by frog
For those who missed it live, Sue Bradford’s Valedictory speech will be posted later today.
In the meantime…
Published in THE GAME by frog on Thu, October 29th, 2009
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General Debate, October 29, 2009
Published: October 29, 2009
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
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ON Ryan’s RNZ show this morning Sue sounded like the lass of Melbourne back in the day when she was media-depicted under horse’s hooves for a sound social cause. Yep, one can understand from whence her following comes..
Good luck to her.. the moreso should she align with global calling for human responsibility for human problems… a somewhat wider than simply social theme.
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Those with a hunger to know how Bill ticks (or at least how he’s seen by others) might enjoy this:
http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.com/search?q=
Kinda makes me like him a bit…
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this low-rating shading is just stupid/annoying..
it’s not broken..
stop trying to ‘fix it’..
i mean..who thought this lame exercise up..?..
hands-up..!
phil(whoar.co.nz
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You can adjust it on your own machine Phil.
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because it’s so important (too my mind).
Bill
October 30, 2009 at 9:50 am
Can I suggest folks not already familiar with National/Acts strategy go off and read Naomi Klein’s ‘Shock Doctrine’ for a fairly insightful analysis of this ploy?
What I find particularly depressing is that this rushing through of one legislative change on top of the next was done in the 80s as well as the 90s. On both occasions the left was swamped by the magnitude and speed of the change and totally ineffective in its challenges or protests.
I can understand the non-preparedness of the 80s; less so the 90s and can see no excuse for the left being so awry in the 00s.
I’d like to think that the ACC lesson will be learned : that you don’t ghettoise your protest by focussing on a detail of a proposal, no matter how outrageous and important that detail may appear to be.
I’d punt that all upcoming contentious changes will contain utterly untenable details designed to first of all suck in and then neutralise protest through the particulars around the detail being ceded.
Protest has to keep an eye on the big picture at all times or it will be, not just neutralised (as in ACC) but contribute to a false environment where a feeling exists that the government is being responsive and held to account when in fact they are simply playing the whole f*cking lot of us.
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Water colours, Mark, or oils?
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http://whoar.co.nz/2009/the-cannabis-conundrumthe-other-paradox-is-tha t-schizophrenia-seems-to-be-disappearing-from-the-general-population-e ven-though-cannabis-use-has-increased-markedly-in-the-last-30-years/
“..If we look on the generous side, there is a likelihood that taking cannabis, particularly if you use a lot of it, will make you more prone to having psychotic experiences.
That includes schizophrenia.
But schizophrenia is a relatively rare condition .. so it’s very hard to be sure about its causation.
The analysis we came up with was that smokers of cannabis are about 2.6 times more likely to have a psychotic-like experience than non-smokers.
To put that figure in proportion, you are 20 times more likely to get lung cancer if you smoke tobacco than if you don’t.
The other paradox is that schizophrenia seems to be disappearing (from the general population)..
.. even though cannabis use has increased markedly in the last 30 years.
So, even though skunk has been around now for 10 years, there has been no upswing in schizophrenia.
In fact, where people have looked .. they haven’t found any evidence linking cannabis use in a population and schizophrenia.
Nevertheless, one of the key arguments in moving cannabis from class C to B was the concern that skunk would cause more psychosis..”
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Who is running a conspiracy to take over the planet? It isn’t the Greens. Not hardly folks…
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2009/10/about-jobless-recover y-myth.html
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are you scared of sensitive green eyes being soiled/defiled by the sight/reading of ‘unpopular’ comments..?
is this a new benchmark in knee-jerk reaction..?..or what..?
or in mindless-screwing-around-with-something..?
and why is everyone opted in..?
why not give them the option to opt in..eh..?
do you ever think these things through ..
..past the first illuminating/finding of ‘a brilliant idea’..
the ‘let’s do that!’ phase..?
it would appear not..eh..?
and..
any rough timetable of the posting of the bradford valedictory-speech..?..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Phil – re unpopular comments, have you looked at the bar that runs above the very first comment on each thread, where you can set the level of ‘fade’ as far as -30? If you already know this, I apologise for harping.
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Phil
It was posted an hour ago. CHECK things before you get all angry… OK ?
