Tiki Taane and the Police: Straight Outta Compton

Stuff reports:

Chart-topping New Zealand singer Tiki Taane is due to appear in the Tauranga District Court on Friday after being arrested in the city early yesterday.

He was performing a gig at Illuminati on Harrington Street when police arrested him. Taane is charged with disorderly behaviour likely to cause violence to start or continue.

A number of people at the gig said Taane began singing “f*** the police” when they carried out a standard inspection of the club.

There maybe more to this, but on what has been reported so far the Tauranga cops are being a bit precious here.  NWA’s “Fuck tha Police” is a classic song – rated No. 417 in Rolling Stone Magazine’s 500 best songs of all time.   It has been widely performed by many other bands.  Sure, the lyrics are vehemently anti-Police, and contain lots of “naughty” words.

But it is a work of art, and one that has won widespread critical acclaim.  To suggest that Taane was intending to incite violence against the Police by singing it when they were on the premises doing a “standard inspection” of the club doesn’t really cut it with me.  And as for the “standard inspection”, don’t the Police have something better to do, like catching rapists and muggers, than doing “standard inspections” of clubs around 3am?

Hmmm – well, maybe catching a few people with dope on them in a club gets the Police stats up.  Which may have been the point Taane was trying to make by singing that song.

Anyway, for their own sake, at least the Tauranga cops had the good sense to not hold him in custody.  Possibly because he may have emulated Australian radio station Triple J and entertained them with 24 continuous hours of NWA’s Express Yourself in protest:

59 Comments Posted

  1. According to Police Union “spokesperson” O’Connor, there is more to this than has been generally reported.

    Seeing as it’s going to court tomorrow, we should find out soon enough who has been economical with the truth…

  2. I am almost certain that IF the drug laws were reformed along the lines that Greens have suggested… often… the problem of respect for the police and their deserving that respect, would dissipate to a shadow of what it is today.

    This is not a problem that is caused by “the police” it is caused by the inherent stupidity of trying to legislate morality and then forcing the police to force people to obey THOSE laws.

    Sort of like using a hammer to drive a screw.

    BJ

  3. Todd. No one said it was a perfect world. Just that the Green Party has an anti-Police sentiment running through it. You’re keenest to pull up some very serious and highly critical documents, which most informed people are already fully aware of, just demonstrate this.

  4. I’m not sure that comparisons are all that relevent as any corruption is too much corruption. We clearly have an issue in New Zealand with a negative Police culture. If you say I’m bashing the Police for saying this, you’re saying that the Minister of Police is also having a bash.

    While New Zealand Police have made significant progress on culture change, senior management lacks confidence to make bold moves toward change, according to a report issued today.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10700487

    The Commission of Inquiry followed concern about how police had dealt with allegations of sexual assault by police officers, including allegations by Louise Nicholas of rape.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/police-culture-still-falls-short-report-4001151

    Police middle managers were not well-equipped with respect to performance management and much of middle managements efforts were undermined by non-performers at the senior level, the report by PriceWaterhouseCoopers partner Debbie Francis said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4553994/Changes-to-police-culture-stall

    “These include: • overhauling our Employment Relations strategy. • further refinement of our appointments process • keeping the pace up on resolution of professional standards cases • and the development and implementation of action plans to respond to issues raised in staff engagement surveys.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1101/S00355/need-for-traction-on-police-culture-changes.htm

  5. Mark says “Having lived in four different countries, I can promise you that NZ packs more macho bullshit to the dozen, than all the others put together”

    My experience is the opposite.

    The only country I’ve ever been where the police are anywhere near as low key and approachable as here, is the UK.

    To use a very old Robin Williams line, police in the US, Canada, Australia, Singapore, South Africa, South America, Spain, Italy etc – are far more likely than Kiwi cops to go get their guns out and “bang!!!bang!!!
    bang!!!
    bang!!!
    bang!!!
    bang!!!
    then utter “stop or I’ll shoot”.

