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Published in THE GAME by frog on Tue, April 6th, 2010
Tags: food labelling, general debate, United Nations, yes men
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
That General Debate thread’s well back in the line, Frog!
We’re not seeing a lot of reports on the Pete Bethune issue in our papers (or blogs) right now, are we. Imperator Fish has this link (below) to the Guardian, which has a good story.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/02/japan-indicts-sea-shepherd-activist
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National Standards, eh! Read this (it’s long!) and weep.
http://publicaddress.net/6462#post6462
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80% crop failure
Monsanto GM-corn harvest fails massively in South Africa
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/270101
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Can you imagine Gerry Browncoal Brownlee, performing a pirouette?
Here he is, spinning for all he is worth.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10636478&pnum=0
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Gerry thinks about Mt Ruapehu.
http://www.paulfmorris.com/Sculpture_Legacy/FoodPile_View3_webopt.jpg
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Aoraki
http://www.cakethat.com/choc%20mountain%20011.jpg
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Gasoline and oil prices climbed to 18-month highs Monday as a batch of new economic reports provided more signs that the economy is back on steady footing and demand for crude will follow.
The worry now among some analysts is whether gasoline pump prices are starting to approach a level that could choke off the recovery.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i5TtajgUpSm7KY5jf-lCJGHBB-tAD9ET3NS82
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4 out of 10 want to leave Las Vegas
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/mar/25/wanting-out-las-vegas/
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Is it Green party policy to have 60 Maori seats in the house or just your female co-leaders idea?
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http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
A20
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Oliver, is that a comment about compulsory vs voluntary student unions?
For comparison, do you feel offended that you were given the citizenship of the place where you were born, or that you pay taxes in the place where you live?
If not, is it because your parents and/or you had choices about whether to have kids and/or whether to live there? Would an argument like that work for student unions and going to university?
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You might want to rethink your comments…
“For comparison, do you feel offended that you were given the citizenship of the place where you were born, or that you pay taxes in the place where you live? ”
You can renounce citizenship without needing to pay any money or get a 10% majority of the countries support to hold a referendum for that purpose. You can avoid paying taxes through various means such as a good acoountant and being a hermit, you have no such rights under CSM with the Sas that charge.
“If not, is it because your parents and/or you had choices about whether to have kids and/or whether to live there? Would an argument like that work for student unions and going to university?”
I find it hard to believe you’re arguing along this line…
You’re suggesting that MrOliverI’s parents based their decision to have a child solely on the means of whether CSM was going to be around or not (yes you probably didn’t your statement was going to be intepreted like that but it has I’m Afraid)but I can guess that MrOliverI was concieved before the 1989 Admendments so it wouldnt have even crossed their minds remotely…Who in their right minds bases the decision to have a child around a SAs fee that MIGHT happen in the future
Universities are not subject to zoning either, the students are generally of responsible age, your whole argument is a bit pathetic.
and of course article 20 of the Un human rights etc….
s17….
rights of individuals has to be allowed
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No, it’s not like citizenship to a country.
Countries have thousands of pages of law that govern what they can and cannot do.
They are a public institution, not an incorporated society.
There are a number of elected members in charge with a variety of viewpoints, checks and balances in place to avoid corruption, and ultimately buy in by a majority of NZers as a majority takes part in elections
The fundamental issue is of course article 20 of the UN UDHR that “No one may be compelled to belong to an association.” Regardless of my opinion on the student association itself the UN says no one may be compelled. If you support this declaration, then you are for student choice. Clearly the Greens are against this declaration. So their opinion on human rights is null and void until they start supporting them.
Let me know when being a citizen applies to student unions and then maybe we can talk about that comparison.
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Hi Oliver,
Re “thousands of pages of law”, no Westminster parliament can bind a future parliament, modulo the 1984 Labour government, and the following National government signed a bunch of treaties, at least one of which prevents a NZ music quota on radio.
Re the “elected members”, Student Union leaders are elected, in so far as students care, although there is a difference in that Student Union presidents generally do not want repeat business.
As Stephen notes, going to a particular university is more optional than being born in a particular place.
If “being a citizen applies to student unions” were to start happening, how do you think that would show? I.e. what do you mean by the demand?
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Okey, lets put this as simply as possible the UN UDHR says “No one may be compelled to belong to an association.”
Therefore, this should apply to associations – agreed? great!
A student’s association is an association – agreed? great!
New Zealand is not an association – agreed? great!
So therefor being compelled to be a member of a students association is against UN UDHR A 20 and has absolutely nothing to do with a silly contention about citizenship
Socratic reasoning – wins every time
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Nobody is compelled to belong to a student association. Not going to university is less illegal than tax evasion, which Stephen recommended.
