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Published in THE ISSUES by frog on Thu, May 19th, 2011
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General debate, May 19, 2011
Published: May 19, 2011
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57% of the french think the imf head has been honey-trapped/set-up…
and if you follow the story in the mainstream media..it reads:..
fat/sweaty/old/rich white guy rapes black maid in hotel room…
..he then rushes to the airport..in an attempt to escape…
..and is captured just in time by the plucky/efficient new york cops..
fact-check:…after this alleged-incident…he went and had lunch at a restaurant with his (locally-domiciled) daughter…
..he then went to the airport…to catch his pre-booked/scheduled flight to europe…
..when there he realised he had left his cellphone at the hotel..
..so he rang the hotel…told the hotel where he was..and asked could his cellphone be sent there to him…
(hardly the actions of a fugitive..you’d think..?..)
and if we factor in that he is a socialist..widely tipped to beat sarkozy…
..and that he was heading a major reform program at the imf…(ie..making the rich countries help the poor countries..not screw them over…)
..all in all..he made many powerful enemies…
..(and others have drawn comparisons with the new york attorney general who went (pre-crash) after the crooks on wall st…
..he was busted/jailed for using a prostitute…
..and the wall st crooks went on their merry way…)
(ahem..!..so those wanting the ‘real’ story ..on many/most issues…
…should really read whoar…eh..?
and not rely on the bullshit you/we are fed by our rightwing news duopoly…
…eh..?..)
http://whoar.co.nz/?s=strauss-kahn
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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so…a +$500,000 average fonterra payout..(plus they sell calves/w.h.y..)
..this translates into an average $1506 tax payment/bill..
..but there is ‘nothing to see there’…
..eh..?..
..we are being seriously gamed here…
..the evidence couldn’t be clearer…
(plus..many of them have family-trusts…this means they can hide their assets/income..claim minimum wage…
..and ‘qualify’ for working for families…eh..?
..and has anyone ever met/seen a farmers-boy uni-student who didn’t ‘qualify’ for the full student allowances/assistance..?
time for time to be called on this ‘game’…
..eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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The US Senate yesterday ensured that Oil Companies retain their
$US2billion p.a. in Government subsidies.
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(this is a ripper of a read…and it confirms what a prescient clever-dicky that marshall mcluhan bloke was…)
http://whoar.co.nz/2011/wikipedia-and-the-death-of-the-expert/
“…It’s high time people stopped kvetching about Wikipedia, which has long been the best encyclopedia available in English, and started figuring out what it portends instead.
For one thing, Wikipedia is forcing us to confront the paradox inherent in the idea of learners as “doers, not recipients.”
If learners are indeed doers and not recipients, from whom are they learning? From one another, it appears; same as it ever was.
It’s been over five years since the landmark study in Nature that showed “few differences in accuracy” between Wikipedia and the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Though the honchos at Britannica threw a big hissy at the surprising results of that study, Nature stood by its methods and results, and a number of subsequent studies have confirmed its findings…
… so far as general accuracy of content is concerned, Wikipedia is comparable to conventionally compiled encyclopedias, including Britannica…” (cont..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Parliament’s Wall of Shame #2
On 12 November 2010 Pansy Wong resigned as a Minister after misusing her parliamentary travel perks for trips to China on which her husband conducted private business activities, which is specifically prohibited. What is clear is that the couple advanced Mr Wong’s business interests while travelling together, subsidised by the New Zealand taxpayer to the tune of nearly $55,000. To make matters worse, the Wong’s unlawfully registered two private companies to Ms Wong’s Botany Downs electorate office.
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So its OK for the IMF to rape countries, but not for its head to allegedly rape women.
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Careful, if you put that discrepancy to govt policy makers, they’re more likely to decide women are fair game too.
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Why is it that in this post Strauss-Kahn is a already considered a rapist before being tried, yet on another people are bemoaning the lack of due process given to Osama Bin Laden?
[frog: Please, all commenters, use "alleged" rapist in this context, as I see dbuckley has.]