  6. Yea it’s an interesting comparison BJ; – the US being one of the Countries I have lived in – my lifestyle never brought me into any contact with the Police there – oh except for a Brooklyn Cop who hugely enjoyed my ability to hold the Pool Table down in the Village against all comers – he had his gun/radio resting on the Bar and couldn’t understand why I wasn’t interested in going to a good stabbing or the like – nice enough feller.
    Nor did the Australian Police find me remarkable in any way – but I guess they don’t have to LOOK for trouble in those Countries – serious problems are endemic!
    The Indonesian Police were always interested in selling tickets to the Police Ball, but once they discovered I’d bothered to learn their Language – well – things became positively Comical.
    Yes I reckon the Russians could prove interesting – the only people I met there were the crew of a C5 Galaxy who’d had enough Vodka to render an elephant supine – but they were mostly interested in selling accessories and ordnance from their Aircraft.
    A friend who Globe-trots for his job says it is an unwritten rule to NEVER call the police in Mexico.
    I expect I’ll have to apply for a Visa to revisit the Pentagon and the US Senate and will have to explain that ‘fitting people up’ is a kind of hobby for some of our locals – certainly the Judge thought it was so – and the Police Prosecutor took a sudden interest in the floor!

    I was certainly raised in NZ to think of Police here as our allies – and so they were in those long ago days – by comparison it’s a pretty shoddy business today.
    One couldn’t grow up in Wellington without being friends/relatives of many senior people – thus the normal avenues of redress were/are not open to me here – though I might say the UN Human Rights Commission took quite an interest in the ‘legal’ doings that are SOP in Enzed!
    Yeah, I feel that the mission statement our people are given is the problem here – Clint Rickards became famous just after my return – and I just KNEW that there was something very badly wrong.

    On the other hand, some of the finest people I know have worn the blue uniform. Almost universally they didn’t fit in with the culture and work elsewhere today.
    Will read your article with interest!
    regards
    Mark

  7. I dunno Mark, I suspect that the cops in the US can give you a good run for your money.

    http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/22757-police-reject-candidate-for-being-too-smart/

    Organizations within the force have fundamentalist roots ( KKK and neo-nazi memberships tend to be hidden better ).

    My personal knowledge of a few of them leads me to believe that the NZ force is not unique nor particularly good or bad. Mostly just humans in a job that does not lend itself to good public relations.

    Particularly with the drug laws as they are. Back BEFORE the war on drugs it was much more likely that people would see the police as allies in the quest for a civilized existence. Now they are more often seen as adversaries.

    I think cops from Russia would give us a run too. Different culture but VERY hard.

    …and just for the record, I think our critics are speaking to a perception that is VERY real for most of NZ.

    Our party never misses a chance to criticize the police. Even though there have been some egregious instances in which some of them clearly deserve criticism I could wish that we managed more even-handedness/recognition of the difficulty of their job and how well they usually manage to do it. Despite the “culture”. Despite the drug laws.

    respectfully
    BJ

  8. Having lived in four different countries, I can promise you that NZ packs more macho bullshit to the dozen, than all the others put together

  9. Thanks for your input JJ; I take my criticism in the abundantly mis-informed way it is offered – remain good friends with several senior serving officers – neither gettin all paranoid – believe, in fact, we are served exceptionally well by our Public Servants in general.
    Observe how there is a Law for ‘us’ and another for ‘them’ – am not fazed by the truth – when there are so many self-serving lies abroad
    “Blah Blah Blah” you may call it – is that what you would offer the Families?

  10. And the Green anti-police sentiment goes on and on, what qualities they lack, how they apparently think, ‘Mistakes with guns’ blah blah blah. The risks you take Mark in saying such things when ‘they’ are watching! Hopefully you were wearing a satellite-disrupting tinfoil suit when you typed it and were hooked into your neighbour’s wifi.

