“..20 reasons America has lost its soul .. and collapse is inevitable

Jack Bogle published “The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism” four years ago.

The battle’s over.

The sequel should be titled: “Capitalism Died a Lost Soul.”

Worse, we’ve lost “America’s Soul.”

And, worldwide, the consequences will be catastrophic.

That’s why a man like Hong Kong contrarian economist Marc Faber warns in his Doom, Boom & Gloom Report:..

.. “The future will be a total disaster, with a collapse of our capitalistic system as we know it today.”

No, not just another meltdown, another bear-market recession like the one recently triggered by Wall Street’s too-greedy-to-fail banks.

Faber is warning that the entire system of capitalism will collapse.

Get it?

The engine driving the great “American Economic Empire” for 233 years will collapse ..

.. a total disaster .. a destiny we created.

OK, deny it.

But I’ll bet you have a nagging feeling that maybe he’s right .. that the end may be near.

I have for a long time: ..

.. I wrote a column back in 1997: “Battling for the Soul of Wall Street.”

My interest in “The Soul” — what Jung called the “collective unconscious” — dates back to my Ph.D. dissertation, “Modern Man in Search of His Soul,” a title borrowed from Jung’s 1933 book, “Modern Man in Search of a Soul.”

This battle has been on my mind since my days at Morgan Stanley 30 years ago .. witnessing the decline.

Has capitalism lost its soul?

Guys like Bogle and Faber sense it.

Read more about the soul in physicist Gary Zukav’s “The Seat of the Soul,” Thomas Moore’s “Care of the Soul” and sacred texts.

But for Wall Street and American capitalism, use your gut.

You know something’s very wrong: ..

..A year ago, too-greedy-to-fail banks were insolvent, in a near-death experience.

Now, magically, they’re back to business as usual, arrogant, pocketing outrageous bonuses while Main Street sacrifices ..

.. and unemployment and foreclosures continue rising as tight credit, inflation and skyrocketing federal debt .. are killing taxpayers.

Yes, Wall Street has lost its moral compass.

It created the mess, but now, like vultures, Wall Streeters are capitalizing on the carcass.

They have lost all sense of fiduciary duty, ethical responsibility and public obligation.

Here are the Top 20 reasons American capitalism has lost its soul:..”

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/death-of-soul-of-capitalism/

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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Rodney’s Grip Won’t loosen(just moves).
He’s no martyr and won’t touch a Penny of his own Salary.
Relieve Him of the White Man’s Burden I say!
WE Can use that Money Rod…
Yep – Freeda Pigs, Dophins, Earth.
A switch’ll need flicking but!
Sapient; Gifted Author (that’s my tick there!)

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the b*stard from the pig board is the one that sue kedgeley has been giving speeches with..

where she urges listeners to eat more of the evil product he peddles..

hang yr head in shame..!

eh..?

w.t.f.are you thinking..?

are you so immersed in your own addictions..

that you see nothing wrong with this..?

and are happy to associate yourself..and the green party..

with these vile/cruel doings..?

i ask again..

w.t.f.are you thinking..?

and..are you still the party spokesperson for animal welfare..?

and..are you above answering simple questions/explaining yourself..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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I got bored between entering my exam and arriving home:

“Once upon a time, in a place far far away (South Auckland) there lived a mother tui and a father tui and three little children tui.
One day the father tui got beaten to the best bunch of berries by another tui because he was too slow. The father tui spent the rest of the day with his friends drinking the tasty nectar of the flax flower.
When the father tui finally got back to the nest the father tui was dismayed to find that the eldest of the children tui had not yet flown. The father tui clicked loudly at the eldest child tui to fly. When the child tui could not fly the father tui got mad and said to the child tui “click click whitsle, cackle groan” which translates roughly as “you will do what I f*cking tell you to do!”. As the father tui tried to push the child tui out of the nest the mother blocked his way, protecting the child tui.
The father got even more mad and said to the mother tui “whistle click groan”; “know your position b*tch”. The father tui then tried to make more child tui with the mother while she yelled “click, click, click”; “no, no, no”. The neighbour tui, hearing this, called the Kererū’ whom then arrived and took both the mother tui and the father tui to the nest with bars. The wise Kakapo then ordered the father tui to stay atleast a tree away from the mother tui at all times and the mother tui returned home.
Three days latter the father tui violated the order of the wise Kakapo and visited the nest of the mother tui, he sung a song of “groan, groan, groan”; “sorry, sorry, sorry”. The mother tui took the father tui back into the nest and the mother tui and the father tui told the children tui that there was no problem, that the Kererū’ and the wise Kakapo were bad and trying to break them up. Four days after his return he again drank too much from the flax flowers while hanging with his tui mates. The song of “whistle click groan” was again heard throughout the trees; the Kererū’ was again called, and the wise Kakapo again ordered the father tui to stay at least a tree away from the mother.
This repeated many many times and every time the Kererū’ and the wise Kakapo were there and every time they were blamed for the unhappiness of the mother, father, and children.

