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Published in THE GAME by frog on Fri, October 9th, 2009
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General Debate, October 9, 2009
Published: October 9, 2009
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Mr Sharples does a nice eyes-down-cast, ‘Sorry Bwana’ for rising above his station and bidding on broadcasting rights ( The mana! The mana! )
Our PM signs a ‘Congratulations on your 100th Wedding Anniversary’ and sends it to a woman on the occasion of her 100th birthday ( Oops! ) only, it wasn’t signed by him at all! ( double oops! )
The speeding motorcade, the stink emanating from his new friend Letterman.. not a super-duper time to be Nanny McKey.
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Travelling on the Orewa-Puhoi toll motorway? Here’s a suggestion – pay the toll by phone!
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this comments thread at kiwiblog is worth a read..
for a thorough airing of this issue..
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_plan_against_p.html
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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New feature: “Hide comments with a score of ‘whatever you like’ or less”.
We’re still analysing what the default should be (the current default of -10 is completely ineffective!), but you can change it to whatever suits you, in any case.
I’m finding -5 to be pretty good. Experiment with it on the ‘conservative think tanks spread lies’ post
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Rimu, Frog
Arrrrhgghhh! I have just spent a good 5-10% of my time on a post, deleting paragraphs that automatically got highlighted and included. I HATE this. If I want to answer a point I just want the point, not the whole bleeding paragraph, and if I click on an enclosed link I get the paragraph as well.
Whatever else it does, it does not suit my style of writing. I HATE it.
Absolutely distracting and quite difficult for me to cope with.
respectfully
BJ
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Whatever it is, it sounds frustrating…
You’re talking about the quote feature, right? Where clicking on a paragraph copies stuff into your reply?
If people don’t hit enter twice between paragraphs
like this
then it counts as a line break within the same paragraph. Clicking here will copy all 3 lines into your reply
You will be able to click on this paragraph and the stuff above will not come with it, because I hit enter twice to make some space.
If you click on the link and not on the text next to it then no quoting should occur. If it is, then you must be using an untested browser. Which are you using?
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Oh I see now. When trying to click+drag to get a sentence. Bummer
I’ll see what can be done about that.
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Greenfly,
it’s a bit low to try and tie Letterman’s recent publicity storm to Key. I’m no fan of either but I hardly think appearing on Letterman’s show is any grounds for connecting Key to that scandal. If it is then there are probably several thousand guests who have been rubbed with letterman’s stink. ewww
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Sorry Rimu… it just got to me with the long post I was doing… and clicking on the links in the post is worse. I wind up where I am supposed to be, but there’s another copy of the paragraph. The browser is the latest firefox on an ubuntu host.
If there’s something I can do to help just ask.
ciao
BJ
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nommopilot – it would be, if I was. There was a great deal of puff and blow surrounding Key’s appearance on ‘Letterman’ and no realistic comment about the subsequent developments, in terms of how that might affect his guests. I provided a little. I’ve no doubt that Key is free of any ‘Letterman’ sort of scandal, but he probably feels a little sullied from his near-contact. I’m betting he wouldn’t want to revisit and have another session.
Did you read about the ‘Anniversary’ card? That’s funny!
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I’m expecting another collapse in the financial sector. Volume is collapsing and the charts look weaker and weaker. Everyone and their brother wants to have a weak currency – printing like mad in China and Euro-zone as well as the US.
It has a bad look all around. Those of you who invest (probably not many of you, we aren’t really the party of the wealthy) should be very careful out there.
ciao
BJ
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I’m expecting another collapse in the financial sector, because it’s October.
Around this time last year I had some investments, but the latest crash cured me of that.
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selling the houses..eh..?
that’s a good idea..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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re financial collapse..
gold is taking off..
always a sure bellweather..
brace yrselves darlings..!
it’s gonna get kinda bumpy..
and we aren’t sure where we are landing..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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bjchip, got links to any of the charts you’re looking at? While I was learning my hard lessons about the realities of investing I became bit of a financial chart junkie…
http://www.investmenttools.com/images/wfut/crb/bdi_sp.gif
The S&P 500 was recovering along with the baltic dry index initially, but they’ve diverged in recent months… A reconnection with reality is probably on it’s way
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NASA is about the bomb the moon.
