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		<title>By: StephenR</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/green-mp-off-to-icc-meeting-international-criminal-court-no-cricket/#comment-97698</link>
		<dc:creator>StephenR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;impinge on the enjoyment of human rights of followers of those religions,&quot;

I really do hate it when people just create human rights &#039;just like that&#039;.</description>
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<p>&#8220;impinge on the enjoyment of human rights of followers of those religions,&#8221;</p>
<p>I really do hate it when people just create human rights &#8216;just like that&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: wat dabney</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/green-mp-off-to-icc-meeting-international-criminal-court-no-cricket/#comment-97688</link>
		<dc:creator>wat dabney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re simply to hand our consciences over to the thugs at the UN like this, it surely follows that we will have to adopt a UN International Blasphemy Law if and when it gets passed.

&quot;If ratified in countries that enshrine freedom of expression as a fundamental right, such a treaty would require them to limit free speech if it risks seriously offending religious believers...Experts say the bid stands some chance of eventual success if Muslim countries persist...The proposal may have some support in the General Assembly. For several years the Islamic Conference has successfully passed a nonbinding resolution at the General Assembly condemning &quot;defamation of religions.&quot;...The Islamic Conference &quot;believes that the attack on sacredly held beliefs and the defamation of religions, religious symbols, personalities and dogmas impinge on the enjoyment of human rights of followers of those religions,&quot; the letter said. It was sent last month to members of the Ad Hoc Committee on Complementary Standards, a temporary committee created to consider a previous anti-racism treaty.
In a separate submission to the committee, Pakistan proposed extending the treaty against racism to require signatories to &quot;prohibit by law the uttering of matters that are grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion.&quot; &quot;

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iX2fakx508zGm4ff4XnCXYK260SwD9C2SQ401

Yeah, that&#039;s the same UN that you&#039;d have making NZ&#039;s decisions about when to resort to violence, Ken. Quite why you would want the likes of the Saudis and Pakistanis to have any say whatsoever in Kiwi decision making is completely beyond me.


&quot;A Saudi Arabian court has sentenced a 75-year-old Syrian woman to 40 lashes, four months imprisonment and deportation from the kingdom for having two unrelated men in her house, according to local media reports.&quot;
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/09/saudi.arabia.lashes/index.html?eref=edition</description>
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<p>If we&#8217;re simply to hand our consciences over to the thugs at the UN like this, it surely follows that we will have to adopt a UN International Blasphemy Law if and when it gets passed.</p>
<p>&#8220;If ratified in countries that enshrine freedom of expression as a fundamental right, such a treaty would require them to limit free speech if it risks seriously offending religious believers&#8230;Experts say the bid stands some chance of eventual success if Muslim countries persist&#8230;The proposal may have some support in the General Assembly. For several years the Islamic Conference has successfully passed a nonbinding resolution at the General Assembly condemning &#8220;defamation of religions.&#8221;&#8230;The Islamic Conference &#8220;believes that the attack on sacredly held beliefs and the defamation of religions, religious symbols, personalities and dogmas impinge on the enjoyment of human rights of followers of those religions,&#8221; the letter said. It was sent last month to members of the Ad Hoc Committee on Complementary Standards, a temporary committee created to consider a previous anti-racism treaty.<br />
In a separate submission to the committee, Pakistan proposed extending the treaty against racism to require signatories to &#8220;prohibit by law the uttering of matters that are grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion.&#8221; &#8221;</p>
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<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s the same UN that you&#8217;d have making NZ&#8217;s decisions about when to resort to violence, Ken. Quite why you would want the likes of the Saudis and Pakistanis to have any say whatsoever in Kiwi decision making is completely beyond me.</p>
<p>&#8220;A Saudi Arabian court has sentenced a 75-year-old Syrian woman to 40 lashes, four months imprisonment and deportation from the kingdom for having two unrelated men in her house, according to local media reports.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/09/saudi.arabia.lashes/index.html?eref=edition" rel="nofollow">http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/09/saudi.arabia.lashes/index.html?eref=edition</a></p>
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		<title>By: StephenR</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/green-mp-off-to-icc-meeting-international-criminal-court-no-cricket/#comment-97606</link>
		<dc:creator>StephenR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me if i seem framed that a little abrasively, but my general question/point stands.</description>
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<p>Forgive me if i seem framed that a little abrasively, but my general question/point stands.</p>
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		<title>By: StephenR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StephenR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that mean you aren&#039;t a fan of the UN either katie? You didn&#039;t counter wat&#039;s point, and added something of your own to reinforce it.</description>
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<p>Does that mean you aren&#8217;t a fan of the UN either katie? You didn&#8217;t counter wat&#8217;s point, and added something of your own to reinforce it.</p>
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		<title>By: katie</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/green-mp-off-to-icc-meeting-international-criminal-court-no-cricket/#comment-97547</link>
		<dc:creator>katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wat - 
would those thugs you&#039;re referring to include China, Russia, the USA, the UK ... the members of the &lt;b&gt;UN Security Council&lt;/b&gt; who have used their veto to block resolutions to stop the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine?

