Comments on: Interview of Sarah Palin supporters http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/ hopping along the corridors of power Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:28:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: BluePeter http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97677 BluePeter Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:10:08 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97677 <blockquote>did you ever tell us where you actually went? …and did you have a good time there? Just out of curiousity.</blockquote> VRWC mischief :)

did you ever tell us where you actually went? …and did you have a good time there? Just out of curiousity.

VRWC mischief :)

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]]> By: Trevor29 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97666 Trevor29 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:49:57 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97666 Oops - missed. That should have read "Pitching at 9-10 year olds..." Trevor :oops: Oops – missed. That should have read “Pitching at 9-10 year olds…”

Trevor :oops:

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]]> By: Sapient http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97619 Sapient Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:41:24 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97619 <blockquote> How can you treat them so dismissively? They may be unaware. They may be uneducated. They may not put two and two together so well. But they have the same needs, the same desires, and the same vote that you and I do. </blockquote> And there, in that last part, you have touched on the problem. If only the solution was as easy.

How can you treat them so dismissively? They may be unaware. They may be uneducated. They may not put two and two together so well.

But they have the same needs, the same desires, and the same vote that you and I do.

And there, in that last part, you have touched on the problem.

If only the solution was as easy.

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]]> By: kahikatea http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97594 kahikatea Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:31:27 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97594 Katie wrote: "I just about wet myself laughing, as I don’t consider either of them to be ‘feminist’, both of them facilitate sexual abusers." can you elaborate, Katie? I don't know anything about either of them that relates to the issue of sexual abuse. Katie wrote: “I just about wet myself laughing, as I don’t consider either of them to be ‘feminist’, both of them facilitate sexual abusers.”

can you elaborate, Katie?

I don’t know anything about either of them that relates to the issue of sexual abuse.

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]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97590 StephenR Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:47:48 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97590 <i>The video could equally have depicted incoherent Obama groupies. So what’s the point? </i> <i>I’ve seen New Zealanders on the news who couldn’t name the leader of the Labour Party. Or the Greens. Or ACT. </i> etc Indeed Bill Maher did similar canvassing on his TV show/podcast to McCain, Palin and Obama supporters - 'chaaaange'! 'honesty!' 'one of us'...'oh, policies!? um..!?' The video could equally have depicted incoherent Obama groupies. So what’s the point?

I’ve seen New Zealanders on the news who couldn’t name the leader of the Labour Party. Or the Greens. Or ACT.

etc

Indeed Bill Maher did similar canvassing on his TV show/podcast to McCain, Palin and Obama supporters – ‘chaaaange’! ‘honesty!’ ‘one of us’…’oh, policies!? um..!?’

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]]> By: sleepyday http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97587 sleepyday Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:13:23 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97587 BP states "I come from this (NZ equivalent) class." enough said!!! BP states “I come from this (NZ equivalent) class.”

enough said!!!

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]]> By: bjchip http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97580 bjchip Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:07:13 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97580 Trevor That is a !very.good.point! BP - Rimu already noted that and I agreed. One of the reasons I am pleased to see that you are back. BTW, did you ever tell us where you actually went? ...and did you have a good time there? Just out of curiousity. respectfully BJ Trevor

That is a !very.good.point!

BP – Rimu already noted that and I agreed. One of the reasons I am pleased to see that you are back.

BTW, did you ever tell us where you actually went? …and did you have a good time there? Just out of curiousity.

respectfully
BJ

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]]> By: Trevor29 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97579 Trevor29 Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:18:17 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97579 It is an unfortunate fact of life that half the people eligible to vote will have an IQ of 100 or less. So to get the vote of these people, you do have to make it easy for them to read and understand your message. Pitching at 0-10 year olds may be about right, as these children may be able to carry the message to their voting parents. It isn't just your polocies you need to convey - it is also the reasons behind those policies, such as the arguments for believing in AGW and not believing the denialist industry. The Green Party web-site needs to be designed for non-Green Party visitors and made easy for them to understand the issues and then the policies for addressing those issues, all in a way that a Year-6 student can navigate. Trevor. It is an unfortunate fact of life that half the people eligible to vote will have an IQ of 100 or less. So to get the vote of these people, you do have to make it easy for them to read and understand your message. Pitching at 0-10 year olds may be about right, as these children may be able to carry the message to their voting parents. It isn’t just your polocies you need to convey – it is also the reasons behind those policies, such as the arguments for believing in AGW and not believing the denialist industry.

The Green Party web-site needs to be designed for non-Green Party visitors and made easy for them to understand the issues and then the policies for addressing those issues, all in a way that a Year-6 student can navigate.

Trevor.

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]]> By: BluePeter http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97577 BluePeter Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:06:14 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97577 <blockquote>Oh my,Blue Peter, and they turned up at a book selling to support someone who is against the Democratic incumbent, and they can’t articulate a sausage about the ideas or values they espouse? </blockquote> I guess the problem is you don't see the people who could articulate a position. They don't make the final cut. My point is you can produce that exact same result no matter which party followers you interview. Here's one on Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8 ...and that if you can't connect with that group - they exist here, too, in large numbers - then a small percentage of the vote you'll always have.

