Comments on: Can you trust Nick Smith? http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/ hopping along the corridors of power Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:31:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Trevor29 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97406 Trevor29 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:59:13 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97406 Who are the officials being referred to when Nick Smith said: <i>"I have not had any discussions with either of those organisations about the changes that the Government will need to make in accident compensation, nor have officials."</i> I suspect he will mean the ACC ministry officials, not DOL officials. I also expect that he was thinking of verbal discussions - face to face or by telephone, not written exchanges. I also suspect that he may have a different view about what changes are needed. So yes, I believe that there is a way of intrepreting what he said that is actually true - just not necessarily the way most people would intrepret it. Trevor PS: What was that phrase used in "Independence Day"? Ah yes, "plausible deniability". Who are the officials being referred to when Nick Smith said:
“I have not had any discussions with either of those organisations about the changes that the Government will need to make in accident compensation, nor have officials.”

I suspect he will mean the ACC ministry officials, not DOL officials. I also expect that he was thinking of verbal discussions – face to face or by telephone, not written exchanges.

I also suspect that he may have a different view about what changes are needed.

So yes, I believe that there is a way of intrepreting what he said that is actually true – just not necessarily the way most people would intrepret it.

Trevor

PS: What was that phrase used in “Independence Day”? Ah yes, “plausible deniability”.

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]]> By: jc2 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97364 jc2 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:37:31 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97364 sleepyday: sorry, not that one; that only applies in the context of an apology. sleepyday: sorry, not that one; that only applies in the context of an apology.

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]]> By: sleepyday http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97363 sleepyday Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:25:23 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97363 or perhaps this one.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPe0hhyUCx0 or perhaps this one….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPe0hhyUCx0

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]]> By: eclipse http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97354 eclipse Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:04:21 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97354 hey just found a song that seems to have been written about Nick - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLAaFkSo9kM hey just found a song that seems to have been written about Nick – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLAaFkSo9kM

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]]> By: eclipse http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97346 eclipse Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:25:22 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97346 So trev lets get this straight you think that there were no discussions between DOL and Treasury officals about changes to accident compensation from late 2008 to march 2009? because that is what would need to be true for Nick Smith's answer to be literally true. So trev lets get this straight you think that there were no discussions between DOL and Treasury officals about changes to accident compensation from late 2008 to march 2009?

because that is what would need to be true for Nick Smith’s answer to be literally true.

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]]> By: Trevor29 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97336 Trevor29 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:15:58 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97336 I can trust Nick Smith to: - be economical with the truth; - use phrases that are literally true. What does "discussion" mean in this context? Is requesting and receiving information a "discussion". Was that "note" intended for Treasury or BNZ? Unfortunately it seems that senior National (and Labour) Party members have better skills in asking and/or answering/evading such questions than younger members of smaller parties. This may be an area where some training of the Green MPs could be useful... Trevor. I can trust Nick Smith to:
- be economical with the truth;
- use phrases that are literally true.

What does “discussion” mean in this context? Is requesting and receiving information a “discussion”. Was that “note” intended for Treasury or BNZ?

Unfortunately it seems that senior National (and Labour) Party members have better skills in asking and/or answering/evading such questions than younger members of smaller parties. This may be an area where some training of the Green MPs could be useful…

Trevor.

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97332 greenfly Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:15:53 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97332 Trusting-of-Nick-Smith-Pentwig - what other proposals did you look at? Photonz1 - the title of this thread asks, "Can you trust Nick Smith?" but despite having posted twice, you still say, <i> I’ve never said a single thing about whether or not I trust Nick Smith </i> Why ever not??? Quite odd behaviour. Trusting-of-Nick-Smith-Pentwig – what other proposals did you look at?

Photonz1 – the title of this thread asks,
“Can you trust Nick Smith?” but despite having posted twice, you still say,
I’ve never said a single thing about whether or not I trust Nick Smith

Why ever not???

Quite odd behaviour.

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]]> By: pentwig http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97298 pentwig Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:41:07 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97298 Having watched Smith as much as I could and my eyes would allow me, Yes I trust Smith in that he has brought to NZ an economical and sound stategy that is not going to impact on the lesser income earners and keep them employed with the rider that their employer can afford to keep in business. Looking at other proposals this was not a consideration. There is also room to move if the science proves false. Having said that only the future will tell and to speculate is only insidious. Having watched Smith as much as I could and my eyes would allow me, Yes I trust Smith in that he has brought to NZ an economical and sound stategy that is not going to impact on the lesser income earners and keep them employed with the rider that their employer can afford to keep in business.
Looking at other proposals this was not a consideration.
There is also room to move if the science proves false.
Having said that only the future will tell and to speculate is only insidious.

