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	<title>Comments on: Vote for a sustainable ocean: buy the best fish</title>
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		<title>By: MarieFranklin</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/03/vote-for-a-sustainable-ocean-buy-the-best-fish/#comment-95092</link>
		<dc:creator>MarieFranklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say great job and I have bookmarked this site.  Thanks for the resources!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say great job and I have bookmarked this site.  Thanks for the resources!
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/03/vote-for-a-sustainable-ocean-buy-the-best-fish/#comment-94915</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is a call/plan for an 80% reduction by 2020..

&lt;blockquote&gt;“..International agreements take too long ..

.. we need a swift mobilisation not seen since the second world war

For those concerned about global warming, all eyes are on December’s UN climate change conference in Copenhagen.

The stakes could not be higher.

Almost every new report shows that the climate is changing even faster than the most dire projections of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in their 2007 report.

Yet from my vantage point, internationally negotiated climate agreements are fast becoming obsolete for two reasons.

First, since no government wants to concede too much compared with other governments ..

.. the negotiated goals for cutting carbon emissions will almost certainly be minimalist ..

.. not remotely approaching the bold cuts that are needed.

And second, since it takes years to negotiate and ratify these agreements, we may simply run out of time.

This is not to say that we should not participate in the negotiations .. and work hard to get the best possible result.

But we should not rely on these agreements to save civilisation.

Saving civilisation is going to require an enormous effort to cut carbon emissions.

The good news is that we can do this with current technologies, which I detail in my book, Plan B 4.0: Mobilizing to Save Civilization.

Plan B aims to stabilise climate, stabilise population, eradicate poverty, and restore the economy’s natural support systems.

It prescribes a worldwide cut in net carbon emissions of 80% by 2020 ..

.. thus keeping atmospheric CO2 concentrations from exceeding 400 parts per million (ppm).. in an attempt to hold temperature rise to a minimum.

The eventual plan would be to return concentrations to 350 ppm, as agreed by the top US climate scientist at Nasa, James Hansen, and Rajendra Pachauri, head of the IPCC.

In setting this goal we did not ask what would be politically popular ..

.. but rather what it would take to have a decent shot at saving the Greenland ice sheet ..

.. and at least the larger glaciers in the mountains of Asia.

By default, this is a question of food security for us all..”&lt;blockquote&gt;

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/we-only-have-months-not-years-to-save-civilisation-from-climate-change/

phil(whoar.co.nz)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is a call/plan for an 80% reduction by 2020..</p>
<blockquote><p>“..International agreements take too long ..</p>
<p>.. we need a swift mobilisation not seen since the second world war</p>
<p>For those concerned about global warming, all eyes are on December’s UN climate change conference in Copenhagen.</p>
<p>The stakes could not be higher.</p>
<p>Almost every new report shows that the climate is changing even faster than the most dire projections of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in their 2007 report.</p>
<p>Yet from my vantage point, internationally negotiated climate agreements are fast becoming obsolete for two reasons.</p>
<p>First, since no government wants to concede too much compared with other governments ..</p>
<p>.. the negotiated goals for cutting carbon emissions will almost certainly be minimalist ..</p>
<p>.. not remotely approaching the bold cuts that are needed.</p>
<p>And second, since it takes years to negotiate and ratify these agreements, we may simply run out of time.</p>
<p>This is not to say that we should not participate in the negotiations .. and work hard to get the best possible result.</p>
<p>But we should not rely on these agreements to save civilisation.</p>
<p>Saving civilisation is going to require an enormous effort to cut carbon emissions.</p>
<p>The good news is that we can do this with current technologies, which I detail in my book, Plan B 4.0: Mobilizing to Save Civilization.</p>
<p>Plan B aims to stabilise climate, stabilise population, eradicate poverty, and restore the economy’s natural support systems.</p>
<p>It prescribes a worldwide cut in net carbon emissions of 80% by 2020 ..</p>
<p>.. thus keeping atmospheric CO2 concentrations from exceeding 400 parts per million (ppm).. in an attempt to hold temperature rise to a minimum.</p>
<p>The eventual plan would be to return concentrations to 350 ppm, as agreed by the top US climate scientist at Nasa, James Hansen, and Rajendra Pachauri, head of the IPCC.</p>
<p>In setting this goal we did not ask what would be politically popular ..</p>
<p>.. but rather what it would take to have a decent shot at saving the Greenland ice sheet ..</p>
<p>.. and at least the larger glaciers in the mountains of Asia.</p>
<p>By default, this is a question of food security for us all..”<br />
<blockquote>
<p><a href="http://whoar.co.nz/2009/we-only-have-months-not-years-to-save-civilisation-from-climate-change/" rel="nofollow">http://whoar.co.nz/2009/we-only-have-months-not-years-to-save-civilisa tion-from-climate-change/</a></p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: greenfly</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/03/vote-for-a-sustainable-ocean-buy-the-best-fish/#comment-94909</link>
		<dc:creator>greenfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a curious thing that we describe the condition of the fish populations in our oceans by whether or not there&#039;ll be enough of them for us to eat. Is that the extent of our relationship with them - whether we can get them in our mouths? 
I&#039;m reminded of a toddler with a slobbered-on block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a curious thing that we describe the condition of the fish populations in our oceans by whether or not there&#8217;ll be enough of them for us to eat. Is that the extent of our relationship with them &#8211; whether we can get them in our mouths?<br />
I&#8217;m reminded of a toddler with a slobbered-on block.
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		<title>By: Sam Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/03/vote-for-a-sustainable-ocean-buy-the-best-fish/#comment-94905</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil - are you saying we should go vegan so our grandchildren won&#039;t have to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil &#8211; are you saying we should go vegan so our grandchildren won&#8217;t have to?
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		<title>By: greenfly</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/03/vote-for-a-sustainable-ocean-buy-the-best-fish/#comment-94887</link>
		<dc:creator>greenfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 07:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many fish species that should be left in the water (that&#039;s the place for plaice).
If you must fish, catch and release (you too whitebaiters!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many fish species that should be left in the water (that&#8217;s the place for plaice).<br />
If you must fish, catch and release (you too whitebaiters!)
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		<title>By: phil u</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/03/vote-for-a-sustainable-ocean-buy-the-best-fish/#comment-94884</link>
		<dc:creator>phil u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(i wrote this in 2006..)

