Kore greenfly. He mema au o te Roopu Kakariki. Kaore au i pai ki te Pati Maori me o ratou Mema o Paremata

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I have found a credible evidence of fraud among some scientists in the stories about the e-mails.

http://tinyurl.com/yfdj3zn

I suggest that it be read carefully… particularly by the denialists.

I still think Jones needs to resign… but… it might be best if he goes into this with a good “put up or shut up” offense in which he answers all the questions these e-mails raise. I know the answers for most of them… my problems with his staying have to do with the public perception of his office.

On reflection, he has to come out of the castle and defend it. I’m not sure he is temperamentally equipped for this, but it seems to me that it is the only way to spike the more publicly damaging portions of the controversy.

respectfully
BJ

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mcol – can you leave them a message on their site?
I’ve some pithy phrases, should you need them.

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If there was a fraudulent science conspiracy it would have been uncovered by Echelon as it occured – all the information would be held by NSA back in the US. That George W Bush reluctantly came around to accepting global warming/climate change indicates there is/was no conspiracy known to the Americans.

All that was known would of course be leaked before a major global conference at which little would be achieved – to assist the denialists in gaining public acceptance of this outcome. And making the targeted scientists the guilty men of the time, rather than the governments allowing the inaction.

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greenfly – I do have access to the Maori party website, and the concept of kaitiakitanga, among other tikanga Maori values, is given much weight in the party’s constitution.

Personally speaking, I’ve always thought that the Maori party had more mana than the Act party, and so yes – I did expect more. Objectively speaking? It’s probably unfair to hold them to a higher standard, but I think both parties should at least strive to act consistently with the rules they set themselves.

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mcol – that would be a good place to start. Have you access to a copy of the kaupapa of the Maori Party to see if that is in fact the case? That would be an interesting study.
Mind you, if Act can reverse theirs at the sniff of a perk, should we expect any more from Turia and co?

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Congress May Probe Leaked Global Warming E-Mails

Of course Inhofe is behind this, so we know the results before the probe starts. They only go through the motions in an attempt to provide the wats of the world the thinnest veneer of respectability.

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Ae tautokai, kei te pouri au ki a ratou.
He kaipoti koe ki taua pati?

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Ko te Pati Maori, te pati o te he, o te kupapa hoki.

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No Wat… it isn’t

http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/a6zdw/summary_of_notable_emails_from_the_cru_hacking

For just ONE thing, all of the GISS data (you remember them? Hansen et.al.? ) is publicly available and has been for years.

Don’t just read the stuff that supports your point of view. I don’t. I had a hard time deciding that Jones and Mann had to go. I don’t think they have to go because they are evil, or even bad scientists. They have to go because they chose a closed information model, and because there is no longer any public trust in the organizations they are running because of their presence.

Everything in context. None of that context is really contained in this dataset, which is probably a mercy because it would have been over half a Gig otherwise.

I’ll point it out again. You can get a correct explanation of just about anything in the dump by reading it on RealClimate.

BJ

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“Back to square one with the likes of Wat, Bluepeter, Bro (I think of him as ‘Ken’), Shunda et al.”

Oh be nice!! At least I only criticise those that deserve it

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Rite!
Naianei… pehea?

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bj,

It is much bigger than that.

This powerful and self-serving clique has been manipulating the whole peer-review process and ensuring that contradictory papers are suppressed. It deleted data which did not fit with its agenda. And then it declared victory.

That’s how your “consensus” was fabricated.

Only a root-and-branch investigation can get to the bottom of this and, in some new and transparent way, all the science has to be evaluated and published; not just the stuff that has been distorted to fit the agenda.

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Both!

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mcol – Ko kaitiakitanga te patai, te whakautu ranei?

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Kaitiakitanga?

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