WTF. Who said they could do that?! I like the moon!
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I read this guy just about every day.
http://www.jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
I also read on the Motley Fool – Macro Economic Trends and risks (METAR) board and Kitco (Gold traders).
…and this guy.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/
…and I follow the links provided.
respectfully
BJ
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If they find water in the moon we can put people there much much sooner.
BJ
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The moon will have an extra crater rimu – it’ll be extra moony!
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Actually 2. The sensor pack will hit the surface only a short time after the impacter. Just long enough to get the plume image spectroscopy and burst it back to earth. I find the technique a little wasteful.
Shrug… we need to know.
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Yeah 2, i forgot about that bit. Does seem strange to get rid of it like that, beats floating around for eternity and pissing off some aliens in a collision I guess.
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Would throw up some pretty interesting moon-property questions i’d venture too BJ – would this water (or anything else they might find in the plume) be of interest commercially now or future?
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Me, I reckon even a gravity well as shallow as luna would be a silly thing to climb back down into, once we got a reasonable habitat far enough outside the wells. There is likely helium-3 in some reasonable amounts… otherwise no real advantage…
…except for finding the monolith of course
When I saw 2001 the audience was smoking so much weed the entire theater was in outer space right along with the action on the screen.
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BJ
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With banks about to start hiking floating-interest rates and the so-called “recovery” fueled by debt, things are not looking that great.
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…except for finding the monolith of course
When I saw 2001 the audience was smoking so much weed the entire theater was in outer space right along with the action on the screen.
HAHA!
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Hopefully it turns out that there is stuff all water on the moon so we can get on with solving real problems that actually have an impact on real people on our real home.
How many people starve every minute? I can’t remember.
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Mz Bradford on National Radio, an extensive interview. I can only see the Green party getting more popular with her out of the front line. The overwhelming impression she continues to give is that the environment is a sideline. I beg to differ.
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samiam: I know her personally, and would beg to differ. The public perception is because of her portfolio allocations, which were all in social policy areas (although Housing is also a major environmental area too).
From what I know of Sue, she is as passionate as any Green about environmental issues. I would also suggest that Green MPs (or potential ones) who have a profile on environemntal issues also have a passion for social justice issues.
Take a look at Gareth Hughes’ comment on this g.blog thread.
The public profile of the individual on issues does not represent their personal commitment to other issues. Sue Bradford is committed to environmental policies as much as any other Green MP. Just as Gareth Hughes is committed to social policy as wel las environmental policy.
But some MPs will always to speak on policies in areas that are not overtly perceived as environmental – otherwise the Greens would be a pressure group, rather than a political party.
Although, everything else is a subset of the environment in any case. Stuff the environemnt, and there is no point worrying about economic or social policy, because we are then in a world of austerity for all.
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“New Zealand needs more affordable state housing not less, so it is deeply concerning that $380 million worth of state housing is on the blocks to be sold with no evidence that it will be replaced, said Green Party Co-Leader Russel Norman today.
“Housing in our country has become unaffordable for many New Zealanders because of the ridiculous housing price bubble overseen by the last Government. The last thing we need is for the current Government to make it worse by flogging off state houses,” said Dr Norman. ”
“Our policy is the opposite of Winston Peters’,” the Party’s Immigration Spokesperson Keith Locke says.”
http://www.greens.org.nz/immigration
you know why Banks is crowing re Auckland’s future population growth. What effect will that have on house prices?
“What we really need is a large expansion in state housing that will create jobs in the depressed building sector and provide more affordable housing to those who desperately need it,” said Ms Bradford.
I think that a policy based on need will ultimately fail by any measure of social justice as it will reward bad behaviour
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If we can put decent amounts of material into orbit, we can construct satellite power station, which will assist our looming energy crisis. We can put up big mirrors and light our cities at night and save on streetlighting. We can also use mirrors to control the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth. Certain material construction or purification is only possible in vaccuum or in zero gravity or both.
