Comments on: Canterbury DHB needs to rethink drug rehab policy http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/ hopping along the corridors of power Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:39:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111761 greenfly Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:26:22 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111761 Jesus!

Jesus!

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]]> By: Paul http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111756 Paul Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:12:25 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111756 "greenfly Posted March 15, 2010 at 5:35 PM That is weird Toad! All the David’s I know are stoners!" There maybe something to this. If you look at the "Inquiry into the Public Health Strategies Related to Cannabis Use and the Most Appropriate Legal Status" report of the Heath Committee (August 2003) [anybody remmember that?] and specifically look at the index of individual submitters you will see they are listed alphabetically according to Christian name. I use the phrase Christian name deliberately because that seems to apply as biblical names seem to have to dominate and some are particularly well represented. David is one, but so are Andrew, Ben, Chris, Daniel, James, John, Michael, Mark, Mary (if you adjust for the dominance of male names), Paul, Peter, Phil and Stephen.

“greenfly
Posted March 15, 2010 at 5:35 PM
That is weird Toad!

All the David’s I know are stoners!”

There maybe something to this. If you look at the “Inquiry into the Public Health Strategies Related to Cannabis Use and the Most Appropriate Legal Status” report of the Heath Committee (August 2003) [anybody remmember that?] and specifically look at the index of individual submitters you will see they are listed alphabetically according to Christian name. I use the phrase Christian name deliberately because that seems to apply as biblical names seem to have to dominate and some are particularly well represented. David is one, but so are Andrew, Ben, Chris, Daniel, James, John, Michael, Mark, Mary (if you adjust for the dominance of male names), Paul, Peter, Phil and Stephen.

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]]> By: Mark http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111250 Mark Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:25:00 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111250 Katie; Thank you - I had to read your original Post twice before I suspected we may just have seen the same thing. Further I agree with your 7.04 Post entirely....since the 80's Cutbacks in funding have reduced our remaining services to abominations of their mission statements. I too have found a lot of great people who work inside a System so dysfunctional they are suffering in their helplessness. A great Book on Med. Ethics is M Scott Peck's 'Denial of the Soul'. I consider it required reading for people who work in this field. The term 'Conspiracy Theory' is one i view with a good deal of cynicism. The fact is that with the advent of the Net, information has never been so accessible - patterns, never so easy to prove. Part of my shock came upon returning to NZ. There was a Labour Govt. in Power and the Health Minister's Office lay between my place and Wgtn Hospital. Thus I assumed that I had the mechanisms to engage and be usefull. That Labour Government did not give a brass dime for Public Health. They had Muldoon's ethos - ie; If you don't like it Leave - and Kiwis are still bailing in record numbers. Our Best people live in Australia - and are respected highly there. We Need the Green Party - that's my considered opinion. Apart from looking out for a few loved one's caught up in the fiscal frost - I've returned to looking after injured/mistreated animals - at least I can BUY them good Health and Care. More strength to you Regards Mark

Katie; Thank you – I had to read your original Post twice before I suspected we may just have seen the same thing.
Further I agree with your 7.04 Post entirely….since the 80′s Cutbacks in funding have reduced our remaining services to abominations of their mission statements.
I too have found a lot of great people who work inside a System so dysfunctional they are suffering in their helplessness.
A great Book on Med. Ethics is M Scott Peck’s ‘Denial of the Soul’.
I consider it required reading for people who work in this field.

The term ‘Conspiracy Theory’ is one i view with a good deal of cynicism.
The fact is that with the advent of the Net, information has never been so accessible – patterns, never so easy to prove.

Part of my shock came upon returning to NZ.
There was a Labour Govt. in Power and the Health Minister’s Office lay between my place and Wgtn Hospital.
Thus I assumed that I had the mechanisms to engage and be usefull.
That Labour Government did not give a brass dime for Public Health.
They had Muldoon’s ethos – ie; If you don’t like it Leave – and Kiwis are still bailing in record numbers.
Our Best people live in Australia – and are respected highly there.
We Need the Green Party – that’s my considered opinion.