&#039;Cos the states you named have hardly any influence over the &#039;big ticket&#039; votes in the UN over disarmament, disengagement in war zones, or lifting the medical supply embargoes against citizens of targeted war-zone states (Iraq, Cuba, Afghanistan, Palestine) which cause more deaths than outright bombing campaigns, mostly women &amp; children.</description>
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<p>Wat &#8211;<br />
would those thugs you&#8217;re referring to include China, Russia, the USA, the UK &#8230; the members of the <b>UN Security Council</b> who have used their veto to block resolutions to stop the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine?</p>
<p>&#8216;Cos the states you named have hardly any influence over the &#8216;big ticket&#8217; votes in the UN over disarmament, disengagement in war zones, or lifting the medical supply embargoes against citizens of targeted war-zone states (Iraq, Cuba, Afghanistan, Palestine) which cause more deaths than outright bombing campaigns, mostly women &amp; children.</p>
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		<title>By: wat dabney</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/green-mp-off-to-icc-meeting-international-criminal-court-no-cricket/#comment-97299</link>
		<dc:creator>wat dabney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, let&#039;s recall just what sort of corrupt organisation it is that this Green MP is planning to make New Zealand&#039;s legally-binding conscience. Just some of the past and present members of the UN Human Rights Council: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Cuba, Jordan and Egypt.

Authoritarian regimes thrive in the UN Human Rights Council:
http://civitaspoliticsblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/authoritarian-regimes-thrive-in-the-un-human-rights-council/

But you go right ahead, Ken, and make NZ&#039;s foreign policy subservient to the thugs that strut around the UN.</description>
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<div id='ckhide-97299' style="display:none; opacity:0.4;filter:alpha(opacity=40);">Incidentally, let&#8217;s recall just what sort of corrupt organisation it is that this Green MP is planning to make New Zealand&#8217;s legally-binding conscience. Just some of the past and present members of the UN Human Rights Council: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Cuba, Jordan and Egypt.</p>
<p>Authoritarian regimes thrive in the UN Human Rights Council:<br />
<a href="http://civitaspoliticsblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/authoritarian-regimes-thrive-in-the-un-human-rights-council/" rel="nofollow">http://civitaspoliticsblog.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/authoritarian-regimes-thrive-in-the-un-human-rights-council/</a></p>
<p>But you go right ahead, Ken, and make NZ&#8217;s foreign policy subservient to the thugs that strut around the UN.</p></div>
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		<title>By: wat dabney</title>
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		<dc:creator>wat dabney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drakula,

&quot;But what about economic crimes? The crime of slashing tarrifs to chase the cheap dollar that ultimately collapses local manufacturing industries and put people out of work.&quot;

Firstly, tariffs are &lt;i&gt;enforced&lt;/i&gt; by the threat of violence. If you are against violence you should be against tariffs.

Secondly, why don&#039;t you consider all the jobs &lt;i&gt;lost&lt;/i&gt; and foregone by the enforcement of these tariffs? Where do &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; appear in your equation?

