Comments on: A call to men to support White Ribbon Day http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/ hopping along the corridors of power Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:23:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: jessicaKloser http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-98013 jessicaKloser Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:42:37 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-98013 It was very impressive reading this post.I was deeply touched by with the great thought for women.I would have surely joined the event if I was there in Wellington.

It was very impressive reading this post.I was deeply touched by with the great thought for women.I would have surely joined the event if I was there in Wellington.

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]]> By: mcol http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97555 mcol Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:52:32 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97555 D'oh!

D’oh!

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]]> By: E-prophet http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97519 E-prophet Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:02:53 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97519 That 'joke' was not funny mcol. If Pentwig finds it funny then there is a need for him to change his attitude by putting himself in the place of the abused person. Humour often serves to release tension. Anybody who laughs at that 'joke' is probably threatened by women; maybe because they have been verbally abused and put down by a woman. I agree with Pentwig in that being ordered not to laugh will not work. I suggest that anybody who laughs at such jokes needs the help of a cognitive psychologist or similar, if they can be persuaded that they are part of the abuse/violence cycle. E

That ‘joke’ was not funny mcol. If Pentwig finds it funny then there is a need for him to change his attitude by putting himself in the place of the abused person. Humour often serves to release tension. Anybody who laughs at that ‘joke’ is probably threatened by women; maybe because they have been verbally abused and put down by a woman. I agree with Pentwig in that being ordered not to laugh will not work. I suggest that anybody who laughs at such jokes needs the help of a cognitive psychologist or similar, if they can be persuaded that they are part of the abuse/violence cycle.
E

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97348 greenfly Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:36:15 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97348 Nah mcol - it was a joke (pander/panda/two black eyes..)and pretty obscure. By all means do as you will with pentwig - God knows, he's up for it!

Nah mcol – it was a joke (pander/panda/two black eyes..)and pretty obscure.
By all means do as you will with pentwig – God knows, he’s up for it!

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]]> By: mcol http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97345 mcol Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:45 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97345 I'm new(ish) greenfly - I'm yet to learn all the characters around this place. But thanks for the heads up!

I’m new(ish) greenfly – I’m yet to learn all the characters around this place. But thanks for the heads up!

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]]> By: greenfly http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97343 greenfly Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:02:15 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97343 mcol - don't panda to pentwig.
mcol – don’t panda to pentwig.

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]]> By: mcol http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97341 mcol Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:52:50 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97341 Yeah, yeah - you're starting to sound like a stuck record now, pentwig. I have addressed both those points already (PS. the rape culture and "cultural rape" are not the same thing - I've already provided a link for the former concept, you made up the latter!). Here's one for you then pentwig: Q: What do you say to a woman with two black eyes? A: Nothing, you've already told her twice! Hahahahahahahahahaha!... Urrrrgggghh. White Ribbon Day, we have a long way to go...
Yeah, yeah – you’re starting to sound like a stuck record now, pentwig. I have addressed both those points already (PS. the rape culture and “cultural rape” are not the same thing – I’ve already provided a link for the former concept, you made up the latter!).

Here’s one for you then pentwig:

Q: What do you say to a woman with two black eyes?
A: Nothing, you’ve already told her twice!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!… Urrrrgggghh.

White Ribbon Day, we have a long way to go…

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]]> By: pentwig http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97275 pentwig Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:19:32 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97275 mcol "Well, that’s the rape culture, petwig. You’re soaking in it;" your words mcol. If you don't know what rape culture is why accuse me of it? How can you say you did not accuse me of it? As an aside I consider any man who performs rape as a non person who has no status and degenerate, but you will not tell me what humour I will laugh at. I find laughing at good humour whether degenerate or not somewhat uncontrollable. It's a human trait I believe.

mcol

“Well, that’s the rape culture, petwig. You’re soaking in it;” your words mcol.
If you don’t know what rape culture is why accuse me of it?
How can you say you did not accuse me of it?

As an aside I consider any man who performs rape as a non person who has no status and degenerate, but you will not tell me what humour I will laugh at. I find laughing at good humour whether degenerate or not somewhat uncontrollable. It’s a human trait I believe.