One day in the late spring, the father tui had consumed more of the flax nectar than usual and returned home. This time he actually threw the oldest child tui from the nest to the ground bellow where a stoat rapidly ate the child. The mother tui was even more loud than usual, screams of ‘click groan, click click groan’ could be heard through-out the valley; “you bast%rd, you fu*king bast%rd”. When the Kererū’ arrived the mother bird too had fallen prey to the stoat.
The two younger children tui, not yet mentioned, did, for the rest of their lives, tell of how bad and nasty the Kererū’ and the wise Kakapo were.”

Did I go a little too far?

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mike king and safe are on campbell live tonight..

with another expose on the horrors of the pig concentration camps..

so..you ‘green’ pig-eaters would do well to watch it..eh..?

and then..think on..!

eh..?

oh..!..cd someone give sue kedgley a heads-up about it..?

and she might want to ‘think on’ on her current practice of touring the country..

giving speeches..acting as a tout/pimp for these cruel b*stards..

by urging people to eat more pigs..

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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The comment paging has been confusing many people. I’ve just turned it off.

The super long threads will naturally grind to a halt once the load times get too great

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“..Jonathan Safran Foer’s book Eating Animals changed me from a twenty-year vegetarian to a vegan activist.

I’ve always been shy about being critical of others’ choices .. because I hate when people do that to me.

I’m often interrogated about being vegetarian (e.g., “What if you find out that carrots feel pain, too? Then what’ll you eat?”).

I’ve also been afraid to feel as if I know better than someone else — a historically dangerous stance ..

.. (I’m often reminded that “Hitler was a vegetarian, too, you know”).

But this book reminded me that some things are just wrong.

Perhaps others disagree with me that animals have personalities ..

.. but the highly documented torture of animals is unacceptable ..

.. and the human cost Foer describes in his book .. of which I was previously unaware .. is universally compelling.

The human cost of factory farming — both the compromised welfare of slaughterhouse workers and, even more, the environmental effects of the mass production of animals — is staggering.

Foer details the copious amounts of pig shit sprayed into the air that result in great spikes in human respiratory ailments ..

.. the development of new bacterial strains due to overuse of antibiotics on farmed animals, and the origins of the swine flu epidemic, whose story has gripped the nation, in factory farms.

I read the chapter on animal shit aloud to two friends — one is from Iowa and has asthma and the other is a North Carolinian who couldn’t eat fish from her local river ..

.. because animal waste had been dumped in it as described in the book.

They had never truly thought about the connection between their environmental conditions and their food.

The story of the mass farming of animals had more impact on them .. when they realized it had ruined their own backyards.

But what Foer most bravely details is how eating animal pollutes not only our backyards .. but also our beliefs.

He reminds us that our food is symbolic of what we believe in ..

.. and that eating is how we demonstrate to ourselves and to others our beliefs: ..

.. Catholics take communion — in which food and drink represent body and blood.

Jews use salty water on Passover to remind them of the slaves’ bitter tears.

And on Thanksgiving, Americans use succotash and slaughter to tell our own creation myth —

– how the Pilgrims learned from Native Americans to harvest this land .. and make it their own.

And as we use food to impart our beliefs to our children, the point from which Foer lifts off ..

.. what stories do we want to tell our children through their food?

I remember in college, a professor asked our class to consider what our grandchildren would look back on as being backward behavior or thinking in our generation ..

.. the way we are shocked by the kind of misogyny, racism, and sexism we know was commonplace in our grandparents’ world.

He urged us to use this principle to examine the behaviors in our lives and our societies .. that we should be a part of changing.

Factory farming of animals will be one of the things we look back on as a relic of a less-evolved age..”

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/jonathan-safran-foers-eating-animals-turned-me-vegan/

(i know you are a man of logic..so i’ll just keep placing the evidence..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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I am sure I personally could manage 8 of them a week. Just don’t cut off my coffee supply.

BJ

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You could say that… just not in a good way. The comments are already full of problems…

http://eatinganimals.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/climate-chicanery/

Like I said… I want to see a peer-reviewed version of this. I think that with the obvious problems removed, it will still show that “eating meat is worse than we thought”. The increase of activity of the methane alone guarantees that result.