The thing about the ratings? I kinda like having them. Not a particularly strong feeling either way… but it is nice to get acknowledgment of some sort.
Nice catch on that Cannabis story.
respectfully
BJ
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Oh Oils of Coarse Fly – note how they’re running an uncalled for Poll on MMP? They’d like to run unfettered.
I’m beginning to see signs of the unpopular arrogance that got Labour SO unelected last time – this Govt. is, and looks and behaves, like a default mode Govt.
During those times I’m let out of the latex restraints (less and less lately) I speak with the common NZ’er – each of whom has a most uncommon dislike of ignorant jackbooted authoritarianism.
Ah if only they would VOTE!
ps bj; that’s me trying to take over the world…..it’s an inside job shhhh!
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Phil,
Aptly, I just so happen to be reviewing my contact course notes covering schizophrenia at this moment.
As I have discussed previously, there is a well-known link between cannabis use and the latter development of schizophrenia. But only in people with a diathesis toward such a development. That is to say; there is a link but to be affected one has to be susceptable in the first place. The only ones whom do develop it are those whom have the potential to develop this, as you state, rare disorder.
On the other hand the physiological changes in the brain induced by the drug are well documented as are the long term effects on IQ and short-term memory.
Not that I’m against the drug, I’m strongly for legalisation, I just dislike half truths.
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what are ‘contact course notes covering schizophrenia ‘..?
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Phil,
As in notes I made and was given when attending the contact course for one of my papers on psychopathology. In this case in relation to schizophrenia.
A contact course is a period of, usually, a week when extramural students come to campus and make contact with each other and the lecturer and have lectures, assessment, etc. Its often quite intense.
Since it is in my notes and not directly out of my text book I can not provide you with links to the studies without actually going and searching for them as I tend not to bother to include the references for such minor things (read limited time to write notes and process concepts).
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and you are posting that as a counter to the reports that..
1)..pot use has increased enormously in 30 years..
2)..schizophrenia rates have dropped in those years..
(ten of which have had ’skunk’..)
where are the ‘half-truths..?
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Phil,
No, not as a counter.
What I am saying is that there is a correlation but that the correlation only applies in individuals which would be susceptable to schizophrenia in the first place. That is, weed does not so much cause schizophrenia as it does contribute to its emergence in individuals whom have the potential to become schizophrenic in the first place.
Only a very small part of the population has that potential, thus why the apparent correlations are so small as to appear non-sigificant in studies which look at an entire population without diathesis assessment. Schizophrenia displays high co-morbidity with other disorders, esspecially substance abuse, and thus those with the potential to develop schizophrenia are likely already represented among weed users and thus the incidence of schizophrenia will not increase as a result of increasing weed consumption. Its relatively simple population statistics.
Schizophrenia develops as a combination of diathesis and stress, if schizophrenia rates are dropping it would seem to suggest that either less individuals with diathesis are being born or that those with diathesis are encountering less stressors which would otherwise work to trigger the schizophrenia; not as a result of increased weed consumption.
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Rodney Hide’s watery excuse-making for his perking is a disgrace! Have you no shame at all Hide?
‘I’m not a martyr’, Hide whined.
No Rodney, you are a yellow-backed perker.
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also no surprise that phil ‘hey guys..!..it’s only eighty-one grand..!’ heatley..
also has his snout deep in the travel-trough..
a slow anger/impatience is building out here..i feel..
politicians would be fools to just try and ignore it..
in the hope it will just go away..
it won’t..
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I’m with the Fly here Rodney – nex’ time you travel, be prepared to get the Earth between your toes – in Fact; I think we may take you (all) on a Real Life Tour. For $25,000 I could take the entire ACT @ the Worl’…
Lets see the receipts then eh… Mr Perk Buster?
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Ps; Phil – Predispositions are enhanced by THC – but only if your view of normal is strictly of the ‘worker bee’ variety.
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PPS You are gonna be a Martyr Rodney – get comfortable!
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Cow belches are worse than we thought?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/earth-environment/articl e6895907.ece
Question of how many cows (and other herbivores) there were vs how many exist now is still open, but more can’t be better at this point.