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]]> By: mcol http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97232 mcol Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:27:02 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97232 Pentwig, I know I cannot control comic perception. What I am saying is that YOU can control how you perceive humour, as can each of us. If you want to laugh at rape jokes, that's your prerogative. Go for it. I'm just pointing out that it's perhaps not as harmless as you might think. I also didn't accuse you of 'cultural rape'. I don't even know what cultural rape is! What I did say is that you, and I, exist in a rape culture - in which rape jokes are commonplace, women who are raped when they are drunk are 'asking for it', and the majority of rapes go unreported and unpunished. Sapient - thanks!

Pentwig, I know I cannot control comic perception. What I am saying is that YOU can control how you perceive humour, as can each of us. If you want to laugh at rape jokes, that’s your prerogative. Go for it. I’m just pointing out that it’s perhaps not as harmless as you might think.

I also didn’t accuse you of ‘cultural rape’. I don’t even know what cultural rape is! What I did say is that you, and I, exist in a rape culture – in which rape jokes are commonplace, women who are raped when they are drunk are ‘asking for it’, and the majority of rapes go unreported and unpunished.

Sapient – thanks!

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]]> By: Sapient http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97198 Sapient Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:23:29 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97198 Mcol, Put a space before the bracket and the link works fine. Ditto for any other type of punctuation.

Mcol,
Put a space before the bracket and the link works fine. Ditto for any other type of punctuation.

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]]> By: pentwig http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97190 pentwig Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:51:30 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97190 BJChip I start off stating that I dont agree with gender biased programmes then get accused of cultural rape!! Further, I am told to adjust my sense of humour. I think I could catergorise mcol down to the last hair but that would off topic and achieve zilch. I still feel gender biased days to be abhorrent and extremely unPC in todays world. I also will not try to stifle laughter no matter what the humour.

BJChip
I start off stating that I dont agree with gender biased programmes then get accused of cultural rape!! Further, I am told to adjust my sense of humour.
I think I could catergorise mcol down to the last hair but that would off topic and achieve zilch.

I still feel gender biased days to be abhorrent and extremely unPC in todays world. I also will not try to stifle laughter no matter what the humour.

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]]> By: turnip28 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97152 turnip28 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:20:49 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97152 I am not supprised with that study, the only thing is that in society a man getting violent with his wife will usually result in a lot more physical damage, thanks to the fact that male humans are larger and stronger. In my own relationship I can atest to this. My wife is more violent than me, however i am never afraid of her due to the fact I am bigger and stronger than her. I think couples should always practise restraint but if you are physically larger and stronger you should probably practise MORE restraint. I think one of the reasons women can be violent is that their violent actions often do not cause physical damage so they can get away with that kind of behaviour far more than someone who is bigger, I don't think this is just reserved for women, if you grow up as a boy and you are much bigger than the other boys you usually develop a more passive approach to violence, in my experience it's always the little guy in the bar who starts the fight
I am not supprised with that study, the only thing is that in society a man getting violent with his wife will usually result in a lot more physical damage, thanks to the fact that male humans are larger and stronger.

In my own relationship I can atest to this. My wife is more violent than me, however i am never afraid of her due to the fact I am bigger and stronger than her. I think couples should always practise restraint but if you are physically larger and stronger you should probably practise MORE restraint.

I think one of the reasons women can be violent is that their violent actions often do not cause physical damage so they can get away with that kind of behaviour far more than someone who is bigger, I don’t think this is just reserved for women, if you grow up as a boy and you are much bigger than the other boys you usually develop a more passive approach to violence, in my experience it’s always the little guy in the bar who starts the fight

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]]> By: bjchip http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97149 bjchip Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:40:22 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97149 Just to keep this on an even keel. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html Which is something I can personally attest to, as I have been slapped a couple of times now, and have had to restrain my wife with respect to my kids... and I have never hit her at all. This is very different from the rape issue, but indicates that there is a need to differentiate the generic "violence" issues from the culture of male-dominance female-as-chattel that allows rape to be excused on account of "provocation". I sense some cross purposes here.. trying to highlight them. respectfully BJ So
Just to keep this on an even keel.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html

Which is something I can personally attest to, as I have been slapped a couple of times now, and have had to restrain my wife with respect to my kids… and I have never hit her at all.