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http://whoar.co.nz/2011/rightwing-commentator-agrees-that-the-farmers-are-screwing-us-blind/
“…Nash is a first term MP and today he did something extraordinary. I cannot recall a first-term MP making such an impact in quite the way that Nash did today.
He upset the opposition in such an astonishing manner and with it several of the nation’s largest and most powerful lobby groups.
Nash is calling out farmers for the small amount of tax they pay.
I liken this act of bravery today just like walking up to Richard Loe’s face and calling him out for being a filthy eye goughing thug – and maybe even spitting on him.
Everyone knows it is true – but Loe was an All Black – so untouchable.
Farmers have had such a golden run in New Zealand…” (cont..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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The problem isn’t farmers or banks or txes; the problem is farming: its a poor economic activity.
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Why is it that in this post Strauss-Kahn is a already considered a rapist before being tried, yet on another people are bemoaning the lack of due process given to Osama Bin Laden?
Don’t think anyone here has said that. But he’d have to have been killed too to make such a comparison. It’s just hyperbole otherwise.
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goff is giving a cracker of a speech….
..saying all sorts of old-labour slogans…
and tearing into key/english/nact…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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one-term-john it is…
and it is the asset sales that’ll do it…
..there is now a clear difference between national and labour..
..national would flog off the common/state-owned assets..
..labour won’t…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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‘fat/sweaty/old/rich white guy rapes black maid in hotel room…’
Don’t let the facts get in the way Vallis…
The comment was about due process, hence Frog’s warning, not summary execution. Your flippant comment about killing seems somewhat distasteful, regardless of who is being discussed.
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goff is giving a cracker of a speech….
You have got to be kidding, Goff is full of hot air and tired clichés.
We better hope National know what they are doing because there is no credible opposition in sight.
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btw…i reckon this english-budget just confirms my long-held contention that english is white-anting key..and wants to/is doing all he can to lose this election..
reason why..?..
..if key loses..he leaves…english takes over again..(in his mind..)
..a disasterous left-coalition sees him back in power in 2014..(once again..in his mind..)
if key wins..a discredited two term national govt finally thrown out..sees him on the outer..for too long to matter/contemplate…
..so..this will be englishs’ last chance to grab the golden ring…
..(what stronger motivation wd he need..?..and don’t forget..on a personal level..key knifed him…he owes key…)
..and bottom line..english knows the asset-sale plans will see them turfed out..
heh..!..key is being played….
..and english has just talked him into electoral-suicide..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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you may see ‘no asset sales’ ..and ‘tax increases for the richest’..and ‘looking after the poorest’…as ‘tired cliche’..barunda…
..others don’t/won’t..
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norman is also doing well..
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Well Russell doesn’t agree with Phil Goff, he just said so himself.
Labour have no friggin idea Phil.
Quite frankly, if National can return us to surplus in 2014, including rebuilding Christchurch, that wouldn’t be a bad achievement.
We just have to make sure they don’t stuff the environment in the process.
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no..he said he wanted to see policy…
and that surplus in 2014 is dependant on 4% growth forecasts from treasury..
..treasury are the same clowns who told us just b4 the last election..
..that ‘the recession will be over in early 2009′..
..and they have been consistantly wrong in their predictions since..
..why the fuck wd u believe them on this/now..?
(btw..hickey has done a tidy analysis in the herald on the reasons why treasury are always so wrong..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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even farrar isn’t buying/pushing the treasury-forecast bullshit…
“..And it is possible the forecast economic growth won’t be as strong as projected. Treasury’s track record here has been more Eddie the Eagle than Robin Hood….”
(uncertain about the strength of his metaphor there..(‘robin hood’..?..)
..but he obviously believes treasury with their predictions..just spout horseshit..
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Are you kidding? You made the comparison to a mass murderer, the complaint around whose handling wasn’t that someone forgot to say “alleged” mass murderer, but that he was shot by special troops while unarmed. That’s hyperbole and distasteful.
It’s funny that you quote phil, though. He wasn’t condemning the guy, but claiming he was set up!
