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	<title>Comments on: Aorangi School children – where can they go?</title>
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		<title>By: mainlander</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/aorangi-school-children-%e2%80%93-where-can-they-go/#comment-97444</link>
		<dc:creator>mainlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weedeater - on the outside it looks quite solid, but internally, 50 yrs ago it was built without building paper, and so the internal framing holdng the place up is rotten - so soft you can squish a finger in it - and there is mould all through the internal fabric.

I have to say I get sick of hearing &#039;oh,its a small school, so we don&#039;t need it&#039;.  Lets get something clear - its actually the average size for NZ - most schools outside of the larger cities are around 80 to 100 students or smaller.  

As for &#039;we need roads&#039;.  Sure, but we need children who are well educated more - because Bluepeter - Aorangi has some of the most vulnerable children in chch (refugee, low income, maori and many other cultures).  Academics at the chch uni have hailed the school as an innovative example of best practice that all schools could learn from.  SO, this is not a failing school or a school that is not needed in the network.  To move forward as a country - so we can afford to make roads - we need tax earners, not tax takers (kids who have been failed and are in jail costing us heaps)
There are not enough spaces in surrounding schools - and the stats show that this school is needed.
The roll has not fallen - but remained static.  It is simply an excuse to use this statement - if she was going to close schools with falling rolls in chch then she would be better off on the other side of town where there are a large number of schools whose rolls have fallen - some quite a lot.  But I guess in Woolston etc the lands just not as valuable as in Fendalton!  (and I bet the local mp, a nat, would just love to get rid of the &#039;undesirables&#039; in his flash electorate - what next - kill off the state housing hidden between the flash parts and hes got a win win)

And, finally, 2 mill is a tiny drop in the bucket of education spending - the school actually saves the country money because the specialist programmes they implement keep kids in school, and turn them around so that they don&#039;t fail and end up costing the country many many millions later.  Great message she (Tolley) is sending this community - not white and rich enough for us to care.  

(Oh - and for the record - to give the schools less than 2 weeks to try and find places for these very difficult kids is not only failing them, but the local schools and the other kids that go to them - because some of these kids are hard work - and without time and support it will have an impact on everyone - so if your kids go to one of the other schools these kids are being dumped into - start to worry and do something about it - there is a reason Aorangi is good at what it does!)</description>
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<p>Weedeater &#8211; on the outside it looks quite solid, but internally, 50 yrs ago it was built without building paper, and so the internal framing holdng the place up is rotten &#8211; so soft you can squish a finger in it &#8211; and there is mould all through the internal fabric.</p>
<p>I have to say I get sick of hearing &#8216;oh,its a small school, so we don&#8217;t need it&#8217;.  Lets get something clear &#8211; its actually the average size for NZ &#8211; most schools outside of the larger cities are around 80 to 100 students or smaller.  </p>
<p>As for &#8216;we need roads&#8217;.  Sure, but we need children who are well educated more &#8211; because Bluepeter &#8211; Aorangi has some of the most vulnerable children in chch (refugee, low income, maori and many other cultures).  Academics at the chch uni have hailed the school as an innovative example of best practice that all schools could learn from.  SO, this is not a failing school or a school that is not needed in the network.  To move forward as a country &#8211; so we can afford to make roads &#8211; we need tax earners, not tax takers (kids who have been failed and are in jail costing us heaps)<br />
There are not enough spaces in surrounding schools &#8211; and the stats show that this school is needed.<br />
The roll has not fallen &#8211; but remained static.  It is simply an excuse to use this statement &#8211; if she was going to close schools with falling rolls in chch then she would be better off on the other side of town where there are a large number of schools whose rolls have fallen &#8211; some quite a lot.  But I guess in Woolston etc the lands just not as valuable as in Fendalton!  (and I bet the local mp, a nat, would just love to get rid of the &#8216;undesirables&#8217; in his flash electorate &#8211; what next &#8211; kill off the state housing hidden between the flash parts and hes got a win win)</p>
<p>And, finally, 2 mill is a tiny drop in the bucket of education spending &#8211; the school actually saves the country money because the specialist programmes they implement keep kids in school, and turn them around so that they don&#8217;t fail and end up costing the country many many millions later.  Great message she (Tolley) is sending this community &#8211; not white and rich enough for us to care.  </p>
<p>(Oh &#8211; and for the record &#8211; to give the schools less than 2 weeks to try and find places for these very difficult kids is not only failing them, but the local schools and the other kids that go to them &#8211; because some of these kids are hard work &#8211; and without time and support it will have an impact on everyone &#8211; so if your kids go to one of the other schools these kids are being dumped into &#8211; start to worry and do something about it &#8211; there is a reason Aorangi is good at what it does!)</p>
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		<title>By: weedeater</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/aorangi-school-children-%e2%80%93-where-can-they-go/#comment-97377</link>
		<dc:creator>weedeater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why does a perfectly solid looking school with 87 children on hte roll need $2 million spent on it?