This is very different from the rape issue, but indicates that there is a need to differentiate the generic “violence” issues from the culture of male-dominance female-as-chattel that allows rape to be excused on account of “provocation”.

I sense some cross purposes here.. trying to highlight them.

respectfully
BJ

So

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]]> By: pentwig http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97148 pentwig Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:06:20 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97148 mcol Good grief that's pulling an extremely long bow. Even if you take it seriously (apparently you do), you cannot control satire or comic perception.

mcol
Good grief that’s pulling an extremely long bow.
Even if you take it seriously (apparently you do), you cannot control satire or comic perception.

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]]> By: mcol http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97147 mcol Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:56:28 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97147 Don't think those links are working. The article about the study is called "Sexist Humor No Laughing Matter, Psychologist Says" and can be found at sciencedaily. The t-shirt(s) are on a blog called Sociological Images, and the post is called Sexist T-Shirts.

Don’t think those links are working. The article about the study is called “Sexist Humor No Laughing Matter, Psychologist Says” and can be found at sciencedaily. The t-shirt(s) are on a blog called Sociological Images, and the post is called Sexist T-Shirts.

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]]> By: mcol http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97146 mcol Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:52:51 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97146 Did you read that post I linked? Because that does a good job of explaining it. I can point you to scientific evidence that rape-based/sexist humour is not as harmless as you might think (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106083038.htm), or I could explain that you are perpetuating an attitude which means that many men are not convicted of rape, or are found to be acting under mitigating circumstances, if they rape a girl who is drunk or a girl who dresses provocatively. It's not too far of a mental leap to see how "humorous" t-shirts saying "it's not rape if she blinks twice" reinforce such attitudes. (In case you don't think a t-shirt like that actually exists, http://contexts.org/socimages/2007/10/29/since-were-on-the-topic-of-grotesque-t-shirts/).
Did you read that post I linked? Because that does a good job of explaining it. I can point you to scientific evidence that rape-based/sexist humour is not as harmless as you might think (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106083038.htm), or I could explain that you are perpetuating an attitude which means that many men are not convicted of rape, or are found to be acting under mitigating circumstances, if they rape a girl who is drunk or a girl who dresses provocatively. It’s not too far of a mental leap to see how “humorous” t-shirts saying “it’s not rape if she blinks twice” reinforce such attitudes. (In case you don’t think a t-shirt like that actually exists, http://contexts.org/socimages/2007/10/29/since-were-on-the-topic-of-grotesque-t-shirts/).

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]]> By: pentwig http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97145 pentwig Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:45:07 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97145 mcol Please explain to me how I suscribe to rape culture by having a sense of humour.

mcol
Please explain to me how I suscribe to rape culture by having a sense of humour.

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]]> By: mcol http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97144 mcol Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:39:00 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97144 Pentwig*, sorry.

Pentwig*, sorry.

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]]> By: mcol http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97143 mcol Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:32:57 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97143 Well, that's the rape culture, petwig. You're soaking in it; we all are. http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html

Well, that’s the rape culture, petwig. You’re soaking in it; we all are.

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html

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]]> By: pentwig http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/25/a-call-to-men-to-support-white-ribbon-day/#comment-97134 pentwig Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:56:09 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/?p=7841#comment-97134 mcol & photonz1 Violence is violence no matter what gender is responsible. To single out one gender is hypopcrisy at its best. I would consider an anti violence stance in the family more to the point and more honest. Oh and mcol I prefer not to be told on how to react to any sort of humour. That the humour might be in bad taste is irrevelant, if it is comical I will laugh. This is commonly an involuntary reaction.

mcol & photonz1

Violence is violence no matter what gender is responsible.
To single out one gender is hypopcrisy at its best.
I would consider an anti violence stance in the family more to the point and more honest.

Oh and mcol I prefer not to be told on how to react to any sort of humour. That the humour might be in bad taste is irrevelant, if it is comical I will laugh. This is commonly an involuntary reaction.

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