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Published in THE ISSUES by frog on Wed, July 28th, 2010
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General Debate 28th July 2010
Published: July 28, 2010
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Lhaws & Peters! Gotta be my worst nightmare! But wouldn’t a relaunch make it the New Zealand Second Party?
And is Parliament big enough to accommodate both David Garrett AND Micael Lhaws?
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Toad; The bright side is ACT will likely disappear.
Winston was a headache in Parliament. Accomplished sfa.
Just like Helen Clark’s scowl got voted out – giving us the current ‘default mode’ government, the current Mob have done enough to go the same way.
Bad weather for the Right….Mikey has the ‘Julius Ceasar’ syndrome bad – the two of them?
Great – just not in power…and their ego’s are too large for either to be anything but blatant, crude and repulsive.
Both are addicted to living off the public – neither could be called a ‘servant’ to NZ – their shopping is all self-help.
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World Bank Report warns on Farmland grab trend…http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/62890172-99a8-11df-a852-00144feab49a.html
The report whilst it focusses on land in the developing world could equally apply to the overseas land grab here…..
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national radio have an interview with victoria braithwaite..
she is the scientist who experimented on fish…
..and has proven how/that fish do indeed have central nervous systems/brains…
..and that yes…they do feel pain…
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon
(maybe someone should email this to pete bethune..
y’know..!..that guy who ‘protects the whales’..
and has his favourite fishing spots..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Phil, are you knocking Bethune and singing the praises of someone who experiments on fish?!? … eh?? ..
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I know some Labourites who figure when the new GST Hike hits our shaky Economy – people will feel the pain where it hurts most.
I think the Gnats have seriously misread our Economy, especially in terms of small business.
But then – none of the Cabinet have any experience in this field – how could they recognise the signs of impending disaster?
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[Stolen from the Dim-Post]
NZ First relaunch = NZ Second.
NZ First relaunch + Lhaws = NZ Whirst.
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Laws and Peters said to be lining up for NZ First ‘relaunch’
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Despite bits of policy the Greens can refer to (like DNA which has redundant bits) you haven’t done a good job of standing up on behalf on the Kiwi lifestyle. On migration Keith Lockes message has been ” we are humanitarian, not exclusionary, we don’t see our culture as superior”…. oh and the foreshore and seabed (and sun and moon) go to tangata whenua.
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If anything, I suspect that ACT will grow in popularity – remember, National has turned into Labour Lite and that is likely to piss off many on the right wing of the National Party (if it hasn’t pissed them off already, I know of a few people who voted ACT last election because they didn’t like the direction National was going in).
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NZ First relaunch + Lhaws = NZ Whirst – pronounced in the Whanganui dialect, as in “NZ Worst”.
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Maybe NZ Thirst?
Anything is possible -I don’t hang out with any Political Cadre – but poverty brings people out in numbers at election time – and that vote never swings Right.
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NZ Cursed
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fin@1:00 is correct.
The Feds and the greedier farmers can’t bear the thought of turning away ca$h buyers!
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mebbe the Fed’s Mr. Nicolson – fin was I so pleased to hear about all the general in rural enzed – has a bid in for the crafarz.. and his latest lol is really some kind of option related to his reciprocity.. you no think..?
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i am pointing out that paradox…so rife in many ‘green’ circles…
..of emoting all over the place about one species…
..while capturing/killing/eating other…to some minds…
…equally ‘valuable’/worthy-of-emoting-over species..
..got that..?
and if that cap fits bethune…?
..eh..?
(yr ‘hero’ has feet-of-fish…eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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“As an Anglo European white guy from a very long line of white guys, I want to thank all the brown, black, yellow and red people for a marvellous three-century joy ride. During the past 300 years of the industrial age, as Europeans, and later as Americans, we have managed to consume infinitely more than we ever produced, thanks to colonialism, crooked deals with despotic potentates and good old gunboats and grapeshot. Yes, we have lived, and still live, extravagant lifestyles far above the rest of you. And so, my sincere thanks to all of you folks around the world working in sweatshops, or living on two bucks a day, even though you sit on vast oil deposits. And to those outside my window here in Mexico this morning, the two guys pruning the retired gringo’s hedges with what look like pocket knives, I say, keep up the good work. It’s the world’s cheap labour guys like you — the black, brown and yellow folks who take it up the shorts — who make capitalism look like it actually works. So keep on humping. Remember: We’ve got predator drones.”
