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	<title>Comments on: Russel Norman questions John Key on factory farming</title>
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	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
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		<title>By: tomfarmer</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/08/russel-norman-questions-john-key-on-factory-farming/#comment-98673</link>
		<dc:creator>tomfarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for that, frog. Out od interest you mention the EPA.. is this an actual entity at present..?</description>
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<p>thanks for that, frog. Out od interest you mention the EPA.. is this an actual entity at present..?</p>
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		<title>By: greenfly</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/08/russel-norman-questions-john-key-on-factory-farming/#comment-98650</link>
		<dc:creator>greenfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snivelling Smith says: &quot; It is unlikely that the factory farming in the McKenzie Basin will meet the threshold for call in under the Resource Management Act&quot;.</description>
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<p>Snivelling Smith says: &#8221; It is unlikely that the factory farming in the McKenzie Basin will meet the threshold for call in under the Resource Management Act&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/08/russel-norman-questions-john-key-on-factory-farming/#comment-98638</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tomfarmer: Good question. Yes, the submission process through ECan is currently in progress. However, S142(2) of the RMA determines the &quot;Restriction on when Minister may call in matter&quot;, and states that for notified consents, it must be called in &quot;more than 5 working days after the close of the last day on which submissions may be made&quot;. This means the EPA has until 23 Dec to call the consents in. The RMA process is somewhat limited in its scope to take into account broad considerations, but a call-in would allow a wider and more national assessment to be undertaken, which is in line with the national-level concerns being raised by the Greens, Fonterra, Animal Welfare Groups, and the New Zealand public.</description>
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<p>@tomfarmer: Good question. Yes, the submission process through ECan is currently in progress. However, S142(2) of the RMA determines the &#8220;Restriction on when Minister may call in matter&#8221;, and states that for notified consents, it must be called in &#8220;more than 5 working days after the close of the last day on which submissions may be made&#8221;. This means the EPA has until 23 Dec to call the consents in. The RMA process is somewhat limited in its scope to take into account broad considerations, but a call-in would allow a wider and more national assessment to be undertaken, which is in line with the national-level concerns being raised by the Greens, Fonterra, Animal Welfare Groups, and the New Zealand public.</p>
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		<title>By: McTap</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/08/russel-norman-questions-john-key-on-factory-farming/#comment-98587</link>
		<dc:creator>McTap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the Nats have got smugness and obfuscation down to a fine art. Pity they don&#039;t put a similar amount of effort into good governance.</description>
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<p>Looks like the Nats have got smugness and obfuscation down to a fine art. Pity they don&#8217;t put a similar amount of effort into good governance.</p>
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		<title>By: tomfarmer</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/08/russel-norman-questions-john-key-on-factory-farming/#comment-98584</link>
		<dc:creator>tomfarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to appear a spanner etc but aren&#039;t RMA proceedings on these proposed Mackenzie Basin dairying businesses underway presently.?</description>
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<p>Not to appear a spanner etc but aren&#8217;t RMA proceedings on these proposed Mackenzie Basin dairying businesses underway presently.?</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/08/russel-norman-questions-john-key-on-factory-farming/#comment-98578</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is corruption.

Pure and simple – political corruption. It doesn&#039;t matter if any money changed hands, or any deals were done. It is still corruption.

Abuse of the legislative process to advantage an influential individual, a mover and shaker, and whom no doubt supports either the National or Act parties, is pure corruption.

Go on Russel, say it in Parliament. This government is descending to the ethics of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh_Bjelke-Petersen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joh Bjelke-Petersen&lt;/a&gt;, whom Russel will no doubt recall from his youth.</description>
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<p>This is corruption.</p>
<p>Pure and simple – political corruption. It doesn&#8217;t matter if any money changed hands, or any deals were done. It is still corruption.</p>
<p>Abuse of the legislative process to advantage an influential individual, a mover and shaker, and whom no doubt supports either the National or Act parties, is pure corruption.</p>
<p>Go on Russel, say it in Parliament. This government is descending to the ethics of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh_Bjelke-Petersen" rel="nofollow">Joh Bjelke-Petersen</a>, whom Russel will no doubt recall from his youth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jezza</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/12/08/russel-norman-questions-john-key-on-factory-farming/#comment-98575</link>
		<dc:creator>Jezza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to the parliamentary reply tonight now (10 pm on channel 94 for Sky digital holders, on freeview too I think) I heard Gerry Brownlee had a bit of a tanty about garages today too...</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to the parliamentary reply tonight now (10 pm on channel 94 for Sky digital holders, on freeview too I think) I heard Gerry Brownlee had a bit of a tanty about garages today too&#8230;</p>
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