Apart from looking out for a few loved one’s caught up in the fiscal frost – I’ve returned to looking after injured/mistreated animals – at least I can BUY them good Health and Care.
More strength to you
Regards
Mark

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]]> By: katie http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111235 katie Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:04:12 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111235 Hey Mark, totally agree with you there; my experience as a student on clinical placement in the 80's in a psych hospital was enough to make me change my career options then and there. I still know a lot of folk with alternative psychological presentations who won't go near the public health services due to previous bad experiences, and generally have either learnt to cope through cognitive adjustment, or found alternatives to the FDA-approved medication schedules. (Much of which I believe is designed to kill via side-effects! But that's another conspiracy theory I won't go into here...) There are still a lot of good people within the public health system, but the policy being handed down from the top is not always in the best interests of staff or patients - and I know some psych nurses personally who are under terrific pressure. Really, the only good answer I can see to this is roll the government, and PDQ.
Hey Mark,

totally agree with you there; my experience as a student on clinical placement in the 80′s in a psych hospital was enough to make me change my career options then and there.

I still know a lot of folk with alternative psychological presentations who won’t go near the public health services due to previous bad experiences, and generally have either learnt to cope through cognitive adjustment, or found alternatives to the FDA-approved medication schedules. (Much of which I believe is designed to kill via side-effects! But that’s another conspiracy theory I won’t go into here…)

There are still a lot of good people within the public health system, but the policy being handed down from the top is not always in the best interests of staff or patients – and I know some psych nurses personally who are under terrific pressure.

Really, the only good answer I can see to this is roll the government, and PDQ.

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]]> By: Mark http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111187 Mark Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:12:32 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111187 Katie; So we do indeed have the ingredients of a de-facto Capital Punishment without Trial syndrome, dwelling in our Health System? Forgive me if I misunderstand - but part of the reason I know longer do Volunteer Work is the mistreatment inherent in so many of our Institutions in NZ. I would not feel confident in taking anyone with psychological or substance abuse Problems to our Local Health Care Providers - experience has taught me they do more harm than good. Basically I've been to far too many unnecessary Tangi's where the Parents are present. I've seen enough genuinely horrific things to last a lifetime - not in Oz or the US, but uniquely Here.
Katie; So we do indeed have the ingredients of a de-facto Capital Punishment without Trial syndrome, dwelling in our Health System?

Forgive me if I misunderstand – but part of the reason I know longer do Volunteer Work is the mistreatment inherent in so many of our Institutions in NZ.
I would not feel confident in taking anyone with psychological or substance abuse Problems to our Local Health Care Providers – experience has taught me they do more harm than good.
Basically I’ve been to far too many unnecessary Tangi’s where the Parents are present.
I’ve seen enough genuinely horrific things to last a lifetime – not in Oz or the US, but uniquely Here.

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]]> By: Mark http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111186 Mark Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:02:19 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111186 Unfortunately the 'Just Say No' approach does nothing to inhibit the Causal Factors of Substance Abuse - it may work for some who are too young to have made that decision, but, somehow, I doubt it.
Unfortunately the ‘Just Say No’ approach does nothing to inhibit the Causal Factors of Substance Abuse – it may work for some who are too young to have made that decision, but, somehow, I doubt it.

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]]> By: Nuke http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111162 Nuke Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:32:17 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111162 This Govt could sell Nancy Regan's "Just say no" drugs campaign to the Public. The Right in America still love that Campaign even though all the evidence says it was a complete waste of time - Just like abstinence rings. I bet John Key believes in "trickle down" they are just to smart to say

This Govt could sell Nancy Regan’s “Just say no” drugs campaign to the Public.

The Right in America still love that Campaign even though all the evidence says it was a complete waste of time – Just like abstinence rings.

