Comments on: New Conservation Minister off to a bad start with DOC review http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/ hopping along the corridors of power Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:39:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105706 greenfly Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:42:06 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105706 Does John Key find uranium 'sexy' in the way Gerry Brownlee does coal? I think so.

Does John Key find uranium ‘sexy’ in the way Gerry Brownlee does coal?

I think so.

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]]> By: earthaerial http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105699 earthaerial Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:00:34 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105699 Not really on topic, but Gerry Brownlee on Radio National breakfast show just before 8.00 this morning discussing mining in our national parks; talking up RARE EARTH elements as being something they may be aiming for in there. http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=rare+earth+minerals&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a He believed that the mining operation for these would be very small and non-invasive. Obviously he hasn't seen this: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/july-dec09/china_12-14.html Though only holding 50% of the supposed reserves, China currently supplies 95% of the world's requirements [mostly by undercutting other suppliers]. The need for these minerals in clean/green technologies such as wind turbines may soon be used as a stick to try and beat the environmental movement into line - but even China admits extraction is having a heavy environmental toll.

Not really on topic, but Gerry Brownlee on Radio National breakfast show just before 8.00 this morning discussing mining in our national parks; talking up RARE EARTH elements as being something they may be aiming for in there.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=rare+earth+minerals&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

He believed that the mining operation for these would be very small and non-invasive.

Obviously he hasn’t seen this:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/july-dec09/china_12-14.html

Though only holding 50% of the supposed reserves, China currently supplies 95% of the world’s requirements [mostly by undercutting other suppliers]. The need for these minerals in clean/green technologies such as wind turbines may soon be used as a stick to try and beat the environmental movement into line – but even China admits extraction is having a heavy environmental toll.

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]]> By: PM Watcher http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105223 PM Watcher Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:34:13 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105223 No Angela, we are not a democracy. Rodney Hide took that away from us by refusing access to select committee process. To even suggest that government will listen to us over something that can feed their greed suggests that you are naive.

No Angela, we are not a democracy. Rodney Hide took that away from us by refusing access to select committee process. To even suggest that government will listen to us over something that can feed their greed suggests that you are naive.

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]]> By: Angela Birchall http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105218 Angela Birchall Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:46:31 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105218 Why shouldn't she want to know? Is she a pawn? 'Any moves to curtail...' - this is based upon speculation, therefore presents as a beat-up. A review is not necessarily a move to curtail. Patently neither the Government nor Doc is 'enshrined' in legislation. We are a democracy. Why can advocacy not be reviewed willy nilly? Surely anything can be? Are we afraid our advocacy does not bear scrutiny? To review is transparency, a part of democracy. I like the countryside as it is too, but let us not be afraid; we number more than an opposing Government. Let the review happen and let the findings come forward. New Zealand will respond based upon these.

Why shouldn’t she want to know? Is she a pawn? ‘Any moves to curtail…’ – this is based upon speculation, therefore presents as a beat-up. A review is not necessarily a move to curtail. Patently neither the Government nor Doc is ‘enshrined’ in legislation. We are a democracy. Why can advocacy not be reviewed willy nilly? Surely anything can be? Are we afraid our advocacy does not bear scrutiny? To review is transparency, a part of democracy. I like the countryside as it is too, but let us not be afraid; we number more than an opposing Government. Let the review happen and let the findings come forward. New Zealand will respond based upon these.

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]]> By: katie http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105161 katie Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:38:06 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105161 Oh, that's the way to go, guys, DIY is the best!!! :-)

Oh, that’s the way to go, guys, DIY is the best!!! :-)

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105153 greenfly Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:38:57 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105153 Write on Shunda! - (mine's been running hot for years). Glad to hear you're getting into publishing.

Write on Shunda! – (mine’s been running hot for years).

Glad to hear you’re getting into publishing.

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]]> By: Shunda barunda http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105150 Shunda barunda Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:12:31 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105150 Greenfly, did you realise you can now get a laser printer for $130 bucks? I am thinking of starting a little printing press!!
Greenfly, did you realise you can now get a laser printer for $130 bucks?
I am thinking of starting a little printing press!!

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105145 greenfly Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:00:30 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105145 bingles - they'll use the scare over the national parks to ease the passage of their lignite mine at Mataura (South Island). It will be huge, but as you call for, under farmland. So it's okay. Right? Spinny spin, spin.
bingles – they’ll use the scare over the national parks to ease the passage of their lignite mine at Mataura (South Island). It will be huge, but as you call for, under farmland. So it’s okay. Right?
Spinny spin, spin.

