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Published in THE ISSUES by frog on Wed, April 6th, 2011
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General debate, April 6, 2011
Published: April 6, 2011
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This Government loves borrowing and appears to excel in creating deficits. With the premature release of their energy strategy they have revealed a huge deficit in visionary thinking as well!
http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.com/2011/04/too-many-deficits.html
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Signs of demographic pressure on the price of homes and rent in Auckland.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4853873/Property-market-soars-in-Auckland
If this government survives this election, it will lose the 2014 election because of high rents and a return to overcrowding in rentals.
It deserves to lose this election for mismanaging the economy and having having a programme to do more of the same in the following 3 years.
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@sprout 11:51 AM
They only love those things because they help to manufacture the economic crisis necessary to justify slashing public spending and privatising state assets to their wealthy supporters, which is what they really love.
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Toad, totally agree and yet even when National talks such economic nonsense there are many who just accept what they say. It is a simple economic truth that if it is possible to pay a debt immediately it will cost you less overall. By paying of our house we have saved thousands in interest and yet this Government openly chooses the expensive option. There are people who benefit from this kind of fiscal management and but are not the “Mums and Dads” of New Zealand!
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Sharples thinks a 2 million dollar toxic plastic Waka is a good idea, says it all really.
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Brownlee promises inflatable, plastic Christchurch…
Love it!
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Looking after the environment does not look after the economy.
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Can anyone tell me how the Greens emissions trading scheme would work? Does the money stay in the country? Do the emissions get traded on the share market?
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Phil, the Greens’ Climate Change policy for the last election is here.
It obviously needs an update, given National’s gutting of Labour’s already weak ETS, but should give you a pretty good idea.
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Could we please employ somebody to interpret what Shonkey Honkey is saying?
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Frog, thanks for the link
“the Green Party will:# Require consistent emission reporting standards (input methods) for the voluntary market
# Support legitimate voluntary carbon markets to an international standard, not a domestic hybrid.
# Support market mechanisms that seek primarily to create genuine emission reductions rather than just profits. The Green Party will reform the ETS in the following ways:
# Set a domestic cap on emissions, which will require some of the reduction to take place within NZ. This will be done by limiting the quantity of overseas credits purchased as a proportion of the credits that must be surrendered.
# Link our ETS to overseas carbon markets such as the EU, where they are soundly based, to boost market confidence and liquidity.
# Bring Transport into the ETS as planned in 2009, but with phased allocation.
# Ensure that the taxpayer’s liability in 2012 is covered by emitters as quickly as possible.”
First question – how can one “require” anything for a “voluntary” market?
2nd – What is a “carbon market”? In what sense is it “voluntary”?
3rd – from whom do we “purchase credits”?
4th – taxpayers liability to whom?
5th – who are we to give money to, and what right do they have to our money?
6th – do the shares get traded on the sharemarket?
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tell me frog – why do you allow racially offensive terms to be used, repeatedly?
It is because racial abuse is ok if it’s aimed at pakeha, or because it’s aimed at national?
Do you allow racially offensive language aimed at Metiria, or Nandor, or the Governor General?
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phil, please note that the ETS references in the current policy are out of date, because they were written about a law that no longer exists. I expect an updated policy will come out before the election. It is extremely unlikely that it will address the National/Maori Party ETS except to repeal it entirely, because it is such a disaster. Expect a very different approach. In the meantime it is pretty pointless to discuss the details of an obsolete policy, which is probably why you’re finding it so difficult to find anyone that will do so.
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Valis, this being the case, why is it being promoted in the election pamphlet? Surely we are not expected to support a policy which does not exist? We would have to be gullible morons to do that. Is it a secret policy? This is as joke! You have people pacing the streets promoting a policy which does not exist!
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I don’t know what you’re talking about. I have in front of me the latest Green Parliamentary newsletter, GreenTimes, which only complains about the shortcomings of the ETS. What are you reading and are you sure you’ve read it correctly?
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You are right Valis. The statement about emissions trading is very vague. The greens have not said what this would entail at all. General public perception is that the greens support an ETS but it seems we do not have a plan for this at all. It seemed like a reasonable assumption that if the greens were recommending emissions trading we would have a policy for it. Perhaps it is a secret. Very odd!
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Since it seems you missed it, I’ll just repeat my answer to you in the April 3 thread:
What “greens emission trading scheme”? Greens support is for a system very different from National’s ETS. We have advocated for a carbon tax since 1993 and fought for this until the LabNats nixed the idea in 2005. We then said we’d support a cap and trade scheme and negotiated the first ETS with Labour, while they were also negotiating with NZF. The Labour ETS was far from perfect and didn’t even include an emissions cap and we came close to rejecting it. But we supported it in the end to get a price on carbon and to establish the billion dollar home insulation scheme. National then gutted this already weak ETS, making it next to useless. We voted against the National ETS.
Our policy now, while being reviewed, is what’s left from the current policy after you remove the outdated ETS stuff, i.e. effectively a carbon charge. But much more specific information will come out when the policy review process is complete, so just hold on.
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Asshole of the Week Award
http://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2011/04/asshole-of-week-award.html
Is John Key an idiot or a liar? That is the question one must ask when our supposed leader makes incorrect statements that have no basis in reality. I’m not talking about the supposed 10,000 Christchurch houses that were going to be demolished when Mr Key had no intelligence or the BMW claims of ignorance when Key knew all about them etc… I’m talking about being able to get some basics right like measurements, something that any competent leader should be able to achieve without effort.
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Nick Smith’s introduction to the Government’s Freshwater Reform Report says all the right things, but…
http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.com/2011/04/but-will-he-walk-talk.html
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There are those here who think that the economics are secondary, that they do not matter.
They will
http://boards.fool.com/the-break-when-it-comes-will-come-swiftly-29227195.aspx
Gold and Silver will go up, the NZ dollar will go up in terms of US $ but may hold vs the Aussie and the Renminbi.
The world will change and it will never go back to being what it was. Of course, it never does that, does it?
BJ
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Russel’s dirty river tour had a last minute shift of focus from the Oreti River to the more pressing concerns of the Waituna Lagoon, which is showing clear signs of flipping.
http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.com/2011/04/sun-shone-on-waituna.html
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