“Diet for a small planet” showed us that eating vegetarian is more efficient than eating meat. That was over 30 years ago. We don’t need as much meat as we consume and it is clearly possible to live on none at all.
Why is this so hard to understand?
BJ
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Not hard to understand, bj, hard to stomach ..for the likes of cantab.
“It just cannot be allowed to be!!!”
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The “Key” problem for us is to make the anger peak just before the election. Too early and we don’t get the mileage we might. However, it could be just the thing to break up the honeymoon and we can certainly count on these jackasses to fnck up again over something else.
Decisions, decisions
BJ
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Cool… I didn’t have to alter-spell it
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“..It is a rare human act that is utterly reprehensible.
Some glimmer of grace, some hope for redemption shines through nearly all of our efforts.
And then .. Jonathan Safran Foer reminds us in his new book, Eating Animals ..
.. there is factory farming of living creatures.
Perhaps you have seen the film Food, Inc.
Maybe you have read the works of Michael Pollan.
You may have heard of confined veal calves pumped full of antibiotics … and collapsing in their own excrement; ..
.. or seen the video of bushels of baby chicks, alive and cheeping .. dumped into a grinder.
Almost certainly, you have heard something about the terrible ways that we now treat farm animals in America ..
.. and you didn’t like what you heard.
But if you still eat meat from factories — and, Foer reports, 99 percent of meat eaten in the U.S. is raised and/or processed in factory operations —
– you have not, by definition, absorbed the reality of factory farms.
If you truly understood the nightmarish brutality of what happens inside these windowless animal jails and abattoirs that dot the American ruralscape ..
.. you simply would not eat this meat.
Foer makes it clear that factory farming is the exceptional human activity that debases and destroys everything it touches:..
.. land, people, communities .. and most of all ..
.. the innocents at the nexus ..
.. animals..”
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/the-moral-ferocity-of-eating-animals/
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i do like the description of hyde as ‘lapsed perk-buster’..
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Bro – our Government is a Coalition between the Robber Barons, the 1% Party, and the Apartheid Mob – am working on the beautiful oil painting of such a Union now – you can bid for it on E-Bay (next week)
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act stands for ‘association of conspicuous troughers’..
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But really, is there any hope for this country when 90% of Herald respondents to a poll claim that they are ’sick’ of how we must ’save the planet’. And, moreover, the Green party has dipped once again below the 5% support basis in a recent political party support poll. Need I go on? The idea that we are becoming more inclusive in our morality is highly questionable: John Gray’s theory of anti-humanism morality is looking more and more plausible, I’m afraid.
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The editorial of the latest issue of the ‘Listener’ is unquestionably supportive of the virtual exclusive teaching the 3 ‘R’s’ at the primary school level as the basis of a sound education. It seems that this once renowned critical establishment is totally in agreement with the traditional and conservative elements of society in claiming that proficiency in these ‘core subjects’ is a pre-requisit to a sound education. But, isn’t the ‘love of learning’ more basic (important)? Proficiency in the 3 R’s in isolation in no way guarantees a desire to further one’s education. An holistic approach to education by exposure to many disciplines coupled with ‘real life’ experiences is likely to provide a qualitively better and more satisfying grounding.
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The Listener is a little more in fashion nowadays, if a return to the security of “education standards” and “titles” is the fashion that recession demands, then that is where the editorial will be. Ignoring the evidence that this approach does not improve educational performance as it was not the lack of such standards which resulted in the original poor performance.
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the current editor of the listener is possibly the most rightwing..ever..
and is a constant apologist for ‘freemarket-reforms’..
(the mag..(editorially)..is kinda four or five steps behind the emerging zeitgeist..
and as such..is sorta irrelevant..
tho’ still readable..
for some of the components..)
greens’ would be advised to check out the on-line archives/cartoon from chris slane..
on the departure of sue bradford..
he ‘nails it’..
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Phil – Sue’s on ‘Q’.
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…and here’s me thinking ACT is a stand alone – self explanatory name – the little bugger reckons new ACC Taxes aren’t high enough – not if you’re shouting your dizzy little thing on World Trips Rod – no….
Might be time to draw you a list of things we can’t afford….you won’t like it – but then you’ll look like less of a Hypocrite to @ 4 million people
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PS Can I have some “Q”?