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]]> By: bingles http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105090 bingles Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:49:18 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105090 Entertaining how two thirds of NZ's mineral wealth is NOT in the conservation estate... but lets concentrate on the one third that is... is National really that suicidal? I will be standing in front of bulldozers and chaining myself to trees before I allow any mining in national parks... go mine a sheep farm and do that environmentally you drongo's.
Entertaining how two thirds of NZ’s mineral wealth is NOT in the conservation estate… but lets concentrate on the one third that is… is National really that suicidal? I will be standing in front of bulldozers and chaining myself to trees before I allow any mining in national parks… go mine a sheep farm and do that environmentally you drongo’s.

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105088 greenfly Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:41:25 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105088 Bro - re voting from inside - I believed that prisoners were still citizens of New Zealand and therefore could legally vote. I understand why they have lost their freedom of movement, but don't understand why they would lose their freedom to vote. Why do you think they shouldn't be able to vote and have you resiled from your opinion that they shouldn't be able to vote on their release either (as stated by you on Kiwiblog)?
Bro – re voting from inside – I believed that prisoners were still citizens of New Zealand and therefore could legally vote.
I understand why they have lost their freedom of movement, but don’t understand why they would lose their freedom to vote.

Why do you think they shouldn’t be able to vote and have you resiled from your opinion that they shouldn’t be able to vote on their release either (as stated by you on Kiwiblog)?

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]]> By: SPC http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105087 SPC Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:32:47 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105087 Clearly Nicholson gets it that his farmers and mining companies that despoil the environment are birds of a feather, just as farmers and property landlords are allies in CG tax avoidance.
Clearly Nicholson gets it that his farmers and mining companies that despoil the environment are birds of a feather, just as farmers and property landlords are allies in CG tax avoidance.

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105085 greenfly Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:44:46 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105085 Katie! What a delicious expose of the Pudgy Penguin! You've made my day and that, on top of Shunda's coming-of-age calls for celebrations in my household tonight! There's Elderberry Wine to be tried. Bro's attempts to throw cold water over us is more refreshing that upsetting, so I'll raise my glass to him as well! PM Watcher - it's liberating to let it out on occasion and you do it with style!
Katie! What a delicious expose of the Pudgy Penguin!
You’ve made my day and that, on top of Shunda’s coming-of-age calls for celebrations in my household tonight! There’s Elderberry Wine to be tried.
Bro’s attempts to throw cold water over us is more refreshing that upsetting, so I’ll raise my glass to him as well!
PM Watcher – it’s liberating to let it out on occasion and you do it with style!

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]]> By: Skinman http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105082 Skinman Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:27:43 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105082 Don Nicholson's at it again. I for one would be very happy if the Greens start chucking rocks back at Fed Farmers. Why not start a war with them? After all, if you're battling for the environment then it is good to have an obvious target. http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/opinion/3310145/We-ve-got-it-so-when-do-we-start-to-flaunt-it
Don Nicholson’s at it again. I for one would be very happy if the Greens start chucking rocks back at Fed Farmers. Why not start a war with them? After all, if you’re battling for the environment then it is good to have an obvious target.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/opinion/3310145/We-ve-got-it-so-when-do-we-start-to-flaunt-it

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]]> By: PM Watcher http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105081 PM Watcher Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:17:08 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105081 Thanks Katie, I hate having an unexplained aversion to people, but DPF just fits all the profiles of people you have to wash your hands after you've seen them, heard them, heard of them. You have just confirmed my intuitive attitude towards him. I wonder how much arm twisting was required to have him on the good morning show? He hardly fits their 'beautiful people' profile. Mind you, Paul Henry...another failed National follower. Is TVNZ the graveyard of the rightwing hopeless and the obscene? Apologies - I will try to desist from allowing this mean part of my sunny personality to cover up my sun.

Thanks Katie,
I hate having an unexplained aversion to people, but DPF just fits all the profiles of people you have to wash your hands after you’ve seen them, heard them, heard of them. You have just confirmed my intuitive attitude towards him.

I wonder how much arm twisting was required to have him on the good morning show? He hardly fits their ‘beautiful people’ profile. Mind you, Paul Henry…another failed National follower. Is TVNZ the graveyard of the rightwing hopeless and the obscene?

Apologies – I will try to desist from allowing this mean part of my sunny personality to cover up my sun.

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]]> By: katie http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105073 katie Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:50:20 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105073 He did the crime, he should do the time ... see how it feels when your own policy jumps up & bites you on the bum? Can't find anywhere else to shove this, so sorry for the threadjack, frog, but here's where out-of-towners can watch Jeanette's valedictory speech, 5.45pm: http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/AboutParl/SeeHear/PTV/ [frog: Thanks katie, I've just just highlighted this info with its own post.]

