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City of Sails Sales

Published: March 12, 2010

by frog

One good thing has come out of the furore over Auckland Super City: Auckland will be getting a new logo.

Gone will be the amorphous A of Auckland City only to be replaced with the fruit of your minds eye.

The world is Auckland’s oyster logo-wise and the Auckland Transition Agency (ATA), in their limitless wisdom, has decided—in perhaps the most democratic move of the whole process—to let anyone in Auckland design the new logo.

Aucklanders now have only one week to submit their entries to the ATA and be in to win the $10,000 prize and to have their logo emblazoned on everything from letterheads to the front of the Auckland Council building.

Bob Harvey, who is on the panel of judges said there have been many interesting entries. I wonder if he has seen this one which I got sent yesterday:

Rodzlog

You can submit your own entries, serious or otherwise, here.

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Published in Justice & Democracy | THE ISSUES by frog on Fri, March 12th, 2010   

Tags: ATA, Auckland, Auckland supercity, Bob Harvey, Competition, democracy, Logo, Rodney, rodney hide, super-city

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  1. toad
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 1:04 PM

    Just like everything else with the super shitty, the decision has already been made by Rodney Hide.

    But I have managed to get a copy, so here it is.

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  2. jh
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM

    Given that the the Greens are the nice party how can they run a campaign and skirt the obvious (that this is about population growth and who benefits)? If the greens wont protest mass migration do they have some system for ensuring that we don’t end up with a situation where only a minority can enjoy some sunlight and space?

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  3. Andrew
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 1:18 PM
    I think they should stick with the logo Auckland City Council has now. They spent alot on the brand change and the logo looks quite good. Why spend yet more money on this? I’d rather the money were spent on sorting out the transport mess.

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  4. toad
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 1:23 PM

    Come on jh. Regardless of what we may think on population and immigration issues in Auckland, the priority in Auckland has to be to maintain some democratic control by Aucklanders rather than have almost all the decisions about what the city will be like in future made by Directors of Council (Un)Controlled Organisations appointed by Rodney Hide.

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  5. jh
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 2:06 PM

    the priority in Auckland has to be to maintain some democratic control by Aucklanders
    ….

    provided we exclude the arrival of zillions of people from that democratic control bit. :wink:

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  6. jh
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 2:13 PM

    I’m worried about the Greens immigration back stop “carrying capacity” as expressed by this writer:

    “The limits of carrying capacity are excruciatingly difficult to discern, because resources are distributed so inequitably and used so wastefully. But that does not mean such limits do not exist. And I don’t have to tell you that, for many ecosystems, those limits are near — or have already been surpassed.”

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  7. Raptor
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM

    There aren’t a zillion people in the world… However, stats NZ expect Aucklands population to double by 2050. They need to start growing up rather than out and need to start conserving resources rather than wasting them. New Zealand can sustain more people, and will have to take pacific climate change refugees. It is about starting taking them now and building essential infrastructure like public transport and improve electricity efficency, water management etc so that we can handle these people.

    Every ecosystem has a capacity. You can only fit so many Rodney Hides clowns in the mini.

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  8. jh
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 2:24 PM

    Lets face it Green Party policy is expand until we see (the whites of the eyes of) carrying capacity (and that may not be nice).

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  9. jh
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 2:31 PM

    Raptor says:

    They need to start growing up rather than out
    ===
    told ya
    apartments for Kiwis. Of course that’s what immigrants are trying to escape so they will be buying at the top end (as usual).

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  10. Valis
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 2:54 PM
    jh, you cannot simply shut the doors and put up a “closed” sign, behind which we can wallow without a care. We have to get smarter about a whole host of issues to save our environment. Besides, if we don’t do something about the exploding cow population we won’t have much of an environment left to protect – why aren’t you more concerned about that population issue?

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  11. Raptor
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 3:08 PM

    Le sigh. jh, I don’t know if you’ve looked at Google maps lately but you should. Here is a link even http://bit.ly/blzNTu

    It is fairly sprawling for it’s population size.

    The urban area of Auckland is 1,086 km squared. Given proper city planning, under a democratically elected Super City council, you’ll have park and open spaces for community activity. If people want to live somewhere you can’t stop them, but you can make the area sustainable and liveable and attractive.

    Also the Greens do have a policy on foreign ownership: http://www.greens.org.nz/foreignownership

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  12. forestgreen
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 3:23 PM

    No one who values their creativity would go near this competition with a 10 foot barge-pole. It’s a complete rights-grab, and entrants have to agree to “waive all moral rights”. It is chilling to think that the ATA thinks that this is a suitable attitude, and disgraceful for any quasi-government agency not to be following the NZ creative industries’ competition guidelines at http://www.compginz.org.nz
    As a former creative, Bob Harvey should be having nothing to do with it.

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  13. john-ston
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 6:49 PM

    “It is fairly sprawling for it’s population size.”

    Not really; the use of the urban area is somewhat misleading because it also includes the large number of parks that exist within the Auckland urban area, such as the Domain, Barry Curtis Park, &c. I have read that Auckland is second only to Sydney in terms of density in Australasia.

    Irrespective, sprawl is not necessarily a problem – the densest city in the United States is Los Angeles and we all know the problems that plague the City of Angels.

    “Come on jh. Regardless of what we may think on population and immigration issues in Auckland, the priority in Auckland has to be to maintain some democratic control by Aucklanders rather than have almost all the decisions about what the city will be like in future made by Directors of Council (Un)Controlled Organisations appointed by Rodney Hide.”

    The problem is that the decisions would not be made by the people, they would be made by politicians. In Australia, the politicians tend to make decisions based on their best chances of getting re-elected and that means that most infrastructure investment is in marginal seats.

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  14. jh
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 6:56 PM

    Valis Says:

    “jh, you cannot simply shut the doors and put up a “closed” sign, behind which we can wallow without a care.”

    —-
    it’s our duty to share the overpopulation of the rest of the world……. How Noble!!! :roll:
    And Keith likes his roll as St Peter (St Keith) welcoming folks to Godzone.

    http://www.greens.org.nz/immigration

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  15. Valis
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 9:18 PM
    Neither Keith nor I have said that, which is I guess why you have to keep making such things up. I just pointed out that simplistic solutions such as yours will not solve our problems. And you haven’t yet told us what you’re doing about the exploding bovine population?

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  16. SPC
    Posted March 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM

    Oh stop threadjacking jh – immigration is only a “General” thread topic at present.

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  17. jc2
    Posted March 14, 2010 at 7:46 PM

    Re jh and Raptor:

    Population growth and sprawl is why Rodney will be part of Auckland: so another round of property developers can sell low-density housing.

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