Just an interested old Hippie who has loved 90% of mysteries unfolding…
I’ll submit a written report upon landing…hee hee (gaga)
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dosen’t ‘q’ come after ‘p’..?
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Mark – there will be lizards, rest assured Gonzo.
Phil – ‘Q’s’ come from shortages (That’s harsh on Paul, but it’s funny ’cause it’s true).
Sue made a good fist of it, causing Arceneaux to roll her eyes, over the civil liberties/uprising/fascist call. English lied his arse off.
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“English lied his arse off.”
If he tells the truth will it stick back on?
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If he tells the truth..
Don’t
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Shunda.
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btw – I think you drubbed cantab into the back paddock!
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Yeah, he ran pretty fast for a gumboot wearer!
Seriously though I found his attitude quite disturbing for someone fairly high up in the Canterbury farming community. I liked redandblack better, seemed like someone that would be worth talking to a bit more.
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Shunda – now that Sue’s free of the shackles of Parliament, she’ll be travelling the country, settling a few scores.
Better lock your door mate!
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Saw Rodney Hide on the telly yesterday – must say, since he’s got himself a girlfriend, he’s really perked up!
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You great Wit Fly! The 1% ACT will wear pretty thin on the Electorate (sorry Bro) I’m picking a Green PM next!
Incidentally ‘The Listener’ is just the sort of smug bourgious patios we’ll (the Commie Party) Ban come the Revolution. I’m boycotting that Nag Mag til the Air Tickets Come through (any day now). C’Mon Dr Pita!
Gonzo! You hit the Mark there Fly – I was just reflecting on where my copy of “The Great Shark Hunt” might be….
James Ellroy’s “The Cold Six Thousand” and Brautigan’s “Dreaming of Babylon” may well be in the same box somewhere….remember to watch your ‘P’s and ‘Q’s then …eh?
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“Shunda – now that Sue’s free of the shackles of Parliament, she’ll be travelling the country, settling a few scores.
Better lock your door mate! ”
What are you implying greenfly? that Sue was hiding her REAL persona in parliament?
If Sue takes the time to knock on my door I will offer her a drink and a chance to convert me to the dark side.
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what was refreshing about her comments..
was that she did not beat about the bush..
as arsenau and most other commenters do..
and roll her eyes all she likes..
if arsenau is any sort of political scientist..
she knows that the scenarios painted by bradford..
are far from ‘eye-rolling’..
come to think of it..q&a should give arsenau the boot..and give bradford her gig..
arsenau is menat to be there in an ‘explaining’/translating role..
‘cutting thru the crap’..as it were..
she dosen’t do this..
and it is a role bradford could execute..
with both gravitas .. and aplomb..
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We can trout fish in America, Mark! (should we choose).
The Listener’s been a Drain for several years now and won’t cross my threshold.
Metiria Turei mo Pirimia!
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Shunda – pause, think .. Sue Bradford, hiding her true self???
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Face to face with Sue, Shunda, 2 minutes and you’d be melted butter.
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mmmm…… 20 seconds.
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You might be surprised greenfly, the question is who would be more civil?
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Yer Good Friends all Over America – we’ll do well there – “Dreaming of Babylon” is I reckin, Brautigan’s Best, and he is generally good. Hard book to find – I had to go to San Francisco to buy a copy…James Lee Burke can crank out the Stories pretty well too.
Arseneau can’t cut the Crap Phil? I don’t know what to think….poor fella.
Yes I thought of Met first up for PM – then you’ve got the sterling Kevin Hague – the Diplomatic Russel. Dr Kennedy Graham speaks almost like he’s praying….it comes off well – the Greens are somewhat embarrassed by the wealth of choices in Fact – particularly when you look at what’s on offer across the House – tawdry thefts by people who say WE’VE got to tighten our belts – always a losing hand….That Rodney really must have a Hi…Hi….Skin thick as a rhinocerous. Betchya he’d like to Hi…Hi…conceal his Partners Big Quango – $25,000 to go round the world? I hope you’re reading this Dr Pita.
We’re a comparitively small gang and won’t use up much of your Budget – just the Bare Necessities….all 200 of them(each)!
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She, Shunda.