I bet John Key believes in “trickle down” they are just to smart to say

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]]> By: jc2 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111158 jc2 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:57:28 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111158 What would happen if a DHB consulted the public about which kind of services (eg addiction treatment vs std treatment) to stop providing at all?

What would happen if a DHB consulted the public about which kind of services (eg addiction treatment vs std treatment) to stop providing at all?

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]]> By: Nuke http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111149 Nuke Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:36:43 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111149 All DHB's are under a huge amount of pressure currently. All based around financial considerations. I am currently employed by a DHB and I've never seen anything like it. This is the right-wing ideologues pushing their agenda by stealth, all they have to do is squeeze the budgets and the DHB's will make there own cuts, thus Key will look squeaky clean At the beginning this was meant to be until the new financial year, now I heard that this will go on into next year So expect more short term expedient policies like this and the Southland one (cutting home help for the elderly) and eventually we all realise that our excellent public health system has been down graded and we have subsidised the creation of a private sector (probably based on the expensive and widely discredited US model)
All DHB’s are under a huge amount of pressure currently. All based around financial considerations.

I am currently employed by a DHB and I’ve never seen anything like it.

This is the right-wing ideologues pushing their agenda by stealth, all they have to do is squeeze the budgets and the DHB’s will make there own cuts, thus Key will look squeaky clean

At the beginning this was meant to be until the new financial year, now I heard that this will go on into next year

So expect more short term expedient policies like this and the Southland one (cutting home help for the elderly) and eventually we all realise that our excellent public health system has been down graded and we have subsidised the creation of a private sector (probably based on the expensive and widely discredited US model)

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]]> By: katie http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111085 katie Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:20:12 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111085 After Hamner Springs was closed as a Drug & Alcohol Rehab Centre, the unit was moved back into Canterbury DHB responsibility in Christchurch. It doesn't have flash premises any more, but there is still a policy around AOD (as this paper shows), and still delivery within Canterbury DHB. Privately, the is also Ashburn Hall in Dunedin, which handles a variety of issues from addiction to general mental health concerns. Mark, it is possible to get help through the public health system, but not all information is easy to access, and some health professionals can be judgmental or dismissive if approached through frontline medical intervention areas like A&E departments. It seems from this report that bias against those whose addictions have led them to criminal activity is alive and well in Christchurch.
After Hamner Springs was closed as a Drug & Alcohol Rehab Centre, the unit was moved back into Canterbury DHB responsibility in Christchurch. It doesn’t have flash premises any more, but there is still a policy around AOD (as this paper shows), and still delivery within Canterbury DHB.

Privately, the is also Ashburn Hall in Dunedin, which handles a variety of issues from addiction to general mental health concerns.

Mark,

it is possible to get help through the public health system, but not all information is easy to access, and some health professionals can be judgmental or dismissive if approached through frontline medical intervention areas like A&E departments.

It seems from this report that bias against those whose addictions have led them to criminal activity is alive and well in Christchurch.

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]]> By: Mark http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111044 Mark Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:09:43 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111044 Joke Frog! The NZ Ministry of Health doesn't DO Rehab. Unless locking people away and letting them go 'cold turkey' counts. You'll Live or you won't And Frankly my Dear nobody gives a damn

Joke Frog! The NZ Ministry of Health doesn’t DO Rehab.
Unless locking people away and letting them go ‘cold turkey’ counts.
You’ll Live or you won’t
And Frankly my Dear
nobody gives a damn

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111036 greenfly Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:35:47 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111036 That <i> is </i> weird Toad! <i> All </i> the David's I know are stoners!
That is weird Toad!

All the David’s I know are stoners!

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]]> By: toad http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/03/15/canterbury-dhb-needs-to-rethink-drug-rehab-policy/#comment-111032 toad Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:06:37 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=10253#comment-111032 Anyone else pick up from the link that the Canterbury CADS head's name is David <b>Stoner</b>?
Anyone else pick up from the link that the Canterbury CADS head’s name is David Stoner?

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