Comments on: Copenhagen 9: Let Us Refuse to Acknowledge ‘Defeat’ http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/ hopping along the corridors of power Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:17:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Valis http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99699 Valis Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:44:10 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99699 Yes, no reason to pay attention to a little obstructionist when there are so many big ones around. Would be interesting to know if NZ would have got more attention had we played a more constructive role. Certainly our one good idea of the agricultural research fund got some notice.

Yes, no reason to pay attention to a little obstructionist when there are so many big ones around. Would be interesting to know if NZ would have got more attention had we played a more constructive role. Certainly our one good idea of the agricultural research fund got some notice.

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]]> By: BluePeter http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99696 BluePeter Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:31:11 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99696 Not all of us can fly around the world and attend these meetings, Frog. Did those watching the "world stage" really take any notice of lil ol' us? Very little mention of us at all: http://tinyurl.com/yga6hyv New Zealand of declining interest generally: http://tinyurl.com/yl7l33q

Not all of us can fly around the world and attend these meetings, Frog.
Did those watching the “world stage” really take any notice of lil ol’ us?

Very little mention of us at all: http://tinyurl.com/yga6hyv

New Zealand of declining interest generally:

http://tinyurl.com/yl7l33q

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]]> By: frog http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99694 frog Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:14:26 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99694 NO BP. Tuvalu were simply asking for a legally binding treaty, for which Groser called them 'extremists' who were wasting the conference's time!

NO BP. Tuvalu were simply asking for a legally binding treaty, for which Groser called them ‘extremists’ who were wasting the conference’s time!

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]]> By: BluePeter http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99693 BluePeter Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:06:00 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99693 Dunno, I wasn't there. Were Tuvalu trying to claim that flooding wasn't the result of the island sinking?

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]]> By: frog http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99691 frog Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:00:29 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99691 BP: I think Tim Groser's behaviour was very embarrasing on the world stage. Playing the bully with our pacific neighbours was poor form diplomatically and poor form neighbour-wise. The fact that we were not alone with our embarassing target doesn't make it any less embarassing!
BP: I think Tim Groser’s behaviour was very embarrasing on the world stage. Playing the bully with our pacific neighbours was poor form diplomatically and poor form neighbour-wise. The fact that we were not alone with our embarassing target doesn’t make it any less embarassing!

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]]> By: Valis http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99686 Valis Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:31:46 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99686 Leaders in shame. Terrific.
Leaders in shame. Terrific.

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]]> By: BluePeter http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99680 BluePeter Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:00:02 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99680 BTW: Key was right, huh. Nobody cares what NZ brought to Copenhagen, because nobody brought much at all to Copenhagen. We weren't "embarrassed" on the "world stage". In fact, we came out of it "leading". http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/come-to-copenhagen-john/ "Of course, I think the real reason he’s not going must be that he’s ashamed to have to defend the fact that New Zealand has just weakened its response to climate change at a time when the rest of the world is stepping up to the challenge."

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]]> By: BluePeter http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99678 BluePeter Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:50:42 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99678 <blockquote>if we insist, perversely, that the South put their numbers on the table with vice-like ‘measurement</blockquote> Because this is war. The North didn't get to be the North by being nice. The North got to be the North by being vicious. We may think we're above history, but that's what the mirror still reveals.
if we insist, perversely, that the South put their numbers on the table with vice-like ‘measurement

Because this is war.

The North didn’t get to be the North by being nice. The North got to be the North by being vicious.

We may think we’re above history, but that’s what the mirror still reveals.

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99677 greenfly Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:46:11 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99677 The huge mussel farms off the coast at Kaikoura and the lifting of the aquaculture moritorium?

The huge mussel farms off the coast at Kaikoura and the lifting of the aquaculture moritorium?

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99675 greenfly Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:39:59 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99675 Like the wholesale ...sale, of huge tracts of Southland farmland to the Dubians? That kind of thing?

Like the wholesale …sale, of huge tracts of Southland farmland to the Dubians?
That kind of thing?

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]]> By: Mark http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99673 Mark Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:30:59 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99673 No 'General Debate' thread Frog? With respect there is a plethora of interesting developments happening right here and right now. Whilst Copenhagen is a crucial event - can we afford to let others use it as a screen to slip other important and controversial matters through whilst our attention is diverted so?

No ‘General Debate’ thread Frog?
With respect there is a plethora of interesting developments happening right here and right now.
Whilst Copenhagen is a crucial event – can we afford to let others use it as a screen to slip other important and controversial matters through whilst our attention is diverted so?

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]]> By: Mark http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/19/copenhagen-9-let-us-refuse-to-acknowledge-%e2%80%98defeat%e2%80%99/#comment-99672 Mark Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:27:42 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8737#comment-99672 Interesting Debate on whether agreement can be reached in Copenhagen going on between various Political Science Students, Astrologers, and other interested Parties. Gordon Brown and Prince Charles each took a sepate jet there - one has to wonder how serious they are. Also, it's been discussed whether all relevant information will be tabled (the concensus is 'no'). I still feel it's a much needed Prototype - beginning a conversation about action across Borders.

Interesting Debate on whether agreement can be reached in Copenhagen going on between various Political Science Students, Astrologers, and other interested Parties.
Gordon Brown and Prince Charles each took a sepate jet there – one has to wonder how serious they are.
Also, it’s been discussed whether all relevant information will be tabled (the concensus is ‘no’).
I still feel it’s a much needed Prototype – beginning a conversation about action across Borders.

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