by frog
The National Party expects that people drag themselves and/or their kids off to the doctor, even when they might be puking or sneezing all over the place but have no need for medical attention, just to satisfy a bad employer’s unreasonable suspicion that the illness may not be genuine.
Result: The bug gets spread around to heaps of other people, who will also need time off work. Bad look, Kate!
Published in Economy, Work, & Welfare by frog on Sat, September 18th, 2010
Tags: Holidays Act, industrial relations, Kate Wilkinson, sick leave
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
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A very one sided argument presented here. What bout the bad employee who the good employer is forced to suffer. You appear to live in a world of extremes where the rational is employee always good, employer always filthy capatalist pig.
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Under the current law, and employer can require an employee to get medical evidence of his/her or children’s illness for one day off if the employer has “reasonable grounds” to suspect the employee’s application for sick leave is not genuine.
What this proposed law does is extend that to allow an employer to require that when there are not reasonable grounds for such a suspicion.
Do you really think people with a cold or flu should be having to go to their doctor, and spread their germs to everyone in the waiting room, when they have no medical reason to need to be there?
And as implied in the video, often people can’t get a doctor’s appointment on the day of their illness anyway.
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Sometimes passive resistance is just as effective as active resistance.
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TOAD SAYS “Under the current law, and employer can require an employee to get medical evidence of his/her or children’s illness for one day off if the employer has “reasonable grounds” ….”
So what employer is going to fork out $60 for a doctors certificate if they think someone is genuinely sick?
In the real world this law will not change a thing for the vast majority of employers or employees.
It will be used in places like the meat industry which has an appalling record for false sickies (what are the statistical chances that 300% more people get sick on any given Friday compared to Thursdays?)
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toad says “si, I don’t think it is a one-sided argument at all.”
Of course it is. The video is very misleading. It makes if look as if she could get sacked if she can’t get a medical certificate.
It FAILS to say that if she can’t get an appointment, it is up to the EMPLOYER to arrange an appointment (and pay for it).
So it is wrong to suggest that it will affect her employment if she can’t get a medical certificate – that’s totally misleading.
Which is probably the whole point of the video.
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It is most irresponsible for this blog to provide unqualified medical advice to the public. If my 7 year old child was ‘puking’ I would certainly take him to a GP.
I call on frog blog to amend or withdraw this comment.
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More proof that this ‘Govt.’ is pushing an Elitist, master & servant mentality.. once people turn 18 they are considered ADULTS.. this regime is giving the employers, the right to treat employees like ‘naughty school kids.. wagging from class’.. WAKE-UP its 2010 not 1910 !! Kia-ora
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Allan Speedy,
Do you really take your kids to the doctor when they are puking? You must have a lot of spare cash. I can’t ever remember going to the doctor when I was a kid and was puking (I guess I probably did once or twice); it was usually enforced bed rest and no dairy products until it was all better. I apply the same treatment to my kids, and can only remember one or two times when I’ve felt the need to take them to the doctor.
Frog’s comment is not irresponsible as far as I’m concerned.
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Yes, it may be a harmless virus. However vomiting is one of the symptoms of meningitis.
It is irresponsible for ‘know all’ socialists on this blog to offer unqualified medical advice.
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There are a number of other symptoms of meningitis too, Allan Speedy. Of course if someone has suspicions from other symptoms that their child has a serious illness, or if the child is vomiting over a protracted period, they should take the child to the doctor.
But most instances of vomiting in children are not caused by serious illnesses and do not require medical attention.
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Allan Speedy is just exhibiting a quite common trait amongst modern parents. Their kids cannot play on the monkey bars because its too risky they might fall. They must be supervised at all times in case harm comes to them (the so called “helicopter parent” syndrome), and they must see a medical professional for the slightest knock they receive. If the child is naughty at school, he or she must be sent to a psychologist to find the underlying cause of the naughtiness and so on.
Parents just need to toughen up and let their kids get dirty and suffer a few knocks and bangs; not every illness is life threatening and needs specialist attention.
But hang on a minute … I call myself a socialist … in one breath the likes of Allan Speedy accuse me of offering unqualified medical advice (to toughen up and let the kid puke without seeing a doctor), yet in the next breath they’ll be complaining about the nanny state putting in too many regulations in order to protect people from themselves. It seems one cannot win.
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Allen; – check for reactive fizz – ie; ACT somehow escapes demolition, Gnats get re-elected etc etc…regards
Dr Mark(only $20 too!)
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One can’t help but think that employers dragging purrelent employees to the doctor’s to get a sicknote is not the best public health measure ever conceived…
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samiuela says “Do you really take your kids to the doctor when they are puking? You must have a lot of spare cash. ”
Why do you need cash when the EMPLOYER is the one that has to pay if a medical certificate is requested?
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