(and why isnt anyone asking this question?)

something is very wrong here if there is not a buget option available for upgrading. can it not be stretched out for a year or three by doing a bit of essential maintence? why on earth is it $2 million or nothing?????</description>
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<p>why does a perfectly solid looking school with 87 children on hte roll need $2 million spent on it?</p>
<p>(and why isnt anyone asking this question?)</p>
<p>something is very wrong here if there is not a buget option available for upgrading. can it not be stretched out for a year or three by doing a bit of essential maintence? why on earth is it $2 million or nothing?????</p>
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		<title>By: BluePeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>BluePeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Gerry has found the answer to the money, money, money, money, money demands of the whack it on the bill lefties: 

&quot;Some conservation land in the Coromandel could be used for mining, Energy and Resources Minister Gerry Brownlee says.

In August, Mr Brownlee said the Government would undertake a stocktake of mineral resources in conservation land, protected under schedule four of the Crown Minerals Act.

The estimated value of untapped minerals has been put at about $140 billion and around 70 per cent of that involved conservation land.&quot;</description>
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<div id='ckhide-97350' style="display:none; opacity:0.4;filter:alpha(opacity=40);">Looks like Gerry has found the answer to the money, money, money, money, money demands of the whack it on the bill lefties: </p>
<p>&#8220;Some conservation land in the Coromandel could be used for mining, Energy and Resources Minister Gerry Brownlee says.</p>
<p>In August, Mr Brownlee said the Government would undertake a stocktake of mineral resources in conservation land, protected under schedule four of the Crown Minerals Act.</p>
<p>The estimated value of untapped minerals has been put at about $140 billion and around 70 per cent of that involved conservation land.&#8221;</p></div>
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		<title>By: BluePeter</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/aorangi-school-children-%e2%80%93-where-can-they-go/#comment-97291</link>
		<dc:creator>BluePeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need roads. 

Unless you intend to fly.</description>
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<div id='ckhide-97291' style="display:none; opacity:0.4;filter:alpha(opacity=40);">We need roads. </p>
<p>Unless you intend to fly.</p></div>
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		<title>By: fastbike</title>
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		<dc:creator>fastbike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BP

But &lt;b&gt;your&lt;/b&gt; govt &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; spending - on worthless white elephant projects like roads.
Haven&#039;t heard you calling these out ?</description>
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<p>But <b>your</b> govt <b>are</b> spending &#8211; on worthless white elephant projects like roads.<br />
Haven&#8217;t heard you calling these out ?</div>
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		<title>By: BluePeter</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/26/aorangi-school-children-%e2%80%93-where-can-they-go/#comment-97234</link>
		<dc:creator>BluePeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.......

It&#039;s just so easy! 

Whack it on the bill, Cath.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s just so easy! </p>
<p>Whack it on the bill, Cath.</p></div>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They can become Prime Minister evidently - he went there didn&#039;t he?......save your old school John, gwan....make you look good</description>
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<p>They can become Prime Minister evidently &#8211; he went there didn&#8217;t he?&#8230;&#8230;save your old school John, gwan&#8230;.make you look good</p>
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		<title>By: BluePeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>BluePeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To think, it you privatised education, then the parents could pay to keep it open. Even better, the loaded local Iwi could!

There are other schools in the area. 

The root of the problem is that we earn less as country than we used to. So where do we get the money? Borrow off those kids&#039; future? Perhaps you should think about ways we could earn more as a country so we can pay for little schools few people attend....</description>
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<p>There are other schools in the area. </p>
<p>The root of the problem is that we earn less as country than we used to. So where do we get the money? Borrow off those kids&#8217; future? Perhaps you should think about ways we could earn more as a country so we can pay for little schools few people attend&#8230;.</p></div>
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