science magazine has published startling/disturbing research results that clearly show…that continuing to fish the seas at the rate we do…
means most species now harvested/eaten will be gone by the middle of this century..

(now..!..that ain’t far away folks…!)

and as for our futures if we don’t stop doing this..and much more…?

think ‘easter island’…

it’s as simple as that..eh..?

(now..i don’t wanna ‘nag’ here or anything….but can i once again exhort you to consider the diet of the future..(if we have one)…
namely..go vegan..eh..?)

(and sorry..going vegetarian..and still eating dairy..is nearly there…but y’know…!
animal pain/shit run-off etc etc…still means being part of the problem..eh..?)

just meditate for a while on what you eat..and what each item you eat ‘does’ to the planet..

it ain’t rocket science..eh..?

and (like many other things/advances)…when you are there…you find it hard to understand why others can’t see what for you is the ‘bleedin’ obvious’..eh..?

so i guess i’ll just have to continue ‘nagging’…(but only when appropriate..eh..?)

cos’..if you don’t listen to/heed the naggers…our future looks decidedly grim..eh..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2006/still-eating-fishyour-grandchildren-wont-be/

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(i wrote this in 2006..)</p>
<p>science magazine has published startling/disturbing research results that clearly show…that continuing to fish the seas at the rate we do…<br />
means most species now harvested/eaten will be gone by the middle of this century..</p>
<p>(now..!..that ain’t far away folks…!)</p>
<p>and as for our futures if we don’t stop doing this..and much more…?</p>
<p>think ‘easter island’…</p>
<p>it’s as simple as that..eh..?</p>
<p>(now..i don’t wanna ‘nag’ here or anything….but can i once again exhort you to consider the diet of the future..(if we have one)…<br />
namely..go vegan..eh..?)</p>
<p>(and sorry..going vegetarian..and still eating dairy..is nearly there…but y’know…!<br />
animal pain/shit run-off etc etc…still means being part of the problem..eh..?)</p>
<p>just meditate for a while on what you eat..and what each item you eat ‘does’ to the planet..</p>
<p>it ain’t rocket science..eh..?</p>
<p>and (like many other things/advances)…when you are there…you find it hard to understand why others can’t see what for you is the ‘bleedin’ obvious’..eh..?</p>
<p>so i guess i’ll just have to continue ‘nagging’…(but only when appropriate..eh..?)</p>
<p>cos’..if you don’t listen to/heed the naggers…our future looks decidedly grim..eh..?</p>
<p><a href="http://whoar.co.nz/2006/still-eating-fishyour-grandchildren-wont-be/" rel="nofollow">http://whoar.co.nz/2006/still-eating-fishyour-grandchildren-wont-be/</a></p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)
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		<title>By: Skinman</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/03/vote-for-a-sustainable-ocean-buy-the-best-fish/#comment-94875</link>
		<dc:creator>Skinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I emailed FIsh &amp; Game to get a copy. They&#039;ll send out extra copies as well for people who are keen to help out and pass them onto friends, local chefs etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I emailed FIsh &amp; Game to get a copy. They&#8217;ll send out extra copies as well for people who are keen to help out and pass them onto friends, local chefs etc.
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/03/vote-for-a-sustainable-ocean-buy-the-best-fish/#comment-94860</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guide is a relative scale; and assessments of each species are against set criteria. So no fish species currently has &quot;green&quot; status, but some are &quot;greener&quot; than the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guide is a relative scale; and assessments of each species are against set criteria. So no fish species currently has &#8220;green&#8221; status, but some are &#8220;greener&#8221; than the others.
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		<title>By: StephenR</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/03/vote-for-a-sustainable-ocean-buy-the-best-fish/#comment-94855</link>
		<dc:creator>StephenR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to slightly contradict itself when the pocket guide has for example anchovy and pilchard in the green, but the website link has them in orange:
http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/saving-our-environment/fish-species-ratings
Is the pocket guide then just what&#039;s &#039;relatively&#039; good (&#039;best&#039;) than simply good/bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to slightly contradict itself when the pocket guide has for example anchovy and pilchard in the green, but the website link has them in orange:<br />
<a href="http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/saving-our-environment/fish-species-ratings" rel="nofollow">http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/saving-our-environment/fish-species-ra tings</a><br />
Is the pocket guide then just what&#8217;s &#8216;relatively&#8217; good (&#8216;best&#8217;) than simply good/bad?
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