  11. An extremely demanding job in todays surveillance society!!!!
    And all the while the cry for a higher quality of recruit undermining mutual trust – it’s the kinda job where a healthy dose of common sense is endlessly helpful.
    Mistakes with Guns have such a long scale = too many I know see themselves as being ‘at war’ with those they are supposed to serve – thus there quality of mutual distrust.
    To those who merely want to sit back and judge (thumbs downers), please consider that I would, or might value a more committed approach – in the long run – cowardly attitudes serve no one!

  12. And what has Green criticism of the police to do with calling for the killing of Jews, blacks Moslems, police or gays?

    Criticism is not bashing or an attack – your attempt to wrap police in cotton wool as if they feel bashed or attacked if criticised is namby pambyism. Your’re as bad as O’Connor.

    Free speech is free speech and all people and groups can be criticised in the use of it.

    In so far as the song lyrics are concerned, it has not be banned in any country as far as I know. It’s played on radio, its performed at concerts (presumably including those where the police sometimes do crowd control) and yet has anyone in the world been prosecuted for singing the lyrics of this song before a crowd before?

    Why is this the country where the police want a prosecution? And to send a message to who, singers, people who go to concerts, people with criticism of the police, people the police associate with violence against the police – who exactly was called by the local police befroe the decision to go back and make the arrest was made?

  13. You want Greens to be blue greens, we already know that … you clearly hate liberals for supporting the equal rights of minorites and lefties for supporting collective provision for the poor coz that’s an extreme left wing idea A … nothing new here.

    Of course if you were a blue green you would be working to that end within the National Party and working for them to realise environment protection as well as supporting like minded people in other parties.

    Instead you attack anything liberal and left about the Greens and make little positive contribution to debate on environment issues.

  14. SPC –
    When someone says
    – kill the jews
    – kill the blacks
    – kill the muslims
    – kill the police
    – or kill the gays

    it’s not mere criticism and free speech as you weakly argue – it’s very obviously hate speech.

    I’m not portraying the Green Party as anti police.

    They are very clearly achieving that all by themselves, with determined attacks, again and again over a long period of time.

    It also brings into question the sincerity for caring about human rights when they protest loudly AGAINST the abuse of one group then protest loudly FOR the right to abuse others.

    If you have ethics that people should all be treated fairly, unless they are groups you don’t like, then your ethics are meaningless.

    And far from seeking to diminish support for the Greens, I think we need a pragmatic green movement that concentrates on green issues and garners support from right across the political spectrum, instead of attacking everyone, including people with a green inclination, because they are not on the extreme left.

  15. So criticism of the police – using ones right of free speech is first called by you hate for the police and now bashing the police.

    So are you calling for criticism of the police to be a hate crime because it might incite violence, or because it is itself a form of violence? Are certain people above and beyond criticism?

    Clearly you seek to diminish support for the Greens and this motivates you in your incessant criticsam of them here on this blog using your won right of free speech and hope that portraying them as anti-police/hating the police/police bashing is one way to do this.

  16. When was the last time the Greens said anything positive about the Police?

    Valis says “Um, today?”

    And is the back handed compliment because the Green actually believe it, or because their reputation is suffering because they are starting to get a reputation for police bashing?

  17. Today! Bugger. Seriously though, it’s an extremely rear occurrence for the Greens to be so positive in respect to the Police, and as mentioned above the Green Party position on the Police in generally negative and rarely (I can’t say never now) complimentary. Having said I have to agree with the article you directed me to. Staggering result given the number of similar allegations, but the jury is the jury I guess.

  18. Hey Toad
    Putting aside the risk of possible environmental disaster (for which, after BP, I suspect the exploration company would be contracted to fund) and the fact that it may be preferable for the exploration not to occur in the first place, why shouldn’t the (private) people who put up the (significant) funds for such an exercise be entitled to the profit? How is it any different to you sticking $1,000 on term deposit and receiving say $60 in interest (admittedly, you probably wouldn’t have a team working on how to minimise the tax on your $60). Your risk, your return. It’s that simple isn’t it?