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Thing is, we know National is the wrong answer, but the problem is Labour are the wrong answer too…
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‘fat/sweaty/old/rich white guy rapes black maid in hotel room…’
Don’t let the facts get in the way Vallis…
The comment was about due process, hence Frog’s warning, not summary execution. Your flippant comment about killing seems somewhat distasteful, regardless of who is being discussed.
Are you kidding? You made the comparison to a mass murderer, the complaint around whose handling wasn’t that someone forgot to say “alleged” mass murderer, but that he was shot by special troops while unarmed. That’s hyperbole and distasteful.
Retraction and apologies. Didn’t read all Phil wrote.
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Cool, no worries.
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(anyone even slightly interested in the strauss-kahn (alleged) rape story..
..should really read this…)
http://whoar.co.nz/2011/dominique-strauss-kahn-was-tying-to-torpedo-the-dollar/
“…It’s all about perception management. The media is trying to dig up as much dirt as they can on Dominique Strauss-Kahn so they can hang the man before he ever sees the inside of a courthouse.
It reminds me of the Terry Schiavo case, where devoted-husband Michael was pegged as an insensitive slimeball for carrying out the explicit wishes of his brain-dead wife.
Do you remember how the media conducted their disgraceful 24 hour-a-day Blitzkrieg with the endless coverage of weepy Christian fanatics on the front lawn of the hospital while Hannity, Limbaugh and O’ Reilly fired away with their sanctimonious claptrap?
And now you’re telling me that that same media is just “doing their job?”
Give me a break.
Whoever wants to nail IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn has really pulled out all the stops.
Their agents have been rummaging through diaries, hotel registries, phone records, yearbooks, yada, yada, yada. The UK Telegraph even paid a visit to a high-priced DC knocking shop to get a little dirt from Madame Botox; whatever it takes to make a randy banker look like the South Hill rapist.
And they’re doing a pretty good job, too. The cops have made sure that the “Great Seducer” always appears handcuffed and dressed in a “pervie” raincoat with 3-days stubble before they parade him in front of the media.
On Wednesday–more grist for the mill–they released his mug-shot, an unflattering, deadpan photo that makes him look like Jack-the-Ripper. Was that the intention?
And, that’s not the half of it. The Big Money is exhuming every woman he’s ever had contact with for the last 30 years hoping they can glean some damning tidbit of information that will convince the doubters that beneath that sophisticated manner and $25,000 suit lurks a closet Bluebeard ready to snap up your daughters and defile your wives.
Next thing you know, they’ll be trotting out Paula Jones and Tanya Harding claiming they spent a torrid night with the Marquis de Kahn in a trailerpark outside Winamucca.
Where does it stop? Or does it stop?
Are we in for another year-long Clinton-Lewinski feeding frenzy where everyday we hear more lurid details about the sexploits of people who don’t really interest us at all?
Aren’t you at all curious about who’s behind this “lynching by media” scam? This is an all-out, no-holds-barred, steel-cage, take-down.
The big boys save that kind of action for the worst offenders, that is, for the insiders who have broken “Omerta” or wandered off the reservation.
I mean, they locked him up on Riker’s Island without bail, for Chrissake. What does that tell you?
Even Bernie Madoff was allowed to stay in his $7 million Park Avenue penthouse while he waited for trial, but not Straus-Kahn.
Oh, no. He get’s the royal treatment, even though he has no criminal record and nothing but the sketchy accusations of a chambermaid against him – he’s carted off to the state slammer where he can mingle with hardened criminals while dining on corn flakes and Wonder Bread.
You call that justice?
Can I tell you what this is all about?
It’s about the dollar. That’s right.
Strauss-Kahn was mounting an attack against the dollar and now the wrath of the Empire has descended on him like ton-of-bricks.
Here’s the scoop from the UK Telegraph:
“Dominique Strauss-Kahn, managing director of the International Monetary Fund, has called for a new world currency that would challenge the dominance of the dollar and protect against future financial instability…..
He suggested adding emerging market countries’ currencies, such as the yuan, to a basket of currencies that the IMF administers could add stability to the global system….Strauss-Kahn saw a greater role for the IMF’s Special Drawing Rights, (SDRs) which is currently composed of the dollar, sterling, euro and yen, over time but said it will take a great deal of international cooperation to make that work.”