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]]> By: Drakula http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97288 Drakula Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:02:59 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97288 I don't trust Nick Smith, but then I don't trust any of them but having said that Photon has a point. Frog needs to establish beyond reasonable doubt that Business NZ has been involved in the drafting of this ACC bill and to what extent. That shouldn't be too difficult I don’t trust Nick Smith, but then I don’t trust any of them but having said that Photon has a point.

Frog needs to establish beyond reasonable doubt that Business NZ has been involved in the drafting of this ACC bill and to what extent.

That shouldn’t be too difficult

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]]> By: toad http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97281 toad Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:44:40 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97281 ACC+ETS = SAC+KED I'm sure that the only thing that is saving him is that Tolley is <a href="http://greenvoices.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/the-short-and-incredibly-happy-life-of-tolley/" rel="nofollow">even less competent</a>, and that Brownlee, Bennett and Wilkinson are at about the same poor standard as Smith. League tables for Ministers, anyone? Too embarrassing for Key to sack them all. ACC+ETS = SAC+KED

I’m sure that the only thing that is saving him is that Tolley is even less competent, and that Brownlee, Bennett and Wilkinson are at about the same poor standard as Smith.

League tables for Ministers, anyone? Too embarrassing for Key to sack them all.

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]]> By: photonz1 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97268 photonz1 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:31:06 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97268 greenfly - you're just like frog - twisting things so they can be misrepresented. I've never said a single thing about whether or not I trust Nick Smith - I just said for the case at hand, his comments have been completely misrepresented by frog. So clearly I could not trust frog. Whether or not Nick Smith is trustworthy, is somehting I have not commented on. But I certainly would NEVER trust anyone who slags people off primarily for the party they are in, rather than what they actually do - I find that very UNtrustworthy. greenfly – you’re just like frog – twisting things so they can be misrepresented.

I’ve never said a single thing about whether or not I trust Nick Smith – I just said for the case at hand, his comments have been completely misrepresented by frog.

So clearly I could not trust frog.

Whether or not Nick Smith is trustworthy, is somehting I have not commented on.

But I certainly would NEVER trust anyone who slags people off primarily for the party they are in, rather than what they actually do – I find that very UNtrustworthy.

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]]> By: bjchip http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97266 bjchip Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:22:17 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97266 I am not sure, were I Nick Smith, that I would trust Nick Smith :-) I am not sure, were I Nick Smith, that I would trust Nick Smith :-)

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]]> By: wekaontheroof http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97263 wekaontheroof Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:09:54 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97263 It tells me he is Nick Smith It tells me he is Nick Smith

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97252 greenfly Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:45:09 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97252 photonz1 is a Nick Smith-truster! Good Lord!! What does <i> that </i> tell you!? photonz1 is a Nick Smith-truster!

Good Lord!!

What does that tell you!?

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]]> By: photonz1 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97249 photonz1 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:11:16 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97249 Can you trust Frog? 1/ Clearly Nick Smith's answer to Sue Bradford is accurate - in his notes, he says there needs to be a wider discussion including the likes of DOL (who were already having an input to what should be considered). 2/ The second part of his answer is also accurate, as how could he possibly have had discussions about "the changes that the Government will need to make" (the results of the review) when the review to decide those changes, hadn't even started. Are you not trying to trick up into believing that talking about doing a review (which happens before it starts) is exactly the same thing as talking about the results of the review (which can't happen until it finishes)? Can you trust Frog?

1/ Clearly Nick Smith’s answer to Sue Bradford is accurate – in his notes, he says there needs to be a wider discussion including the likes of DOL (who were already having an input to what should be considered).

2/ The second part of his answer is also accurate, as how could he possibly have had discussions about “the changes that the Government will need to make” (the results of the review) when the review to decide those changes, hadn’t even started.

Are you not trying to trick up into believing that talking about doing a review (which happens before it starts) is exactly the same thing as talking about the results of the review (which can’t happen until it finishes)?

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]]> By: wekaontheroof http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97230 wekaontheroof Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:22:20 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97230 >Can you trust Nick Smith? I think that has already been established over a number of years Keep the pressure up there is no room in NZ politics for one so blatantly dishonest as he >Can you trust Nick Smith?
I think that has already been established over a number of years
Keep the pressure up there is no room in NZ politics for one so blatantly dishonest as he

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97223 greenfly Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:48:38 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97223 Key's worse. Key’s worse.

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]]> By: rainman http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97219 rainman Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:40:07 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97219 You are joking, right? He's the most dishonest of the lot of them! You are joking, right? He’s the most dishonest of the lot of them!

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/can-you-trust-nick-smith/#comment-97218 greenfly Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:38:53 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7944#comment-97218 Nope! Can you? Nope! Can you?

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