  19. @Todd 8:31 PM

    Is corruption acceptable?

    In the Nat/Lab world, definitely! Dodgy deals that involved Fay Richwhite acting as consultants to Government and then getting the Government to sell the assets to Fay Richwhite themselves to asset strip.

    And, on that note, just look at the current oil exploration deal with Petrobras. Almost all the profits are privatised if it progresses to extraction. But if it all turns to shit, like it did with Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, we all cop a US$ 39 billion bill. That would cripple New Zealand’s economy forever.

  20. Zedd. Couldn’t agree more, but I think we are relatively corruption free compared to other places. The Transparency International Corruption Perception Index rates us at the top regularly.

  21. I’m definatley not ‘anti-police’.. BUT I am anti-corruption & do not support using power for self interest !! Kia-ora

  22. Todd, you make some good points, and in hindsight the pot smoking comment was totally unnecessary. However, I stand by my claim that the Greens, as a party, are anti-Police. When was the last time the Greens said anything positive about the Police? They either criticise, or say nothing.

    BTW, I’m actually absolutely opposed to some of the changes in respect to representation within the legal system. However, it has largely come about as the result of the same self-declared ‘oppressed’ group that tend to flood the courts as they regularly feel they can do what they want irrespective of the impact on others. They same group the blog was intended to appeal to.

    Be honest, the nine MPs are primarily courtesy of Labour supporters who wouldn’t jump the fence and probably had no objection to the Greens fundamental policies.

  23. Have you noticed that there are nine Green representatives in the house JJackson? BTW I very much doubt that the Greens are anti Police… Speaking out against a certain occurrence does not make you anti police. Even though I have been seriously beaten by a Policeman, I am not anti Police. I have often used their services and appreciate there professional conduct when I have had to use it. I certainly don’t appreciate their un-professional conduct, that’s what we’re concerned with here.

    Perhaps you support Nationals war on law and the fact that people will have less representation in a court of law. There will be less likelihood of proper rulings and more room for Government influence. You probably think this is a good thing?

    I think what the Greens want is for there not to be a need for people to undertake crime whether by necessity or compunction. This would equate to less Police, something that should happen being that our crime rate has apparently fallen. Your perspective is about as relevant as your belief that all Green supporters smoke pot.

  24. Let’s put some perspective on the blog. The Green Party in anti-Police so will always find reason to criticise them because it has no real prospect of ever holding any power and doesn’t have to worry about the real issues of governing the country. The comments in the blog are just the usual publicity-oriented rubbish aimed at catching the vote the self-declared ‘oppressed’, who don’t appreciate that society couldn’t function if we all just did and said as we liked regardless of the impact on others. Roll another number and continue to forget the reality of living in the modern world.

  25. Dunno Toad, I gave you an up-tick. I am not sure what the deal is as I haven’t been in a NZ pub at 3 AM… I CAN think of several theories to cover it and not all of them put the police in a bad light… though a fair few of them do.

    My attitude though, is formed based on both the job they HAVE to do, and the culture they’ve developed. It is good that they do the job and it is important that they do it and it is not an easy thing for them to do. It is however, a culture that divides the world into us vs them in ways that clearly affects their perception of every non-police person in the country… and that is NOT good… though I have never seen a place where such a culture did not appear.

    So if it is avoidable I don’t know. Maybe not.

    Until you described it, I hadn’t even imagined that they did invade in large numbers. I would have thought 2 would be as many as might show up… 3 on the outside.

    Being married with kids keeps me from knowing certain sorts of things these days 🙂

    BJ

  26. @toad 10:13 AM

    Three down ticks for what I thought was my very reasoned and sensible comment there! Anyone who gave them care to explain why?

