxes and business license fees.
Here’s a list of 14 jobs available in medical cannabis:…”
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http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.com/2011/10/sinking-ship-reveals-flaw-in-energy.html
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NZ’s oil spill response gear would struggle to deal with 500 tons on a calm day.
Best to try and get the ship off in one piece.
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Prevention is the only way to avoid damage from oil spills.
The race for the bottom to have the cheapest shipping is not helping to prevent accidents. The last 12 months has had a big increase in shipping accidents.
Unfortunately, even NZ ships, which used to have high standards of crew and safety, are being forced into cutting these to compete with overseas FOC shipping on our coast.
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the ‘expert’ on nat-rad said we have in the main only booms suitable for inland waterways…anyway…
..we are indeed ill-prepared for nationals’ plans to have oil-derricks scattered around the coast..
..any ‘problem’ would fast become a mammoth fucken disaster…
..but hey..!..john key is the most popular prime minister ever..
…isn’t he..?
..and national are just going to sleepwalk to victory..
..aren’t they..?
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(this is a very cool map..)
http://whoar.co.nz/2011/map-occupy-wall-street-spreads-nationwide-updated/
“…Protests taking place beyond Manhattan:
What began as a call for Americans to gather in New York’s Financial District has given rise to like-minded actions nationwide.
Click on the dots for details from over 99 locations.
(last updated: October 6, 2:30pm PST)…”
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NZ’s got a bunch of kit but it’s not really good for big offshore spills – nothing really is. Booms and skimmers are mainly for protecting sensitive inshore areas where you can create collection points. But you need relatively calm water otherwise oil just sloshes over the top. NAture is your biggest weapon (or enemy). It’s also a bit of luck in terms of what you are dealing with – diesel/gasoline tend to evaporate pretty well, while fuel oils tend to be a bit nastier, are more pervasive and are harder to break up.
I’m surprised they are using dispersant so early and next to a reef. Dispersants can be really nasty and one of the last things you do in sensitive areas as they can kill most living things directly or indirecly. MAybe the slick is drifting well enough away that they feel it won’t do harm. The oil in the NZHerald pics looks quite dark and heavy the way it is sitting in the water and not breaking up. Wonder what part of the ship it is comign from.
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BOP Oil Spill Response Failure
Authorities have dismally failed to react properly to the grounding of the 236-metre cargo vessel MV Rena, which struck Astrolabe Reef north of Motiti Island in the Bay of Plenty on Wednesday at approx 2.20 AM…
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FYE (For your entertainment) http://robertguyton.blogspot.com/2011/10/two-faces-of-john-key.html
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i view the clownish caricature that brash has become as the physical manifestation of the intellectual bankruptcy of his rand-acolyte political thinking/actions..
i also note that he who brash was also an avowed acolyte of..alan greenspan..
..is now calling for the bush tax cuts for the rich to be reversed…
http://whoar.co.nz/2011/alan-greenspan-i-stand-with-allowing-the-bush-tax-cuts-to-expire/
..will brash also acknowledge the errors of that way..?
..hell no..!
..is nobody else spooked that this fool is the one who built/fostered/encouraged the housing/credit bubbles…?
..the madness that got us into the shit-hole we are currently in..?
..and why does the fucken useless/lame-arse media never call him/key/national to task on that..?
..twenty-plus years of driving hell-bent towards a cliff-edge…
..and key/national just promising more of the same…
..will the muggles wake up in time..?
..we can but hope..
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The people who pulled the stake back out of Brash have a lot to answer for.
Another idea to cut Government costs. Replace treasury with a Don Brash doll saying. “Cut spending, cut taxes, cut wages, cut benefits, sell everything”.
Strange how he gets so much airtime. Probably to make National appear to be in the centre, instead of the radical Freidman-it’s, they really are.
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Yesterday in history:
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(cited Today in history, Northern Advocate 7/10/11)
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http://whoar.co.nz/2011/study-wealthy-stockbrokers-more-dangerous-than-psychopaths/
“…The findings are a reminder of why now — more than ever — we must refuse to succumb to political apathy and laissez-faire demagoguery.
Like most people living through this jarring age of economic turbulence and political dysfunction -
- you can probably recall a moment in the last few months when you thought to yourself that our lawmakers and corporate leaders are all crazy.
And not just run-of-the-mill crazy, a la George Costanza’s parents – but the kind of crazy that makes films like “Silence of the Lambs” and “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” so frightening.
The good news for you is that you aren’t insane for thinking this.
The bad news for all of us, though, is that according to two new scientific analyses – you are more correct in your assessment than you may know.
The first revelation came from Dr. Nassir Ghaemi of Tufts University.
In his recent book, “A First-Rate Madness,” he went beyond merely restating the old adage that anyone crazy enough to run for public office probably shouldn’t occupy that office.
Instead, the book sheds light on what Ghaemi calls an “inverse law of sanity,”-
- whereby tumultuous times like these actually reward and promote political figures who are “mentally abnormal (or) even ill.”
Now comes a new study from Switzerland’s University of St. Gallen showing that the most successful of the global financial elite probably pose more of a menace to society than known psychopaths…”
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(john key..!…come on down..!..)
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