There are lots of possibilities. There will also be a huge need to take action on Earth, since the benefits from space construction will only help with some of our problems, but any help is welcome.
Trevor.
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Her passion came through loud and clear, and it ain’t green, it’s red.
That’s why she is a liability to a green party.
Further she was lamenting the Greenz loosing their ‘radical’ image.
Again, I beg to differ. The Greenz need to be portraying the others as ‘The Radicals’ and the Greenz as conservative. After all it’s the truth isn’t it?
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“Green MP Keith Locke, who will host Ms Kadeer in New Zealand, said he didn’t believe the cancellation had anything to do with security, but was because of the university’s fear of offending the Chinese Government.”
“Ethnically Turkic Muslims, mainly live in Xinjiang
Made bid for independent state in 1940s
Sporadic violence in Xinjiang since 1991
Uighurs worried about ethnic Han Chinese immigration and erosion of traditional culture”
“Locke says our migration numbers are not that large and immigrants can in no way be blamed for any of the troubles New Zealand is currently facing.”
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So if you order drones to kill women and
children you get the noble peace prize.
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Domestic violence in Afghanistan is ‘endemic,’ perpetrators go unpunished – UN study
But diversity is good!
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19512&Cr=afghan&Cr1
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The interview with Sue Bradford just demonstrates that no one really knows what the Green Party stands for, other than as a sort of policy mix as demonstrated by activities over the recent past. The Greens are a peanut shell with an ecology nut and a social justice nut. The problem is that the social justice nut frames an issue in a way that hides the fact that there is no problem with the ecology nut (no meteor impact or volcanic eruption) other than humans. Those on the left of the Green Party seem to suggest there is a soft landing for humanity based on redistribution. I’m a bit of a pessimist and when I think of a sustainable green future I’m inclinced to imagine the Pilgrim Fathers battling it out in Plymouth, or Amish societies (although I can imagine Amish running out of farmland for their progeny).
Sue Bradford also talks about going after this vote and that vote but for who and for what end? Until the hard questions are confronted and “social justice” measures are devised which are sustainable (the proportion of resources needed to reach a just solution doesn’t grow), no group has come up with a vision for the future, and it is no loss if the Greens sink to 1%.
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So if you order drones to kill women and children you get the noble peace prize.
Despite the importance of the cause they gave it to him for, what huge myopia they must have to be able to reason that he deserves it.
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I think he has got the ‘thank God you are not Bush’ prize.
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bfm are doing a ’95 best songs ever played on bfm’..
starting at 11.00am..’till 6 pm..
enjoy..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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have a link..!
(heh..!..)
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/live-stream-95bfm/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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“So if you order drones [to/that accidentally] kill women and children you get the noble peace prize.”
What is the non-violent way? Would the Greens support a UN invasion of Burma to honour the election result (80/20) in favour of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi?
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No, and neither would we invite the junta to NZ for English lessons.
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Greenfly (and others), here is a video of the banded kokopu my son and I found in the little stream.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR3vGmHlCNc
Quite cool how it can wriggle up such shallow water, I really like these fish.
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I wonder how long it would take before they evolved to wriggle up WITHOUT the water?
Assuming of course that the existing wildlife let them alone.
http://tinyurl.com/yj7px5n
BJ
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I think the Nobel Peace Prize lost all credibility when they awarded it to Kissinger.
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And now for something completely different!
Sad, in many ways, that the Israeli blockade of Gaza has led to this.
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OOh Leave off with those stripes…zebras have a good name to protect toadie….sorrry Large Horny – ah…it’s getting worse….where’s Fly – the rat mole suit is fubar buddy – strapped together, but not legal in a high wind…
Toad…you commie…it’s saturday night, leave the bullsys aside –
I’m having a Traditional Labour Day –
Pregnant with good food and a glass of wine…
There’s worse misdeeds going on than painting stripes on a donkey you know – War Toad – sheer vicious unforgiveable pain.