  27. I can never understand why the police in Aotearoa/NZ are allowed to ‘storm’ into pubs en-mass & start harrasing the public. Surely it is the responsibility of the publicans to check for under age drinkers & eject unruly clientele.. not the Police ?

    I have been into bars in Australia, Britain & Europe & can’t say I ever saw such ‘tactics’ as goes on here.. ‘keeping the public in fear of authority’

    I have to agree it often seems that they are just out there looking for trouble, not trying to resolve it !! Kia-ora

  28. Photonz1

    They spend their whole lives dealing with dickheads and getting abused on a daily basis – why would they come here for more of the same?

    Well firstly they don’t spend their whole lives dealing with dickheads unless they are a dickhead themselves. They have recreation, family and a lot of the job is rewarding. Why do you come here photonz1? The fact of the matter is that police conduct is an important issue, highlighting one particular high profile exhibit of bad conduct could be beneficial. The culture within the police must change, even the police commissioner thinks this.

    BJ

    Second is safety in terms of fire exits and the like.

    Actually, that’s not really the police’s job. It’s a fire safety inspectors job and the club owners job. I’m not sure if police can ensure that a club sticks to its allocated patron numbers, which can also lead to problems, but I very much doubt they ever enforce such requirements. Most club owners in New Zealand are responsible.

    They’ll know better now.

    I very much doubt that this will stop the police from looking for trouble. The only way things will change is if a procedural order is given and that will only happen when pressure is placed.

    When I was a bit younger, I was at a party with around four hundred other people who were enjoying a drink and some bands at a private address. The Police sent in three rookie cops to the middle of the crowd and announced that the party must end. There was no noise control. Words were exchanged and the three rookie cops tried to arrest somebody in the middle of this huge crowd of people who were pissed off. The three cops got bottles thrown at them and retreated. Their two cars were also vandalised. Around ten minutes later 40 riot cops turned up in full kit with minto bars at the ready and started beating people up and arresting them. They hounded people along the road for about 5 km picking them off one by one. What did the cops learn from this experience?

    Although in general I think the Police do a fantastic job, which is difficult in the best of circumstances. They are well funded, equipped and trained to deal with various circumstances. Despite these advantages, some of my experiences with police make me very weary of contact or trust in a profession that requires such trust to properly function. Without trust, crime will go under reported. It only takes a few instances to lose trust in the entire force.

  29. @bjchip 6:03 AM

    I think the responsibilities re safety, egress etc lie more with local authorities and the Fire Service than the Police. You are right about their responsibility re enforcing the liquor licensing laws, but I’ve always been curious about the motives for Police “standard inspections” of bars and clubs.

    I would have thought that the best way to enforce the liquor licensing laws would be to have a couple of plain clothes officers on the premises unobtrusively observing, rather than send in a platoon of uniforms wearing riot batons. I’ve seen more than one convivial situation in a bar descend into mayhem as a result aggressive uniformed Police entering in large numbers, interviewing people without cause, and even conducting personal searches without cause.

    I can’t help but think that the motive for those tactics is often to assert Police authority by intimidating, rather than police the liquor licensing laws.

  30. All very well bj, but for the fact that you have overlooked that someone is on charge and due to appear in court despite now knowing about the song and its lyrics.

    You also fail to note that frog wrote this

    “There maybe more to this, but on what has been reported so far the Tauranga cops are being a bit precious here.”

    And that his objection was to the charges being laid and this matter going to court, not to the arrest.

    “To suggest that Taane was intending to incite violence against the Police by singing it when they were on the premises doing a “standard inspection” of the club doesn’t really cut it with me”

    The police in continuing with charges are not just detaining someone while they did their job at the club – first they would have simply left with the arrested person and not done the job they purportedly at the club to do, and second they have continued with the matter and are now wasting the time of the court to send a message.

    The singer in doing what he did was just doing his job – keep the crowd happy so the visit did not take the mood down.