Oh my,Blue Peter, and they turned up at a book selling to support someone who is against the Democratic incumbent, and they can’t articulate a sausage about the ideas or values they espouse?

I guess the problem is you don’t see the people who could articulate a position. They don’t make the final cut.

My point is you can produce that exact same result no matter which party followers you interview.

Here’s one on Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

…and that if you can’t connect with that group – they exist here, too, in large numbers – then a small percentage of the vote you’ll always have.

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]]> By: bjchip http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97571 bjchip Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:17:07 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97571 Very true Rimu, that's how some of the video bits Leno used to make were made. I should have mentioned it. However, the 6th grade reference? That's real. ...and they are a field ready for harvest by anyone with a powerful oratorical style and a message of return to the former greatness of the country. Someone who can identify their enemies and give them focus. All that is needed is to choose the color of the shirts. It isn't actually funny at all. BJ Very true Rimu, that’s how some of the video bits Leno used to make were made. I should have mentioned it. However, the 6th grade reference? That’s real.

…and they are a field ready for harvest by anyone with a powerful oratorical style and a message of return to the former greatness of the country. Someone who can identify their enemies and give them focus. All that is needed is to choose the color of the shirts.

It isn’t actually funny at all.

BJ

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]]> By: rimu http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97561 rimu Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:42:09 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97561 If there were people in the line who gave sensible answers to the interviewer's questions, they wouldn't have made it into the final video. It's more funny that way. Not to be taken too seriously... If there were people in the line who gave sensible answers to the interviewer’s questions, they wouldn’t have made it into the final video. It’s more funny that way.

Not to be taken too seriously…

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]]> By: katie http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97544 katie Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:05:10 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97544 'she's such a feminist role-model' ... WTF, ROTFL! I remember a (female) pol-sci student saying that to me, when the discussion was Clinton vs Palin, early 2008, on VUW campus. I just about wet myself laughing, as I don't consider either of them to be 'feminist', <b>both</b> of them facilitate sexual abusers. But perhaps my insistance on using a Political Dictionary definition of 'feminist' was where I went wrong, as the young women talking to me were quick to point out. They were using a contemporary newspaper-journalist definition, and said my understanding was 'outdated'. The discussion then went on to how many contemporary feminist writings they had read recently to base that opinion upon.... Given that a high proportion of feminist texts originate in Women's Colleges in the USA, you'd think that some kind of standard understanding of the word might exist, but just like Ben & Jerry's icecream, 'feminism' is defined in as many flavours as you like, just pick the one that suits you best. So I guess the young woman standing gushing in the queue was only working from her best understanding of 'feminism' as it relates to her own life circumstances; but I did feel sorry for her, that her experience of 'feminism' had given her such a limited view of the possibilities this political philosophy has to offer. ’she’s such a feminist role-model’ … WTF, ROTFL!

I remember a (female) pol-sci student saying that to me, when the discussion was Clinton vs Palin, early 2008, on VUW campus.

I just about wet myself laughing, as I don’t consider either of them to be ‘feminist’, both of them facilitate sexual abusers.

But perhaps my insistance on using a Political Dictionary definition of ‘feminist’ was where I went wrong, as the young women talking to me were quick to point out.

They were using a contemporary newspaper-journalist definition, and said my understanding was ‘outdated’. The discussion then went on to how many contemporary feminist writings they had read recently to base that opinion upon….

Given that a high proportion of feminist texts originate in Women’s Colleges in the USA, you’d think that some kind of standard understanding of the word might exist, but just like Ben & Jerry’s icecream, ‘feminism’ is defined in as many flavours as you like, just pick the one that suits you best.

So I guess the young woman standing gushing in the queue was only working from her best understanding of ‘feminism’ as it relates to her own life circumstances; but I did feel sorry for her, that her experience of ‘feminism’ had given her such a limited view of the possibilities this political philosophy has to offer.

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]]> By: Galeandra http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97543 Galeandra Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:56:59 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97543 'How can you treat them so dismissively? They may be unaware. They may be uneducated. They may not put two and two together so well. But they have the same needs, the same desires, and the same vote that you and I do.' Oh my,Blue Peter, and they turned up at a book selling to support someone who is against the Democratic incumbent, and they can't articulate a sausage about the ideas or values they espouse? C'mon Blue Peter, this is no more a demonstration of 'democracy' than was the latter day demagoguery that afflicted ancient Athens. Manufactured by the same glib sloganeering in the medium of the day. And, in the meantime, small town America is being tormented by unemployment, mortgage foreclosures and resetting, increasing taxation by bankrupt state legislatures...profiteering by utilities like the AIG water thieves, and factory shutdowns etc etc etc. These poor folk need a big break, but their only solution seems to be to do more of what broke their dreams...... ‘How can you treat them so dismissively? They may be unaware. They may be uneducated. They may not put two and two together so well.
But they have the same needs, the same desires, and the same vote that you and I do.’

