James – that bird on the flag that hangs behind Hide and Douglas when they address their loyalists, is that a vulture?

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James – ‘pray’ and ‘prey’ have different meanings.

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“James-
You are on the wrong blog. Nobody here supports your elitist fantasies, go play at Kiwiblog.”

What “elitist fantasies”? Helping the current poor become no longer poor is an elitist fantasy?

The poor can go to hell as far as you people are concerned right Katie?

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Yep. Can’t understand why simple phrasing isn’t getting through.

James-
You are on the wrong blog. Nobody here supports your elitist fantasies, go play at Kiwiblog.

(oh, did anyone see the smack in the face Kiwiblog got in the Dompost? Friday’s, I think… http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3321329/MP-in-ferry-diversion-drama
the ferry company regularly has folk get on the wrong boat, and has a routine behaviour for solving the problem – only DPF would assume that there could only be a ‘fix’ if someone pulled rank – Fullers are a much more ‘equal opportunity’ service providor than that!)

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Roger ‘turn up the Vivaldi dear, the screaming of the sows is becoming intolerable’ Douglas?

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James – his mum still lies awake at night, gnawing on her candlewick bedspread.

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“Yes, we all hate JUSTICE and the poor. That explains everything. OR perhaps you’re certifiably out of you’re mind. It just HAS to be one extreme or the other. I can’t see any other options.”

You DO hate justice…thats why you lefties witter on about “equality” without any thought to the unequal input of effort between those who are better off and those who compared to them are not.Now Im meaning those who create wealth by working and serving their fellow man in open free trade and competition…not the fringe dwellers who are either crooks,won lotto or who inherited money.

Fact is the guy with the skills to earn $20,000 a year does not deserve to be living the lifestyle of the guy with the skills to be making $250,000 a year….sorry if that makes you cry but thats reality….and just.The only area where both should be treated equally is before the law…in the defence of their individual rights.

A just and moral society (meaning one with a true free market and limited,rights protecting government)allows the $20 thou guy the chance to match and beat the $250 guy….IF he wants to,upskills himself and makes the effort.

You DO hate the poor….because you want to keep them that way by advocating tierd failed solutions that never relive them from their plight…indeed you further entrench them into it.Intergenerational welfarism anyone…?

For example what leftie has offered a proposal such as Roger Douglas has to seperate superannuation from the greedy hands of pollies by having everyone open a personal account to which they contribute the money, formally taken by the state and squandered leaving a pile of IOU’s for future generations, through their working lives that just earning bog standard bank intrest with the magic of it compounding over time would return well over a million dollars on retirement day? Add in the incentives that that prospect presents to people who would be incentivised to take far greater care of their health and personal lives to make sure they were around to enjoy what would in effect be similar to a garanteed 1st division lotto payout and you start to see the big picture of whats possible if we start to do things right…

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The problem with the extreme right, James as you would know, is that they believe that everyone wants to be like them. WRONG. Judging by many polls showing the huge numbers of people who actually like the laid back NZ way of life, there are many likeminded people out there who don’t need to stab others in the back or concentrate only on making money to feel good about themselves. Sadly, the greed is so ingrained that nothing else is enough for the sad and the grasping to feel good about themselves. That’s the gap in NZ.

Start a group – oh you have – the NationalAct Party? Ahhh Thought so.

The other problem of course, James, is that without a poor, desperate and indentured workforce there would be no haves and havenots for the egotistical nutjobs to imagine that someone out there envies them. So the rich nutjobs will do whatever it takes to keep that gap alive and growing and providing cheap labour. Therefore, all your hyped up solutions through your masters Joyce and Key and Hide are lies, spread to make the poor think you actually care. Shame on the right for their betrayal of New Zealand and heartland New Zealanders.

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So I don’t understand why Lindsay is harping on about the increase of sickness and Invalid benificiaries cant she make more constructive comments on how to create work and improve the health system?”

She did…with ACT.Shrinking the state…(which is THE main cause of all the subsequent issues we have to deal with),freeing the market (no dear we have not a had a free market in NZ for decades if ever)and allowing said market to allocate rewards and penalties accordind to its fundermental principle …JUSTICE.

The solutions have always existed…but the clash with the envy ridden socialist control freak agenda so are of course not to be considered.

If you really cared about the plight of the poor and desperate you would consider all options…you aren’t so you won’t.

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Drak-

two things;
talking therapies do generally work better, for some kinds of non-organic psychological disturbances, but staff cost money.
It also seems to be a therapy that works better for women, for a number of reasons, but mostly that women talk more easily, with less anxiety about disclosure than men. (ok, big generalisation)
A prescription for Pharmac-subsidised meds is so much cheaper. (IF it works…)

and Lithium is used for several presentations; it’s a co-receptor to neuro chemicals, which in some organic psychiatric conditions needs to be supplied because the ‘normal’ biochemical pathway has been disrupted.

[I still read New Ethicals, the pharmaceutical industry publication, intermittently - it may be available in the research section of your local public library, or you could search medsafe website for info on Pharmac-approved meds]

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Solkta; that sounds awfull I am sorry that you lost a friend. I have so very little faith in modern psychiatry, that if I were to go a bit ‘bats in the belfry’I would do it privately but then again I could be a danger to all around me.

I am an admirer of Carl Jung who advocates talk therapy. Why all the drugs? There have been breakthroughs but not much one is lythium treatment for schizophrenia and catscans to locate tumors.
Katie is lythium a drug or just a trace element?

I just think we still know very little about the mind.

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Henry

“Its not in anyones interest to cancel welfare.”

That is debatable, however, it is in every bodies interest to make it a lot harder to get and to set strict time limits on those who do receive it.

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solkta –
that is exactly the kind of thing I found in my heart I could not be part of administering or supporting. I was at loggerheads with the current thinking, and abhorred most of the Psychiatrists I worked under.

I am sorry that you have seen a friend go in this way.
I’ve had many friends with complicated psych diagnoses over the years since (prolly, ‘cos I don’t flinch, I understand what’s wrong with them, and I have no fear of the ill, just compassion) – many of whom have slowly deteriorated, some due to the underlying condition, some due to the side-effects of the pharmaceutical regime they submit to.
It’s hard enough for someone who has a psych condition to just function, let alone fight the system to get what they might be entitled to, or even just keep a roof over their heads.

NGO agencies usually pick up the slack, like the Night Shelter and the Home of Compassion Soup Kitchen, here in Welli. But some towns just don’t have those kind of services, and the MSD and MOH systems don’t offer anything to cover the basics for the life-time disabled.

It’s something that I have friends involved in, from a different perspective, creating alternative solutions to the punitive ones laid out by government agencies. (cue dopey hippy song, ‘I get by with a little help from my friends’ … sing along in your own time … )

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I have not noticed any of PM Watcher’s posts before, so if you are new to this site I say welcome aboard your contributions make worthwhile reading.

What Katie is saying also makes sense I mean in Christchurch they have closed down Sunneyside long ago. I noticed the change, there were some very colourful characters walking around, people who don’t really know how to look after themselves. When I had a Studio at the Arts Centre one character rolled in covered in grass and I could he had been drinking petrol!!!

So It is only a matter of time that such people get physically sick and terminally ill. If they were looked after properly it would save all that expense and heartache.

So I don’t understand why Lindsay is harping on about the increase of sickness and Invalid benificiaries cant she make more constructive comments on how to create work and improve the health system?

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