More: http://powerdownkiwi.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/got-sent-this-a-good-wee-read-ht-to-kevin/
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” If anything, I suspect that ACT will grow in popularity – remember, National has turned into Labour Lite and that is likely to piss off many on the right wing of the National Party ”
What Labour did was very popular – working for families, zero-interest student loans, reversing Ruth Richardson’s slashing of health funding and brutal cuts to welfare, ending the privatisation fetish – these things Labour did are things Kiwis voted for, liked, and did not want to vote out (or at least so all the opinion polls said). National got themselves elected only by promising not to repeal them.
But “right wing of the National Party” is a funny place these days. You can more easily got in in an uneasy alliance of not-quite-agreeing interests in opposition, but tensions become more obvious when you’re in government.
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TUHOE FEEL THEY GOT A GOOD HEARING FROM ANAYA
Still on that topic, Tuhoe activist Tame Iti says the iwi felt it had a good hearing from United Nations special rapporteur James Anaya about the Operation 8 terror raids and the prime minister’s veto of part of its treaty settlement, and it hopes the Government will heed his eventual recommendation.
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I wonder if Anya read this:
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxDlVXu
http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxEI2kE
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“..reversing Ruth Richardson’s slashing of health funding and brutal cuts to welfare..”
i beg your pardon…?
labour did sweet f#ck all to ‘reverse those brutal cuts to welfare’…
..to this day..they stand…
and that is their ‘shame’..
(and a major cause of the underclass-whirlwind we are now reaping..)
where on earth did you get the/any idea they had..?
..are they saying/pretending that..?
and of course..once labour had sorted out the problems for the unions…
those unions also did sfa to help/support those most f#cked over by shipley/richardson…
they both kept their mouths shut..and sat on their hands…
..and that is their ‘shame’…
eh..?
(and we are about to see history repeat…eh..?..
..with it about to be open-season on those worst-off..once again…)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Rimu’s posting was very interesting: I’ve felt for years that ‘the market’ is a kind of god that has to be placated by its worshippers. Every time some event that is significant to these adherents happens they watch the god Market anxiously for signs of approval or disapproval, then try to ‘talk it up’.Truly bizarre!
The environmental economy is the only one that ultimately matters – but this strange religion behaves as though it doesn’t exist.
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Big Up’s for Party Central!
Piss up and stuff up!
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Where are you Bill, when your neighbours need you?
Karori is not in Southland, it’s true, but Dipton is.
Show us where your heart really lies. (continue reading)
http://robertguyton.blogspot.com/2010/07/neurosurgery-and-state-of-bills-heart.html
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labour did sweet f#ck all to ‘reverse those brutal cuts to welfare’…
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Oh the irony coming from an intelligent able bodied person who doesn’t work.
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http://robertreich.org/post/863304269/the-great-decoupling-of-corporate-profits-from-jobs
So why is it that some parties here think that doing this here is going to work any better? The money is locked up, the jobs are exported and the country as a whole is in an ever deepening hole.
respectfully
BJ
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bj – Your theory is proved wrong by
-2007 (record profits in NZ leading to the lowest unemployment in decades and highest wage rate growth in years)
-2008/09 (plummeting profits leading to highest unemployment in years, and stagnation in wage growth), and
-2010 (profits gradually increasing leading to a small drop in unemployment and mild wage growth).
There seems to be a disconnect with some greens that increased spending in education, health etc, more jobs, higher wages, etc, is ALL conditional on businesses being more profitable.
Yet we could be excused for thinking many greens are anti-profit, and anti-business.
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Ethnic Defection – Balkan Style: The fate of the former state of Yugoslavia offers a tragic rejoinder to all those New Zealanders (Maori and Pakeha) who see no dangers in posing the question: “Why not apart?”