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Mark – I’ve read Kipling – should we pencil in India?
I like Gauguin too, so…Tahiti? Am I asking too much?
(Hinano is a great brew and you’ve seen the logo?)
http://www.aloha2go.com/catalog/catalog-pic3/tshirt-hinano-orig.JPG
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O’Tahiti was the Islands early name – an expression of wonder as early explorers considered they had truly found Paradise – a few Hinano’s and you see gold glitter woman everywhere.
What a shame I don’t drink (not since guzzling came in anyway).
India, a must; – the Mughal’s Fort in Delhi, Varanasi, Poona, Goa – once we’re on the Pig’s Back, all will be possible!
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As soon as Rodney loosens his grip, we’re on!
Frog. Any idea why the comments of redandblack and my polite self, failed to make a showing on the ‘farming’ thread yesterday?
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The posts seem to be there but don’t appear all on the same page after a certain number. Have a look at the second page.
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‘the second page’?
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“..Climate change emissions from meat production are far higher than estimated ..
.. according to a controversial new study that will fuel the debate on whether people should eat fewer animal products to help the environment.
In a paper published by a respected United States think tank, the Worldwatch Institute ..
.. two World Bank environmental advisers claim that instead of 18 per cent of global emissions being caused by meat, the true figure is 51 per cent.
They claim United Nations figures have severely underestimated the greenhouse gases caused by tens of billions of cattle, sheep, pigs, poultry and other animals in three main areas: ..
.. methane, land use and respiration.
Their findings – which are likely to prompt fierce debate among academics -
- come amid increasing calls from climate change experts for people to eat less meat.
In the 19-page report, Robert Goodland, a former lead environmental adviser to the World Bank, and Jeff Anhang, a current adviser, suggest domesticated animals cause 32 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (CO2) ..
.. more than the combined impact of industry and energy.
The accepted figure is 18 per cent, taken from a landmark UN report in 2006, Livestock’s Long Shadow.
“If this argument is right,” write Goodland and Anhang ..
.. “it implies that replacing livestock products with better alternatives .. would be the best strategy for reversing climate change.
“In fact, this approach would have far more rapid effects on greenhouse gas emissions and their atmospheric concentrations ..
.. than actions to replace fossil fuels with renewable energy.”
Their call to move to meat substitutes accords with the views of the chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Dr Rajendra Pachauri ..
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/meat-eating-far-worse-than-thought-studyreplac ing-livestock-products-with-better-alternatives-would-be-the-best-stra tegy-for-reversing-climate-change/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
.. who has described eating less meat as “the most attractive opportunity” for making immediate changes to climate change..”
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I’m still on record as wanting meatless days (Start with one). It would give me a bit of leverage with the Mother-In-Law. The meal isn’t complete if it doesn’t have meat seems to be a Russian cultural bias.
Besides, if we go for it maybe we can get McCartney to visit.
I’d certainly accept that the impact is larger than previously thought, not sure that it is larger than the industrial contribution. I’ll wait for the peer reviewed version.
respectfully
BJ
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this is another take on that same work..b.j..
that may answer some of your questions..
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/livestock-account-for-51-greenhouse-gases-meat -and-dairy-must-be-replaced/
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You could say that… just not in a good way. The comments are already full of problems…
http://eatinganimals.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/climate-chicanery/
Like I said… I want to see a peer-reviewed version of this. I think that with the obvious problems removed, it will still show that “eating meat is worse than we thought”. The increase of activity of the methane alone guarantees that result.
The 51% claim made in the paper however, is almost certainly not supportable and when I read the report on the report my cr@p detector went off.
Sorry…
…and Meatless days would STILL be a good idea.
respectfully
BJ
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I am sure I personally could manage 8 of them a week. Just don’t cut off my coffee supply.
BJ
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“..Jonathan Safran Foer’s book Eating Animals changed me from a twenty-year vegetarian to a vegan activist.
I’ve always been shy about being critical of others’ choices .. because I hate when people do that to me.
I’m often interrogated about being vegetarian (e.g., “What if you find out that carrots feel pain, too? Then what’ll you eat?”).
I’ve also been afraid to feel as if I know better than someone else — a historically dangerous stance ..