Thirdly, according to your argument, countries which adopt freer trade policies should have high unemployment. This is demonstrably not the case: they have a different &lt;i&gt;mix&lt;/i&gt; of industry, and overall a higher standard of living

- &quot;I think that it is very important to discuss economic crime and corruption&quot;

On the one hand you champion the state protecting and subsidising politically influential industries, on the other you complain about corruption. Did it ever occur to you that there&#039;s a link between the two?

The more you remove the state&#039;s power to favour special interest groups and control economic activity the more you eliminate the cause of corruption. Unfortunately, the left only seems interested in more and more regulation, with increased corruption the direct result. Companies find it much cheaper to buy political patronage than to compete in a free market.</description>
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<p>&#8220;But what about economic crimes? The crime of slashing tarrifs to chase the cheap dollar that ultimately collapses local manufacturing industries and put people out of work.&#8221;</p>
<p>Firstly, tariffs are <i>enforced</i> by the threat of violence. If you are against violence you should be against tariffs.</p>
<p>Secondly, why don&#8217;t you consider all the jobs <i>lost</i> and foregone by the enforcement of these tariffs? Where do <i>they</i> appear in your equation?</p>
<p>Thirdly, according to your argument, countries which adopt freer trade policies should have high unemployment. This is demonstrably not the case: they have a different <i>mix</i> of industry, and overall a higher standard of living</p>
<p>- &#8220;I think that it is very important to discuss economic crime and corruption&#8221;</p>
<p>On the one hand you champion the state protecting and subsidising politically influential industries, on the other you complain about corruption. Did it ever occur to you that there&#8217;s a link between the two?</p>
<p>The more you remove the state&#8217;s power to favour special interest groups and control economic activity the more you eliminate the cause of corruption. Unfortunately, the left only seems interested in more and more regulation, with increased corruption the direct result. Companies find it much cheaper to buy political patronage than to compete in a free market.</p></div>
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		<title>By: Drakula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drakula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murder , genocide, rape and violence are the most covert of war crimes that will no doubt be discussed at the above mentioned meeting.

But what about economic crimes? The crime of slashing tarrifs to chase the cheap dollar that ultimately collapses local manufacturing industries and put people out of work.

I am in full support of what Kennedy is doing but I think that it is very important to discuss economic crime and corruption as that seems to be the initial incubator of all instability.</description>
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<p>Murder , genocide, rape and violence are the most covert of war crimes that will no doubt be discussed at the above mentioned meeting.</p>
<p>But what about economic crimes? The crime of slashing tarrifs to chase the cheap dollar that ultimately collapses local manufacturing industries and put people out of work.</p>
<p>I am in full support of what Kennedy is doing but I think that it is very important to discuss economic crime and corruption as that seems to be the initial incubator of all instability.</p>
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		<title>By: Valis</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/green-mp-off-to-icc-meeting-international-criminal-court-no-cricket/#comment-97269</link>
		<dc:creator>Valis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most know that Keith disowned the Khmer Rouge several years before the National govt of the day managed it.  Even bro knows this is true, but lying on blogs is just what he does.</description>
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<div style="">Most know that Keith disowned the Khmer Rouge several years before the National govt of the day managed it.  Even bro knows this is true, but lying on blogs is just what he does.</div>
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		<title>By: big bro</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/green-mp-off-to-icc-meeting-international-criminal-court-no-cricket/#comment-97265</link>
		<dc:creator>big bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will you be taking Comrade Locke with you?

I am sure Keith would love another chance to praise Pol Pot.</description>
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<p>I am sure Keith would love another chance to praise Pol Pot.</p></div>
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		<title>By: georgedarroch</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/green-mp-off-to-icc-meeting-international-criminal-court-no-cricket/#comment-97250</link>
		<dc:creator>georgedarroch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep us updated. I&#039;d be interested to know how it goes, and whether aggression can be included, as it is already illegal under international law.</description>
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<p>Keep us updated. I&#8217;d be interested to know how it goes, and whether aggression can be included, as it is already illegal under international law.</p>
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