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2010/05/coming-apart-or-holding-together.html
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Attn Green party:
“And while the world is gradually moving to new kinds of clean energy technologies the insurance market warns that there could be shortages of earth metals and other raw materials needed to help them thrive.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/11/peak-oil-energy-disruption
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“The Burke River in Mt Aspiring National Park. Since 1990, mineralogists have known that deposits of “Baotite”, a carbonatite rock containing the “strategic mineral” Niobium, exist in and around the Haast Pass area. Niobium is crucial to the maintenance of the United States’ global air superiority [and alternative energy whirly gigs].”
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2010/04/scraps-of-evidence.html
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Attn David Clendon
” will be a matter of time before our shores and seabeds will be exclusively maori owned,”
http://my.greens.org.nz/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=79240&qid=3156125
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Taranaki coastal rights claim
“Customary title would give the iwi the right to decide which developments can and can’t go ahead, and would allow them to put their own developments on the area. ”
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“Te Atiawa is the first of seven iwi with a coastal boundary in Taranaki to show an interest in seeking customary title after Maori struck a deal with the Government last month.
A successful claim would guarantee the iwi the deed to the coastal area, giving it greater control including the right to veto or initiate development.
They iwi would also have the right to some minerals, such as ironsands, beneath it.
However, under the proposed legislation Maori who are granted customary rights would not be able to sell or restrict public access to the land.
To establish customary title, iwi will need to prove they have had exclusive use and occupation of the area since 1840.
A successful claim would guarantee the iwi the deed to the coastal area, giving it greater control including the right to veto or initiate development.
They iwi would also have the right to some minerals, such as ironsands, beneath it.
However, under the proposed legislation Maori who are granted customary rights would not be able to sell or restrict public access to the land.
To establish customary title, iwi will need to prove they have had exclusive use and occupation of the area since 1840.
A successful claim would guarantee the iwi the deed to the coastal area, giving it greater control including the right to veto or initiate development.
They iwi would also have the right to some minerals, such as ironsands, beneath it.
However, under the proposed legislation Maori who are granted customary rights would not be able to sell or restrict public access to the land.* [access doesn't necessarily mean fish but is similar to using a walking track over farmland]
To establish customary title, iwi will need to prove they have had exclusive use and occupation of the area since 1840. [I believe they are talking about relaxing the requirements..... all things are possible as with over turning the 90 mile beach case (ie unless other NZ'rs stand up for their rights.. )]
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3908099/Taranaki-coastal-rights-claim
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Greens endorse foreshore stand
The Green position on the Foreshore and Seabed has been endorsed at the party’s annual policy conference in Dunedin today (Sunday). The Green Party believes that public access to the foreshore can be guaranteed [guarantess "access and navigation" but not utilisation] within a framework that recognises Maori customary title and Kaitiakitanga,[what's wrong with people with degrees in marine biology?] which will also protect the environment [and allows development]. It should be clarified in law that this ancestral collective title cannot be converted into individual freehold and sold [but can be leased.. and who is to say what will happen with a change to the generational mindset]. “The position endorsed by party members at today’s conference session is that any removal of customary title amounts to confiscation,” said Green Co-leader Jeanette Fitzsimons. “We believe this arrangement is a more genuine and enduring guarantee of responsible public access than crown ownership as proposed by the government [the crown is (esentially) the people- ask law lecturer David Round of Canterbury University]. As we’ve seen with rail, Telecom and our forests, crown ownership today is no guarantee of crown ownership tomorrow [hardly compares with the "big back yard"]. “Instead, our proposals provide a durable solution for the foreshore, grounded in honouring Te Tiriti [the Green Party also endorsed Meteria Turies remit that they adhere to the Maori version of te tiritti preserving the tribes "forests and fisheries" = "big back yard"]. “We have yet to see the final shape of the government’s planned legislation for the Foreshore and Seabed. Our response will be grounded on the principles endorsed today,” said Ms Fitzsimons.
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