Think we should declare Afghanistan a sister nation and turn our soldiers into tourists?
Ah well, it wiz just a thought.
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People may like this:
http://www.ted.com/talks/james_balog_time_lapse_proof_of_extreme_ice_loss.html
The time lapse movies of glaciers are really nice.
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Hey Mark – fret not, I’m taping together a Plastic Key suit! With that pulled on, I’ll be able to get away with anything and everything! . People will think me clever and jolly, even as I rob them blind. The idea came to me today, as I walked along one of Queenstown’s glitzy streets, dodging Barbies and Kens. A Plastic Key suit!
With a ‘pack up your troubles’ grin and dead eyes!
Will post picture.
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Shunda – nice fish. You’ll see’em even better if you go out at night (with a torch). They can wriggle across wet grass, as eels do, to get to bigger/better water. Some of those guys get big enough to eat mice. They don’t do so well in tanks as they are prone to fungal attack, especially if you have handled them. In really clean water, their patterns and skin colour become clear as a bell. Have you made the galaxid/galaxy connection (stars etc.)?
I know of fish guys posted Kokopu around the country, wrapped in sphagnum moss and plastic. They survived, surprisingly. I suspect you oughtn’t/shouldn’t.
Saw a pair of Crested Grebes today. There are some up your way, as I recall.
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“The time lapse movies of glaciers are really nice.”
they are, actually. I thought they’d be depressing, but I followed Samuiela’s advice and watched them, and they are really cool.
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leave room for appendages on the Key suit.
All quiet in Dipton M8ey?????
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Velcro patches for Mickey Mouse ears and Beelzebub forked-tail already sewn-in!
Swung by the Big Dipper on the way through, not a soul!
Sheeeeeeeeeep everywhere!
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Funny you should say – but Sheople is a Term in meditation(mediation) – if commie gets thru…..us brutha’s into th promised land now
Enjoy the show
….me i’d like to say no….
they’re human…..but….th effing evidence Fly….it’s not convincing
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“Energy crisis is postponed as new gas rescues the world
The breakthrough has been to combine 3-D seismic imaging with new technologies to free “tight gas” by smashing rocks, known as hydro-fracturing or “fracking” in the trade. ”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/6299291/Energy-crisis-is-postponed-as-new-gas-rescues-the-world.html
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So who COULD replace NZ Bus if ARC terminates their contract for non-provision of services? As in, by wednesday.
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StephenR
Instead of the $94 million of subsidies going to the bus companies, it should be spent on buying ALL the bus drivers a minibus and fuel for a year.
Then let them loose to create bus routes that suits their clientel.
Free up the monopoly, let the workers own the means of production, and let the market (bus travellers) decide which route is profitable for the “workers”.
Simple really. For a one of cost of a years subsidy, we have a free market and no regulation (save for COF on vehicles and compliance with the road code). And the workers own the means of production.
A Win cubed situation. Even the most staunch marxist Green would be totally in favour of that arrangement.
No corporate creed, happy workers and a free market to boot.
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“and let the market (bus travellers) decide which route is profitable for the “workers”.”
It might turn out that 10 minibuses are waiting to drive the most profitable route, and no-one arrives to take me to school!
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What’s going on, has Mark’s account been compromised by philu??
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fin,
No, you would pay the going rate for taking you to school. If you were the only one it would be the full price, if there were 10 it would be 10%.
Market rates, with all costs externalised. Just what the Greens like.
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dicki – richard, if you will…wasn’t aware of being uncompromising – thanks for that…Phil is most uncompromising – has integrity – weigh him too lite at your fantasy/peril
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Fly – oh jolly good – the old suit has wear and tear – to be expected really…know where to get tickets to the Wellington 7′s?
You’ll never ever see so many men dressed up as girls – (sydney mardigras – far second place{drunken pommies})
But for holiday atmosphere, it’s unrivalled in NZ – plus i might get to update the latex rat mole suit – antennae, night vision – all the groovy alpha crap.
Are we still funding that? – they should be given the job of punching mountains into the bay to create more land – it has always been the only problem hey?
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