Oh my,Blue Peter, and they turned up at a book selling to support someone who is against the Democratic incumbent, and they can’t articulate a sausage about the ideas or values they espouse? C’mon Blue Peter, this is no more a demonstration of ‘democracy’ than was the latter day demagoguery that afflicted ancient Athens. Manufactured by the same glib sloganeering in the medium of the day.

And, in the meantime, small town America is being tormented by unemployment, mortgage foreclosures and resetting, increasing taxation by bankrupt state legislatures…profiteering by utilities like the AIG water thieves, and factory shutdowns etc etc etc.

These poor folk need a big break, but their only solution seems to be to do more of what broke their dreams……

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]]> By: bjchip http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97536 bjchip Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:40:41 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97536 BP Americans are in general, very insular. Their understanding of FOREIGN policy is limited to (possibly) being able to name the places we are actively at war. Allies, antagonists... you'd get nothing back outside the top 5-10% . They take a larger interest in the things that the media tells them to be interested in, particularly through paid advertisements. That means that health-care is important. The report erred in that it asks what Sarah Palin's policies and views are... most people don't reason to that level and the information is not presented to them. They assume a lot. However, if he had instead asked what they think we should do about health care, he might have gotten something more useful than "I don't know". Noting too that this is a book signing. Chances are the books being signed had not yet been read. These are some of the MORE informed lot... }}:0 !!! respectfully BJ BP

Americans are in general, very insular. Their understanding of FOREIGN policy is limited to (possibly) being able to name the places we are actively at war. Allies, antagonists… you’d get nothing back outside the top 5-10% .

They take a larger interest in the things that the media tells them to be interested in, particularly through paid advertisements.

That means that health-care is important. The report erred in that it asks what Sarah Palin’s policies and views are… most people don’t reason to that level and the information is not presented to them. They assume a lot. However, if he had instead asked what they think we should do about health care, he might have gotten something more useful than “I don’t know”. Noting too that this is a book signing. Chances are the books being signed had not yet been read. These are some of the MORE informed lot… }}:0 !!!

respectfully
BJ

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]]> By: phil u http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97534 phil u Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:17:13 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97534 "..They may be unaware. They may be uneducated. They may not put two and two together so well.." yes..? "..In NZ, they are Maori, PI and the poor white trash. ." no no..!..the local equivalent are the actites... surely..? those lining up to sign a book by douglas/hyde..? has hyde done a book..? (suggested title..?..) 'from trough to trough'..? phil(whoar.co.nz) “..They may be unaware. They may be uneducated. They may not put two and two together so well..”

yes..?

“..In NZ, they are Maori, PI and the poor white trash. .”

no no..!..the local equivalent are the actites…

surely..?

those lining up to sign a book by douglas/hyde..?

has hyde done a book..?

(suggested title..?..)

‘from trough to trough’..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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]]> By: Jezza http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97531 Jezza Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:51:21 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97531 @Blue Peter there may be many NZers who take as little interest in politics as these yokels but why then go to a political event or even more stupidly talk to political reporters..? @blip, I went to the March For Democracy and could talk about NZ's foreign policy and tax system pretty well thank you... @Blue Peter there may be many NZers who take as little interest in politics as these yokels but why then go to a political event or even more stupidly talk to political reporters..?

@blip, I went to the March For Democracy and could talk about NZ’s foreign policy and tax system pretty well thank you…

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]]> By: Trevor29 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97530 Trevor29 Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:49:36 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97530 This time I suspect BJ is exaggerating. Isn't the average level needed to talk to most Americans only about 5th grade? :) Trevor. This time I suspect BJ is exaggerating. Isn’t the average level needed to talk to most Americans only about 5th grade? :)

Trevor.

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]]> By: BluePeter http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97529 BluePeter Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:45:13 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97529 I don't like Palin any more than I like Bradford. I just find the derision interesting. What if those people were Maori, and you asked them about NZ foreign policy? I don’t like Palin any more than I like Bradford.

I just find the derision interesting. What if those people were Maori, and you asked them about NZ foreign policy?

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97525 greenfly Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:50:19 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97525 But she's so <i> real </i> ! Like John Key - connecting with the people because he's so <i> real </i> . But she’s so real !

Like John Key – connecting with the people because he’s so real .

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]]> By: sendthestuff http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/28/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/#comment-97521 sendthestuff Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:55:24 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=8011#comment-97521 Isn't that sad enough? Do you have to spread their ignorance via the tv screen. Another question is: shouldn't a minimum of education be mandatory if you want to vote? Isn’t that sad enough? Do you have to spread their ignorance via the tv screen.
Another question is: shouldn’t a minimum of education be mandatory if you want to vote?

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