(“International Monetary Fund director Dominique Strauss-Kahn calls for new world currency”, UK Telegraph)
So, Strauss-Kahn finds himself in the same crowd as Saddam Hussein and Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, right?
You may recall that Saddam switched from dollars to euros about a year before the war. 12 months later Iraq was invaded, Saddam was hanged, and the dollar was restored to power.
Gaddafi made a similar mistake when “he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro, and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead, the gold dinar.” (“Libya: All About Oil, or All About Central Banking?” Ellen Brown, Op-Ed News)
Libya has since come under attack by US and NATO forces which have armed a motley group of dissidents, malcontents and terrorists to depose Gaddafi and reimpose dollar hegemony.
And now it’s Strauss-Kahn’s turn to get torn to shreds. And for good reason.
After all, DSK actually poses a much greater threat to the dollar than either Saddam or Gaddafi because he’s in the perfect position to shape policy and to persuade foreign heads of state that replacing the dollar is in their best interests.
And that is precisely what he was doing; badmouthing the buck.
Only he was too dense to figure out that the dollar is the US Mafia’s mealticket – the main way that shifty banksters and corporate scalawags extort tribute from the poorest people on earth.
Strauss-Kahn was rocking the boat – and now he’s going to pay…” (cont..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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I’ve no opinion either way, just offer this in contrepoint.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/7326/the_sordid_sexual_history_of_dominique_strauss-kahn/
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(re wallywood sign:..)
..and i still reckon my idea of a north korean/king-kong-styling statue of peter jackson….straddling the head…as it were…
(..perhaps clutching in one hands a big pile of taxpayer subsidies…?…and in the other a clutch of struggling (local/poor) actors/actresses…?)
…is a better/more accurate/more visually appealing/arresting way to go…eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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two more illuminating facts around the strauss-kahn ‘story’..
the work-practice in that hotel..is for maids to work in pairs…
and the person on sarkozys’ re-election team..charged with bringing down strauss-kahn..
..was tweeting about his bust…way before the ny police announced it…
(just saying/contrepointing(sic)..!..)
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Stop being a rape apologist phil u.
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really helen..
..guilty as charged..is he…?
..getting ready to knit beside the gullotine..?
..mob-ready..are you..?
..this thing reeks like a sweating carnivore..
..anyone with half a brain can see that…
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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philu, transparency of government via the net will survive Assange’s court case, the cause of financial sector reform will continue with the next IMF boss – these things are not dependent on the behaviour of the 2 men concerned being overlooked.
WJC and the mouth of the Jewish intern, Assange on charge after internet revelations, DSK on charge when seeking financial sector reform (and his no 2 is straight out of Wall Street an CFFR), OBL with computer porn – it does fit the right wing meme that their opponents are the immoral ones. But this does not mean that a conspiracy was prior to these events.
Well OK the computer porn may have been planted.
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(here you are helena…more food for thought/the thinking…)
http://whoar.co.nz/2011/%C2%A0-the-establishment-eliminates-a-threat-%C2%A0/
“…The police and the prostitute media have made it impossible for Dominique Strauss-Kahn to get a fair trial. From the moment of the announcement that he had been arrested on suspicion of sexually assaulting a hotel maid, and before he was ever indicted, the accounts given by the police were designed to create the impression that the director of the International Monetary Fund was guilty.
For example, the police told the media, which duly regurgitated to the public, that Strauss-Kahn was in such a hurry to flee the scene of the crime that he left behind his cell phone.
The police also put out the story that by calling airlines and demanding passenger lists, they managed to catch the fleeing rapist just as his plane was departing for France.
A New York judge denied Strauss-Kahn bail on the basis of police misrepresentation that he was apprehended fleeing the country.
Once he was imprisoned, the police announced that Strauss-Kahn was on suicide watch, which is a way of suggesting to the public that the accused rapist might take his own life in order to avoid the public humiliation of a guilty verdict from a jury.
