Greens could lead Government in Germany, and here…

The Greens are now the largest opposition party in Germany, according to the independent pollster Forsa in a survey conducted for the news magazine Stern.

Support for the center-left environmentalist party has risen to 28 percent, seven points higher than in Forsa’s previous survey.

The Social Democrats (SPD), traditionally Germany’s largest center-left party, are polling at 23 percent. The SPD is normally the senior member in coalition governments with its partner-of-choice, the Greens.

Add up the numbers!  If that happens, there will be a Green-led Government in Germany, with the SPD (our equivalent is Labour) as its minor partner.  The CDU (our equivalent is National and ACT) would be in Opposition, because, despite being the largest party bloc, it has less support than the Greens and the SPD combined.

How quickly things can change in politics!

Germany has to wait another two years for a national election.   We in New Zealand  have another seven months, but we have essentially the same very democratic electoral system as Germany, so it could happen here.

Wouldn’t it be great if we could soon start to replicate the German polling here in Aotearoa/New Zealand.  It’s up to you all, and our Green MPs in Parliament, to make it happen.

Kia kaha!

9 Comments Posted

  1. Oi! Big mistake… The motorheads in Germany aren’t going to let that go down at ALL, and it is wrong to use a speed limit in order to improve fuel efficiency. A tax on fossil fuels that go into cars or a levy on cars that have poor CO2 efficiency is more correct. The speed on the roads is irrelevant if the vehicle is powered by hydrogen or electricity.

    “Greens hate cars” is not a good message. “Greens hate waste” is a good message.

    If they pursue that policy, they are not going to do well at all.


  2. Yes you’re right the German Greens are coming on strong in part because the party is pro-active and good at getting the message out. The recent win in Baden-Wuerttemberg had at least something to do with the stand on emissions. Germany’s highways allow for high speeds but this also contributes to CO2 emissions. According to a Green party spokesperson Baden-Wuerttemberg traffic is responsible for adding about 30% to CO2 emissions. The plan is to reduce the speed limit to 75 MPH. This of course is will displease the auto giants, but it’s an example of German Greens not being afraid to tackle the hard issues.

  3. I always figured if we got to the point we were the Government, then we would have two people taking on the job of Prime Minister. As far as the media describing the Greens as “center-left”….let’s change the description of who we are. The Green Party is the most holistic political party in New Zealand…..why is that? It’s their healthy use of right and left brain thinking.

  4. Before the Greens start measuring up for new curtains and carpet (figuratively speaking) on the ninth floor perhaps a reality check by reading this might be in order

    Hoping that the Greens will get more votes in November as the current “goofy” Labour or “empty suit” National parties are incapable of taking the bull by the proverbial horn.

    Will Green policies adequately address those economic and structural taxation, state income and recovery issues as pointed out in Bryan Gaynor’s column?

    I have no doubt that the Green gains in Germany will be mirrored here simply as the alternatives are so tunnel focussed on do nothingness.

    Just be mindful that the responsibility, the electorate will mandate to the Greens, needs to be followed up with action that addresses the very real, and very current fiscal, problems as seen in New Zealand today.

    How confident are the Greens that they can address these fundamental fiscal issues?

    Will the current policies outlined be sufficient to cover the situation today or will the greens release more uptodate policies targetting the worsening fiscal situation?

  5. The co-leaders are the party leaders. The PM is a different office and officer. Perhaps chosen on a different basis, or perhaps alternating months PM and deputy PM swap.

    It is a problem I would like to have.


  6. Or maybe “both in”. That would be something the Greens have not until now anticipated. Maybe a Green “out of Government” Leader, separate from the Co-Leaders?

    I still like the potential German scenario, though – Green Party leading a Coalition Government.

    But I agree there has to be strong leadership in the Party outside of those who enter Government. Just to keep the bastards honest. Political power corrupts, and I will never pretend the Greens are immune from that, however much I respect the Green Co-Leaders and MPs who are doing a wonderful job at the moment.

  7. @bjchip Gareth said that having one out of cabinet and one in was a possible solution but that that bridge would be crossed when they reached it since the vote is not up there quite yet.

  8. This is the goal people. Labour is crawling. We can run. We have the MPs to be able to do this.

    I do remember asking the question though… how do we pick the PM?

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