The 51% claim made in the paper however, is almost certainly not supportable and when I read the report on the report my cr@p detector went off.

Sorry…

…and Meatless days would STILL be a good idea.

respectfully
BJ

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this is another take on that same work..b.j..

that may answer some of your questions..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/livestock-account-for-51-greenhouse-gases-meat-and-dairy-must-be-replaced/

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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I’m still on record as wanting meatless days (Start with one). It would give me a bit of leverage with the Mother-In-Law. The meal isn’t complete if it doesn’t have meat seems to be a Russian cultural bias.

Besides, if we go for it maybe we can get McCartney to visit.

I’d certainly accept that the impact is larger than previously thought, not sure that it is larger than the industrial contribution. I’ll wait for the peer reviewed version.

respectfully
BJ

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“..Climate change emissions from meat production are far higher than estimated ..

.. according to a controversial new study that will fuel the debate on whether people should eat fewer animal products to help the environment.

In a paper published by a respected United States think tank, the Worldwatch Institute ..

.. two World Bank environmental advisers claim that instead of 18 per cent of global emissions being caused by meat, the true figure is 51 per cent.

They claim United Nations figures have severely underestimated the greenhouse gases caused by tens of billions of cattle, sheep, pigs, poultry and other animals in three main areas: ..

.. methane, land use and respiration.

Their findings – which are likely to prompt fierce debate among academics -

- come amid increasing calls from climate change experts for people to eat less meat.

In the 19-page report, Robert Goodland, a former lead environmental adviser to the World Bank, and Jeff Anhang, a current adviser, suggest domesticated animals cause 32 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (CO2) ..

.. more than the combined impact of industry and energy.

The accepted figure is 18 per cent, taken from a landmark UN report in 2006, Livestock’s Long Shadow.

“If this argument is right,” write Goodland and Anhang ..

.. “it implies that replacing livestock products with better alternatives .. would be the best strategy for reversing climate change.

“In fact, this approach would have far more rapid effects on greenhouse gas emissions and their atmospheric concentrations ..

.. than actions to replace fossil fuels with renewable energy.”

Their call to move to meat substitutes accords with the views of the chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Dr Rajendra Pachauri ..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/meat-eating-far-worse-than-thought-studyreplacing-livestock-products-with-better-alternatives-would-be-the-best-strategy-for-reversing-climate-change/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
.. who has described eating less meat as “the most attractive opportunity” for making immediate changes to climate change..”

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‘the second page’?

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The posts seem to be there but don’t appear all on the same page after a certain number. Have a look at the second page.

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As soon as Rodney loosens his grip, we’re on!

Frog. Any idea why the comments of redandblack and my polite self, failed to make a showing on the ‘farming’ thread yesterday?

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O’Tahiti was the Islands early name – an expression of wonder as early explorers considered they had truly found Paradise – a few Hinano’s and you see gold glitter woman everywhere.
What a shame I don’t drink (not since guzzling came in anyway).
India, a must; – the Mughal’s Fort in Delhi, Varanasi, Poona, Goa – once we’re on the Pig’s Back, all will be possible!

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Mark – I’ve read Kipling – should we pencil in India?
I like Gauguin too, so…Tahiti? Am I asking too much?

(Hinano is a great brew and you’ve seen the logo?)

http://www.aloha2go.com/catalog/catalog-pic3/tshirt-hinano-orig.JPG

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She, Shunda.

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Yer Good Friends all Over America – we’ll do well there – “Dreaming of Babylon” is I reckin, Brautigan’s Best, and he is generally good. Hard book to find – I had to go to San Francisco to buy a copy…James Lee Burke can crank out the Stories pretty well too.

Arseneau can’t cut the Crap Phil? I don’t know what to think….poor fella.

Yes I thought of Met first up for PM – then you’ve got the sterling Kevin Hague – the Diplomatic Russel. Dr Kennedy Graham speaks almost like he’s praying….it comes off well – the Greens are somewhat embarrassed by the wealth of choices in Fact – particularly when you look at what’s on offer across the House – tawdry thefts by people who say WE’VE got to tighten our belts – always a losing hand….That Rodney really must have a Hi…Hi….Skin thick as a rhinocerous. Betchya he’d like to Hi…Hi…conceal his Partners Big Quango – $25,000 to go round the world? I hope you’re reading this Dr Pita.
We’re a comparitively small gang and won’t use up much of your Budget – just the Bare Necessities….all 200 of them(each)!

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You might be surprised greenfly, the question is who would be more civil?

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