But what really happened, assuming one can learn anything from press reports, is that Strauss-Kahn, upon arriving at JFK airport for his scheduled flight, discovered that he did not have his cell phone and telephoned the hotel, the scene of the alleged crime.
It boggles the mind that anyone could possibly think that a person fleeing from his crime would call the scene of the crime, ask about his left-behind cell phone, and tell them where he was.
Then in rapid succession, reeking of orchestration, a French woman steps forward and declares that a decade ago she was nearly raped by Strauss-Kahn.
This was followed by Kristin Davis, the Manhattan Madam of the prostitute who did in Eliot Spitzer before he could get the banksters on Wall Street, stepping forward to announce that one of her call girls refused to service Strauss-Kahn a second time because he was too rough in the act.
With hunting season opened, any woman whose career would benefit from publicity, or whose bank account would bless a damage award, can now step forward and claim to have been a victim or near victim of Strauss-Kahn.
This is not to deny that Strauss-Kahn might have an inordinate appetite for sex that did him in. It is to say that long before a jury hears from the maid, or from a prosecutor speaking for the maid “who is too traumatized to appear in court,” the jury has been programmed with the verdict that he is guilty.
Why would he run away if he didn’t do it?
Look at all the women he has accosted!
You get the picture.
I have written about the anomalies of the case. One of the most striking is the confirmed reports in the French and British press that a political activist for French President Sarkozy, Jonathan Pinet, tweeted the news of Strauss-Kahn’s arrest to Arnaud Dassier, a spin doctor for Sarkozy, before the news was announced by the New York police.
Pinet’s explanation for how he was the first to know is that a “friend” in the Sofitel Hotel, where the alleged crime took place, told him.
Is it merely a coincidence that the men assigned the task of removing the Strauss-Kahn threat to French President Sarkozy’s re-election had a clued-in friend in the Sofitel Hotel?
Did the police clue-in the “friend” before they made the public announcement?
If so, why?..” (cont..)
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You’ve got nothing.
A tip off (people do communicate) – police once knowing that he is at the airport seek passenger lists from airlines so they can ask one to delay a flight.
Sure in a country where brothel keeping is illegal those tolerated as operators are expected to provide favours (similarly in the international drug trade and money laundering etc) – so it’s no surprise that they would do this. But if the financial reformer threats were not culpable they would not have been vulnerable to these operators passing on information.
PS he was a flight risk because the French would not have extradited him.
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this link could save yr life…i am serious…
..over to you..
http://whoar.co.nz/2011/dr-oz-42711-forks-over-knives/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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(and this one will provide hours of joy..)
http://whoar.co.nz/2011/library-of-congress-and-sony-launch-free-jukebox-website-ed-now-this-is-very-cool/
…The US Library of Congress launched a National Jukebox of historic recordings from its archives on May 17, making available more than 10,000 postings of jazz, blues, ethnic folk, gospel, and pop music, as well as spoken word and comedy from the early 20th century.
In partnership with Sony Music, the pre-1925 music and other material from the Victor Talking Machine Company, a predecessor to RCA Victor Records, are accessible for free streaming on the internet. Sony maintains the right to issue some in the future for commercial release.
Among the highlights are vintage performances by celebrated classical musicians, including opera singer Enrico Caruso, Duke Ellington to Jelly Roll Morton, the first blues recording, “Livery Stable Blues,” from 1917 by the Original Dixieland Jazz Band; President Teddy Roosevelt speeches; performances by ragtime jazz pianist Eubie Blake…” (cont..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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(look…!..shunda showing his true rightwing/homophobic self..)
# Shunda barunda (1,801) Says:
May 22nd, 2011 at 6:48 pm
How about a minister for “mind your own damned business”. Children are not the responsibility of the state, they are the responsibility of the parents.
The state has no business in my kids, especially the bloody Labour party.
Labour would be better advocating for a minister of “Gay affairs” because their ‘gays’ don’t seem to have their affairs in order!..”
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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The ‘State’ needs to step forward certainly in some areas – the provision for children and the elderly would obviate the need for abortion or the (velvet) euthanasia we entertain – but then, a kiwi life isn’t worth much…..
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