.. (I’m often reminded that “Hitler was a vegetarian, too, you know”).
But this book reminded me that some things are just wrong.
Perhaps others disagree with me that animals have personalities ..
.. but the highly documented torture of animals is unacceptable ..
.. and the human cost Foer describes in his book .. of which I was previously unaware .. is universally compelling.
The human cost of factory farming — both the compromised welfare of slaughterhouse workers and, even more, the environmental effects of the mass production of animals — is staggering.
Foer details the copious amounts of pig shit sprayed into the air that result in great spikes in human respiratory ailments ..
.. the development of new bacterial strains due to overuse of antibiotics on farmed animals, and the origins of the swine flu epidemic, whose story has gripped the nation, in factory farms.
I read the chapter on animal shit aloud to two friends — one is from Iowa and has asthma and the other is a North Carolinian who couldn’t eat fish from her local river ..
.. because animal waste had been dumped in it as described in the book.
They had never truly thought about the connection between their environmental conditions and their food.
The story of the mass farming of animals had more impact on them .. when they realized it had ruined their own backyards.
But what Foer most bravely details is how eating animal pollutes not only our backyards .. but also our beliefs.
He reminds us that our food is symbolic of what we believe in ..
.. and that eating is how we demonstrate to ourselves and to others our beliefs: ..
.. Catholics take communion — in which food and drink represent body and blood.
Jews use salty water on Passover to remind them of the slaves’ bitter tears.
And on Thanksgiving, Americans use succotash and slaughter to tell our own creation myth —
– how the Pilgrims learned from Native Americans to harvest this land .. and make it their own.
And as we use food to impart our beliefs to our children, the point from which Foer lifts off ..
.. what stories do we want to tell our children through their food?
I remember in college, a professor asked our class to consider what our grandchildren would look back on as being backward behavior or thinking in our generation ..
.. the way we are shocked by the kind of misogyny, racism, and sexism we know was commonplace in our grandparents’ world.
He urged us to use this principle to examine the behaviors in our lives and our societies .. that we should be a part of changing.
Factory farming of animals will be one of the things we look back on as a relic of a less-evolved age..”
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/jonathan-safran-foers-eating-animals-turned-me -vegan/
(i know you are a man of logic..so i’ll just keep placing the evidence..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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The comment paging has been confusing many people. I’ve just turned it off.
The super long threads will naturally grind to a halt once the load times get too great
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mike king and safe are on campbell live tonight..
with another expose on the horrors of the pig concentration camps..
so..you ‘green’ pig-eaters would do well to watch it..eh..?
and then..think on..!
eh..?
oh..!..cd someone give sue kedgley a heads-up about it..?
and she might want to ‘think on’ on her current practice of touring the country..
giving speeches..acting as a tout/pimp for these cruel b*stards..
by urging people to eat more pigs..
eh..?
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I got bored between entering my exam and arriving home:
“Once upon a time, in a place far far away (South Auckland) there lived a mother tui and a father tui and three little children tui.
One day the father tui got beaten to the best bunch of berries by another tui because he was too slow. The father tui spent the rest of the day with his friends drinking the tasty nectar of the flax flower.
When the father tui finally got back to the nest the father tui was dismayed to find that the eldest of the children tui had not yet flown. The father tui clicked loudly at the eldest child tui to fly. When the child tui could not fly the father tui got mad and said to the child tui “click click whitsle, cackle groan” which translates roughly as “you will do what I f*cking tell you to do!”. As the father tui tried to push the child tui out of the nest the mother blocked his way, protecting the child tui.
The father got even more mad and said to the mother tui “whistle click groan”; “know your position b*tch”. The father tui then tried to make more child tui with the mother while she yelled “click, click, click”; “no, no, no”. The neighbour tui, hearing this, called the Kererū’ whom then arrived and took both the mother tui and the father tui to the nest with bars. The wise Kakapo then ordered the father tui to stay atleast a tree away from the mother tui at all times and the mother tui returned home.