When New Zealand helps to invade Afghanistan in my name, using my money, it seems fairly much like an association to me.
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@jc2
I did not at all recommend tax evasion. In NZ and in other countries in regard to monies you own there are ways of making it so you can pay very little tax at all that are perfectly legitimate.
and NZ helped because the OK was given and we stay becuase we are needed to help stop women being forced into marriage and to allow children to fly kites freely- or are you against that?
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1) If education is a fundamental right, why should taking part encroach on other rights thats silly!?
2), Students are financially compelled to be members of students association as their student membership fee is not reimbursable. So the only way to derive any benefit from that sunk cost is to maintain membership.
3) “it seems fairly much like an association to me” as profound as that statement is, for legal purposes being a citizen of a country is not the same as being a member of an association.
4) You still haven’t addressed the fact that the UN UDHR says that people should not be compelled to be members of an association, a students association fits under this category, as I have explained under point 2) students are compelled to be members of this association. That is what the issue is, not any of this citizenship red herring waffle – focus!
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So Big Gerry tried to get the taxpayer to pay for his legal costs consequent on his assaulting Neil Abel at the 1999 National campaign launch:
I suppose that, unlike Double Dipton’s housing allowance, Gerry at least now admits it wasn’t appropriate.
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Ger!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3468/3894208169_fec4076d67_o.jpg
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ROFLMAO. How do you find these, ‘fly?
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I have a ‘Gerry’ file.
It’s bulging at the seams.
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Tumeke!
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National falling in the polls.
Metiria leads the news with a good old rip into ‘em.
I like this.
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Keith speaks up about Waihopai and down you go a bit.
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You wish.
Most people view the Government’s talk of further prosecution of the three balloon-busters as spitefulness.
They are right.
Keith is right.
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Very disappointing to see Iwi selling out in such a disgraceful way, there is no way anyone can trust Maori any more than other races when it comes to our natural heritage, this is a sell out plain and simple.
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Shunda – the ‘dude in America’ was taking a life, wasn’t he?
I’m surprised you didn’t notice that detail.
If I’ve overlooked the part where the Christian trio killed someone, then I will change my opinion altogether.
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‘Iwi paid’ … you sound surprised Shunda. Did you think that ‘iwi’ were magical fairy folk, unsullied by the world of money?
(You’re thinking, “patupaiarehe”)
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I’m puzzled by the suggestion that we should consider letting US Navy ships back in. We never stopped them from coming here. We just said that nuclear powered or nuclear armed vessels were not permitted, so any US ship or plane is allowed here if they are prepared to state that it doesn’t have any nukes on board. In their position, I would simply transfer any nukes to another vessel before a visit to a foreign port for safety anyway.
I think we could consider allowing nuclear powered vessels if they meet certain safety standards. The russians developed some nuclear powered icebreakers although my understanding is that some of them can’t come here because they can’t operate in tropical waters and are therefore stuck in the northern hemisphere.
Trevor.
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I’m surprised you didn’t notice that detail.”
Yes the guy is a nutter, but the point is he thought he really was saving lives and did try the same defence as the dome slashers.
The precedent is scary, if you really feel you are doing the right thing then ok then, it is ridiculous.
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“‘Iwi paid’ … you sound surprised Shunda. Did you think that ‘iwi’ were magical fairy folk, unsullied by the world of money? ”
I think it is sad that’s all.
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I’m not sure yet that it’s true. Link please.
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Shunda – you are extrapolating out from a particular incident to a general rule, as you do, and you shouldn’t, because it just upsets you and doesn’t follow logically.
The jury looked at the Waihopai events and made their judgement (Yay!) but it is not a precedent to anything at all, simply ‘the thing that happened there and then to them”.
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Well greenfly I hope you are correct because a justice system relative to the individual would be bad, very very bad.
And I can see your point re “extrapolation stations” but I also think generalising can be good at times to cut to the chase so to speak.
The big picture is made up of lots of littler pictures after all isn’t it?
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Shunda – those three globe-deflaters, they’re not bad fellows, don’t you think?
You wouldn’t want to see them in a cold, unforgiving jail cell, would you?
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Can’t see what the fuss is about frankly
They can share the bottom bunk
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“I would rather lose in a cause that will some day win, than win in a cause that will some day lose.”: Woodrow Wilson
Good eh?
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I just don’t know any more
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Pundit X on The Standard:
“Key is modernising the National Party – his message to them is follow the money not your prejudice and they will. A modernised National Party could capture the centre ground of New Zealand politics for some time to come.”
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