  31. Frog

    There are two requirements that the police must fulfill and which can only be fulfilled with police officers coming onto the club premises. First is to ensure that there are no minors in the club getting liquored up. Second is safety in terms of fire exits and the like. Which has and killed people (google “nightclub fire”), in more than one club. If the cops are just looking for easy marijuana busts, that is a different story, but the mere presence of police does not tell it.

    The existence of a song called “Fuck the Police” and its status as art is not going to make it to the attention of the average policeman or policewoman. Its lyrics however, guarantee the attention of that police person. It does indeed carry a risk of riot in a crowded club when police and liquor impaired patrons are present.

    So if they took the artist in while they got that bit sorted out I would not be surprised, and I believe that you, not the cops, are being a bit “precious” as they did not respond by beating the cr@p out of anyone and DID respond appropriately given what they knew. They’ll know better now, but I reckon their job is hard enough without us piling on for every little misstep.

    We need to be vigilant, as we know that there have been and are often problems with “police culture” running out of control… but we do not need to be and I think should not be, vigilantes on this subject.

    BJ

  32. PS; when talking ‘dickheads’ – do you include the ones in uniform – or are they a sort of human perfection, above all criticism?

  33. You would know Piccy – I know several youths who have joined the Police specifically for a mandate to beat shit out of the helpless – they are a mirror of Hitler’s Brown Shirts – how can the bureaucracy comment on the Devil they have hired trained and paid? (and they are well paid to endure the ‘hardship’) – the last lot I saw were laughing – thoroughly enjoying someone’s bloody death!
    They won’t come here; surely as a vampire avoids the daylight – if in doubt, I can send you on an educational tour – by dawn you will expect to meet Quiddaffi, Pol Pot, Milosevic, George W – yes here in dear old Godzone! If in doubt, consult your Maori friend (do you have one?)
    Make No Mistake – NZ has an ersatz Capital Punishment, wholly in place – it needs a thorough rousting by the UN’s Human Rights Department – are we still a signatory?

  34. They spend their whole lives dealing with dickheads and getting abused on a daily basis – why would they come here for more of the same?

  35. It’s better to get the boot figuratively speaking than physically. It’s an open forum photonz1, the Police are welcome to reply at any stage.

  36. Frogs post paraphrased – “I’ve got no idea what really happened, but never let it be said the Greens ever miss a chance to stick the boot into the police.”

  37. I wasn’t meaning to be flippant with the remark Drakula. I’m fully aware of how complacent New Zealanders are. I truly believe that if Shonkey sends in the Navy to forcefully remove Greenpeace and local Maori from a part of the ocean where they are undertaking peaceful protest to protect New Zealand from polluting plunderers and the Navy has no legal right to intervene, there will be a huge response. Some of this response could be violent and effectively remove the automatons.

    The Government might harp on about how great oil will be financially but only 5% of the profits from crude oil go to New Zealand making their vehemence seem rather funded instead of genuine. Oil will do nothing to make the average Kiwi’s lifestyle better, that is simply a lie.

    The Maori community has not been consulted and as far as I’m concerned, the Treaty of Waitangi applies to all of New Zealand, irrespective of secret closed door agreements made with private overseas companies with a horrendous history of polluting. Deals done by a delusional National Government or their misplaced amendments to our founding document are null and void without a proper mandate from the people.

    Which brings us to the white colonialists enforcers arresting a Maori who happened to have a mic for saying Fuck the Police. Well Fuck the National Government as well, because if you are Maori, they are going to fuck you… Whether this is in respect to freedom of speech or the resources under your feet, the fascists care not for any of our rights.

  38. Mark is right there is an evil sort of culture in the police force that is not being addressed.

    I don’t usually judge a book by it’s cover but when I see bald headed policemen in uniform little swastica’s start running round my brain.

