I am extremely admired for Google’s bravery to challenge the China government and try their best to protect the customers’ privacy. However, if Google never enter China market again, that would be more difficult for foreign people to search about China. I personally wish the China government can improve the human rights policy.

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Google has been dealing with an array of problems in China over the years.
When you consider the emerging business opportunities in China, Google of course would love to be in the middle of this growth. That being said, their presence may have chipped away at the image that Google wanted to project to the world. Still at the end of the day, Google is a business that pays close attention to public opinion and how that opinion could affect their future business. One only need take a quick look at the China based search engine Baidu.com to see how much money is at stake. Baidu is one of hottest traded stocks around.

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Hi this jimmy Wilson thanks for the information u provide,

However, google will soon became clear that what at first appeared to be solely a security incident–albeit a significant one–was something quite different. Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on Google, we have discovered that the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties.

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Mouse I thought “pravda” lay it on pretty thick (but yeah sure monopolies like Microsoft and Google don’t appear and sustain themselves without co-opreation with their security establishment and consequent complicity from their government). It’s a “happy coincidence” that the current relations between Google’s government and China enables them to be on the side of human rights for now.

But to cite the inside rogue op line, everytime something like a hacking or a 9/11 occurs, is why a person would have to handle themselves “pravda” (to mock themselves before others did).

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A different and interesting perspective on this thread…>

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article16486.html

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Mark said:
“I have never known the chinese other than as pragmatic honest traders…”

A problem that we encounter at work is electronic components being supplied to us which have all the correct markings from the approved manufacturer, but the quality isn’t as good. Perhaps the writing is slightly blurred or the wrong colour. On investigation, we find that the components are fakes, with inferior performance and more likely to fail. It can be hard to identify just where these came from but the Asian region in general is usually implicated and often there will be at least one Chinese person or company that is implicated or at least has turned a blind eye.

Trevor.

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I have never known the chinese other than as pragmatic honest traders…
Google is more corrupt than a boatfull of Lawyars
and accountants
take ‘alf the effin world with ‘em…

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I’d second SPC on that – it’s more likely that Google just weren’t getting paid for as much information as the Chinese internet security agency was taking.

After all, the USA with its’ Patriot Act requires all telecommunications (landline, mobile and internet) within the USA to be available for intelligence agencies to scan – bit harsh of Google to complain about China, when their own jurisdiction back home is far more intrusive, far more dictatorial, and surveilling most of the citizens of the USA to a very much higher degree than was ever permissable before 2002.

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Maybe they were checking to see whether all of the information they had been asked for had been supplied by Google. Or maybe they were paranoid that whenever they asked for information from Google they would pass on this information to someone in the US government who would then warn the Chinese people concerned.

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I doubt the chinese government has been trying to hack into gmail, because for a (low) fee google (and yahoo, msn, etc etc) will provide any government with whatever ‘private’ information they ask for.

I’ve seen the price list on wikileaks

Although perhaps the chinese government wanted so much data that they couldn’t afford it, or who knows…

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Echelon was already tracking all communications – by keyword search.

All the change involves is the “system” is required by law to have the ability to track all of a targeted individuals communications and allow access to this (historic record) more easily than before (and with less ability for any questioning of this process and with less accountability to anyone with a role to protect the human rights and civil liberties of the person being surveillanced).

Of course it can be argued that if China had this capacity they would identify democratic (human rights) activists as threats to their regime and surveillance them – but they would already have human rights and democracy on their own keyword search surveillance systems.

So I guess in the end, it’s not about the capacity of “government” to surveillance, it’s about who they choose to surveillance and for what purpose. But the ability of government to surveillance society more easily is of itself changing the balance of power between government and people in our democracies and thus changing the society in which we live for the worse (said to be the price we have for security – but in an age where there is growing fear of middle class awareness about their becoming part of the underclass with the development of global elites holding a huge share of the worlds wealth, one wonders if democracy is itself in a state of managed change towards the China model).

One day the Chinese communist government may one day rule China through a form of parliamentary consent (where opposition to their government is still suppressed) and “by this time” this may be closer to the form of government we have in the West than we would like to think.

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> The aim of the attack was to pull information about the emails sent and received by Chinese human rights activists using Gmail.

Then I am looking forward to reading that Google is pulling out of New Zealand after news that New Zealand Human Rights Activists (and everyone else) will have their email scanned by Echelon styled ‘data dictionary’ parsers… Google wont want to participate in the cell phone network as that is tracked and traced too. Although, the New Zealand Government could use as it defence that Google set the bar when they arbitrarily removed from the cloud, Google’s ‘mildgreen.blogspot.com’ containing more than a thousand social comments much of it inconsistent with dominant political ideology.

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