Three days latter the father tui violated the order of the wise Kakapo and visited the nest of the mother tui, he sung a song of “groan, groan, groan”; “sorry, sorry, sorry”. The mother tui took the father tui back into the nest and the mother tui and the father tui told the children tui that there was no problem, that the Kererū’ and the wise Kakapo were bad and trying to break them up. Four days after his return he again drank too much from the flax flowers while hanging with his tui mates. The song of “whistle click groan” was again heard throughout the trees; the Kererū’ was again called, and the wise Kakapo again ordered the father tui to stay at least a tree away from the mother.
This repeated many many times and every time the Kererū’ and the wise Kakapo were there and every time they were blamed for the unhappiness of the mother, father, and children.
One day in the late spring, the father tui had consumed more of the flax nectar than usual and returned home. This time he actually threw the oldest child tui from the nest to the ground bellow where a stoat rapidly ate the child. The mother tui was even more loud than usual, screams of ‘click groan, click click groan’ could be heard through-out the valley; “you bast%rd, you fu*king bast%rd”. When the Kererū’ arrived the mother bird too had fallen prey to the stoat.
The two younger children tui, not yet mentioned, did, for the rest of their lives, tell of how bad and nasty the Kererū’ and the wise Kakapo were.”
Did I go a little too far?
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the b*stard from the pig board is the one that sue kedgeley has been giving speeches with..
where she urges listeners to eat more of the evil product he peddles..
hang yr head in shame..!
eh..?
w.t.f.are you thinking..?
are you so immersed in your own addictions..
that you see nothing wrong with this..?
and are happy to associate yourself..and the green party..
with these vile/cruel doings..?
i ask again..
w.t.f.are you thinking..?
and..are you still the party spokesperson for animal welfare..?
and..are you above answering simple questions/explaining yourself..?
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Rodney’s Grip Won’t loosen(just moves).
He’s no martyr and won’t touch a Penny of his own Salary.
Relieve Him of the White Man’s Burden I say!
WE Can use that Money Rod…
Yep – Freeda Pigs, Dophins, Earth.
A switch’ll need flicking but!
Sapient; Gifted Author (that’s my tick there!)
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“..20 reasons America has lost its soul .. and collapse is inevitable
Jack Bogle published “The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism” four years ago.
The battle’s over.
The sequel should be titled: “Capitalism Died a Lost Soul.”
Worse, we’ve lost “America’s Soul.”
And, worldwide, the consequences will be catastrophic.
That’s why a man like Hong Kong contrarian economist Marc Faber warns in his Doom, Boom & Gloom Report:..
.. “The future will be a total disaster, with a collapse of our capitalistic system as we know it today.”
No, not just another meltdown, another bear-market recession like the one recently triggered by Wall Street’s too-greedy-to-fail banks.
Faber is warning that the entire system of capitalism will collapse.
Get it?
The engine driving the great “American Economic Empire” for 233 years will collapse ..
.. a total disaster .. a destiny we created.
OK, deny it.
But I’ll bet you have a nagging feeling that maybe he’s right .. that the end may be near.
I have for a long time: ..
.. I wrote a column back in 1997: “Battling for the Soul of Wall Street.”
My interest in “The Soul” — what Jung called the “collective unconscious” — dates back to my Ph.D. dissertation, “Modern Man in Search of His Soul,” a title borrowed from Jung’s 1933 book, “Modern Man in Search of a Soul.”
This battle has been on my mind since my days at Morgan Stanley 30 years ago .. witnessing the decline.
Has capitalism lost its soul?
Guys like Bogle and Faber sense it.
Read more about the soul in physicist Gary Zukav’s “The Seat of the Soul,” Thomas Moore’s “Care of the Soul” and sacred texts.
But for Wall Street and American capitalism, use your gut.
You know something’s very wrong: ..
..A year ago, too-greedy-to-fail banks were insolvent, in a near-death experience.
Now, magically, they’re back to business as usual, arrogant, pocketing outrageous bonuses while Main Street sacrifices ..
.. and unemployment and foreclosures continue rising as tight credit, inflation and skyrocketing federal debt .. are killing taxpayers.
Yes, Wall Street has lost its moral compass.
It created the mess, but now, like vultures, Wall Streeters are capitalizing on the carcass.
They have lost all sense of fiduciary duty, ethical responsibility and public obligation.
Here are the Top 20 reasons American capitalism has lost its soul:..”
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/death-of-soul-of-capitalism/
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