    When we make a fashion statement we (even subconsciously) tell the outside world who we are, what our belief systems are and how we desire a result.

    What I am seeing in the police force today is pretty bloody scary, I keep well away from them!!!!!

  39. Drak; Give any Kiwi a uniform and a title and automatically create a thousand problems where you sought to limit one.
    Toad hasn’t met these folk in the basement at 2am
    Adolph was very efficient – and the cover-up lasted reasonably well.
    And for those lil’ Bambi’s who don’t know it – yes we have Capital retribution in NZ – wholly unaccounted and unacknowledged
    Think your life is worth the same as an east cape Maori Girl?
    You poor naive uneducated blind puerile otherworldly loser.
    Eventually such denial turns self-destructive.
    Then we will have a Maori Government – by default.

    ps; Toad – you can’t cover this shizen up when ten graduates are released every morning.

  40. @Drakula 8:33 PM

    …every cop a criminal…

    No, I wouldn’t go that far – I have met some decent cops. Just like every cop is not personally a rapist.

    But the cop culture is to cover that sort of shit up, as the Commission of Inquiry into Police conduct found.

  41. Todd: “Could start a revolution” only if, but Key has made a shrewd move today Natz have just bailed out AMI insurance claiming that if it went into recievership 80,000 policy holders in Christchurch could be left in the lurch.

  42. Frog, that Tiple J link is fantastic. Go on strike and set up a four and a half minute song by the band that was censored to replay over and over and over for 24 hours.

    Pure genius, We can learn from that.

  43. Or more to the point putting a muzzle on to the police.
    The lyrics of Sympathy for the Devil by the rolling Stones “every cop a criminal” really sums up the perversion of the justice system.

    By the way did anybody look at a TV program last Monday evening something to do with dualing neighbours.
    One of my friends in Coalgate, Canterbury is constantly being hassled by an ex-detective, a really nasty piece of work!!!

    He ordered my friend not to use a paper road to access his place but the paper Rd. did not belong to the ex-cop. Things like that.

    Really twisted !!!!!!

  44. Nationals Mafia gangsta styles… In slight contrast to Norman Kirk sending navy frigates into the test zone area at Mururoa Atoll in 1973 to protest French nuclear testing.

    The sort of shit Key and Co are getting up to could start a revolution.

  45. Shows where Nationals priorities lies doesnt it. They are seriously considering sending the navy to look after oil exploration ships, but dont do anything about whaling or environmental protection

  46. “The Government is considering sending naval vessels to protect a deep sea oil survey ship off the East Coast from Greenpeace…”

    seriously??? WTF

  47. The NZ airforce is protecting a deep sea Brazilian oil company, and the NZ police arrested Tiki Taane, a top NZ musician… how out of touch can the current Government get!!!

    Key said there is a possibility a Naval patrol will be sent out to keep an eye on the vessel and an Air Force Orion is keeping watch. He said the Police Minister is looking into options about how to protect the legal rights of the Brazilian oil company. http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/navy-may-monitor-drilling-exploration-4111433

  48. After I got beaten unconscious by an undercover cop for no good reason, I was thrown into a cell and left for dead… the cops quickly wiped surveillance footage and there were no witnesses, so all I got was concussed. Although I don’t like to generalize, I have to concur with Mr Taane’s sentiments entirely.

  49. Agreed, Todd. I got arrested in a bar back in the 1980s – supposedly for obstructing them in the execution of their duties.

    All I did was question their request to order me and others off he premises. They then attempted to forcibly remove a woman I was drinking with from the bar, and when I and several others objected, we were all arrested.

    Th good news was that there was a lawyer (now a Judge) drinking in the bar who witnessed it all.

    We were all acquitted, and then successfully sued the Police for false arrest and malicious prosecution.

    They settled and paid up. I got a new car.

    It amazes me that they are still doing he bar rounds as an easy arrest option. Surely they have bigger crime to focus on, as frog suggests.

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