He did the crime, he should do the time … see how it feels when your own policy jumps up & bites you on the bum?

Can’t find anywhere else to shove this, so sorry for the threadjack, frog, but here’s where out-of-towners can watch Jeanette’s valedictory speech, 5.45pm:

http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/AboutParl/SeeHear/PTV/

[frog: Thanks katie, I've just just highlighted this info with its own post.]

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]]> By: Shunda barunda http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105072 Shunda barunda Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:43:32 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105072 Gee Katie that's pretty scathing!!

Gee Katie that’s pretty scathing!!

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]]> By: katie http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105070 katie Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:20:01 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105070 'fly - thanks for posting Gordon's link. Funnily enough, I've banned DPF - after he got quite abusive about me a couple of years ago, threatening my children & offering that if someone who knew me could post my address <i>'he'd get someone to go round & sort me out'</i>, which led to a whole side-discussion about <i>'bradfording'</i>, then he was politely hinted to that what he'd posted was illegal, & he took a few comments off the post. I have an offline copy. Oh, and you're bang to rights - he's short, bald, fat and completely without self-control; and firmly believes that sex is merely a transaction, rape doesn't exist (only women who haven't been paid enough ...) and a few other pearlers of intelligent cognition. Generally turns up to Journalism awards with local well-known paid escorts, lol. (I mean, 'highly motivated young businesswomen'...) This is the man who was Don Brash's private press secretary pre-2005 elections, lol. Shame John Key didn't keep him on really, he'd have done them another injury & we wouldn't be discussing the piss-poor performance of National's Government this week....
‘fly – thanks for posting Gordon’s link.

Funnily enough, I’ve banned DPF – after he got quite abusive about me a couple of years ago, threatening my children & offering that if someone who knew me could post my address ‘he’d get someone to go round & sort me out’, which led to a whole side-discussion about ‘bradfording’, then he was politely hinted to that what he’d posted was illegal, & he took a few comments off the post. I have an offline copy.

Oh, and you’re bang to rights – he’s short, bald, fat and completely without self-control; and firmly believes that sex is merely a transaction, rape doesn’t exist (only women who haven’t been paid enough …) and a few other pearlers of intelligent cognition. Generally turns up to Journalism awards with local well-known paid escorts, lol. (I mean, ‘highly motivated young businesswomen’…)

This is the man who was Don Brash’s private press secretary pre-2005 elections, lol.
Shame John Key didn’t keep him on really, he’d have done them another injury & we wouldn’t be discussing the piss-poor performance of National’s Government this week….

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]]> By: big bro http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105069 big bro Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:16:48 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105069 I do understand your position Shunda. But these bozo's are not the ones to join, they are very good at finding issues that touch peoples hot buttons (environment with you, animals with me) they then pretend to care about that issue while doing nothing other than advancing their own version of hard left politics and "social justice". Make no mistake, the Greens are not the ones to join if you want to fight this.

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]]> By: Shunda barunda http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105068 Shunda barunda Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:00:16 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105068 "Shunda Don’t do it! " Well bro what should I do? You have a passion for animals and I have a passion for our natural heritage and I can't bare the thought of big Gerry digging it all up. I know you understand my position.
“Shunda

Don’t do it! ”

Well bro what should I do? You have a passion for animals and I have a passion for our natural heritage and I can’t bare the thought of big Gerry digging it all up.
I know you understand my position.

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/02/09/new-conservation-minister-off-to-a-bad-start-with-doc-review/#comment-105067 greenfly Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:58:48 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=9422#comment-105067 Bro - I'm offended that you accuse me of telling lies, because I don't. Never mind. I don't expect you to change. He banned me, by his words, for impersonating him (I ran a quick and, I thought, funny, series, where I demerited myself for trifles, under his name, though really, it was because I called him 'jelly-belly, or words to that effect. Criticising Key was the reason for my second ban. I have to race off to work now (true, of course) and can't get to a computer til around 4. I will do that.
Bro – I’m offended that you accuse me of telling lies, because I don’t. Never mind. I don’t expect you to change. He banned me, by his words, for impersonating him (I ran a quick and, I thought, funny, series, where I demerited myself for trifles, under his name, though really, it was because I called him ‘jelly-belly, or words to that effect. Criticising Key was the reason for my second ban.
I have to race off to work now (true, of course) and can’t get to a computer til around 4. I will do that.

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