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	<title>Comments on: Minister Smith please stand up</title>
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		<title>By: Sam Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92858</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Round is simply thrashing around looking for a justification for his Eurocentric prejudice. For example:

&quot;Diversity is no foundation for a nation. A little diversity is an interesting and diverting thing; we all enjoy an ethnic restaurant. Variety is the spice of life. But a spice is not a staple; it is not the bread and butter of daily life. One cannot live on nutmeg alone.&quot;

The meaning of his metaphor being - Western/European culture is the staple, everyone else&#039;s culture is just a spice. &quot;Our&quot; food is normal - &quot;your&quot; food is &quot;ethnic&quot;.

He relishes in creating &quot;isms&quot; - &quot;Treatyism&quot; and &quot;Tribalism&quot; - and claiming these are philosophies his opponents uphold, but the examples he points to are not the result of ideological preferences, but compromises and  practical steps taken by Maori as a reaction to the refusal of the dominant culture to give up power. 

Round is attacking people for grudgingly taking what little is on offer and claiming that what they are being given is what they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Round is simply thrashing around looking for a justification for his Eurocentric prejudice. For example:</p>
<p>&#8220;Diversity is no foundation for a nation. A little diversity is an interesting and diverting thing; we all enjoy an ethnic restaurant. Variety is the spice of life. But a spice is not a staple; it is not the bread and butter of daily life. One cannot live on nutmeg alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>The meaning of his metaphor being &#8211; Western/European culture is the staple, everyone else&#8217;s culture is just a spice. &#8220;Our&#8221; food is normal &#8211; &#8220;your&#8221; food is &#8220;ethnic&#8221;.</p>
<p>He relishes in creating &#8220;isms&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;Treatyism&#8221; and &#8220;Tribalism&#8221; &#8211; and claiming these are philosophies his opponents uphold, but the examples he points to are not the result of ideological preferences, but compromises and  practical steps taken by Maori as a reaction to the refusal of the dominant culture to give up power. </p>
<p>Round is attacking people for grudgingly taking what little is on offer and claiming that what they are being given is what they want.
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92789</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can generate your own post modernism here
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

or find other examples here

http://blog.greens.org.nz/?s=delahunty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can generate your own post modernism here<br />
<a href="http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/</a></p>
<p>or find other examples here</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.greens.org.nz/?s=delahunty" rel="nofollow">http://blog.greens.org.nz/?s=delahunty</a>
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		<title>By: Joe Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92768</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;Modern Art&quot; has a wider meaning than &quot;Modernism&quot; in art. These are different from Modernist philosophy, but I think post-modernism traces its origins to a rejection or critique of modernism that was strongly associated with art and design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;Modern Art&#8221; has a wider meaning than &#8220;Modernism&#8221; in art. These are different from Modernist philosophy, but I think post-modernism traces its origins to a rejection or critique of modernism that was strongly associated with art and design.
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92766</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;modern art&quot;  and &quot;modernism&quot; in philosophy are comparable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;modern art&#8221;  and &#8220;modernism&#8221; in philosophy are comparable?
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		<title>By: Joe Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92763</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, modernism is definitely dated. In art they heyday of modernism was pre-WWII. Round might not like it but there isn&#039;t anything stupid about the name post-modernism. The Modernists should have known they&#039;d be superceded by something so blame them for either (1) failing; or (2) choosing a name that would invariably date. Post-modernism is no more stupid from a historical perspective than names like neolithic, pont-neuf, or &quot;Modern&quot; typefaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, modernism is definitely dated. In art they heyday of modernism was pre-WWII. Round might not like it but there isn&#8217;t anything stupid about the name post-modernism. The Modernists should have known they&#8217;d be superceded by something so blame them for either (1) failing; or (2) choosing a name that would invariably date. Post-modernism is no more stupid from a historical perspective than names like neolithic, pont-neuf, or &#8220;Modern&#8221; typefaces.
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92758</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you mean &quot;modernism&quot; is dated as in:

This disastrous policy is of course perfectly aligned with the ‘post-modern’ philosophy which is now fashionable in the universities. Post-modernism ~ a stupid name if ever there was one ~ claims to have made a complete break with the rational philosophies the West has followed since the Enlightenment of the eighteenth century (if not earlier), with their beliefs in objective truth and universal standards. That approach enabled us to look down on other cultures and beliefs as inferior to ours, and that was just so judgmental and unkind. Post-modernism believes that there is no objective truth ~ rather, there are truths. This is true for me ~ but something else is true for you. One is no better than the other. We are therefore unable to say that our culture is better than another’s.&quot;?

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24137</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you mean &#8220;modernism&#8221; is dated as in:</p>
<p>This disastrous policy is of course perfectly aligned with the ‘post-modern’ philosophy which is now fashionable in the universities. Post-modernism ~ a stupid name if ever there was one ~ claims to have made a complete break with the rational philosophies the West has followed since the Enlightenment of the eighteenth century (if not earlier), with their beliefs in objective truth and universal standards. That approach enabled us to look down on other cultures and beliefs as inferior to ours, and that was just so judgmental and unkind. Post-modernism believes that there is no objective truth ~ rather, there are truths. This is true for me ~ but something else is true for you. One is no better than the other. We are therefore unable to say that our culture is better than another’s.&#8221;?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24137" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24137</a>
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		<title>By: Joe Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92747</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Round&#039;s comments seem dated, even for a conservative. He sounds like a contemporary of Margaret Thatcher. Nations have always been divided by class and ethnicity. Any reasonably objective historical analysis confirms this. Apparently Round really believes the romantic myths constructed by the nationalists of yesteryear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Round&#8217;s comments seem dated, even for a conservative. He sounds like a contemporary of Margaret Thatcher. Nations have always been divided by class and ethnicity. Any reasonably objective historical analysis confirms this. Apparently Round really believes the romantic myths constructed by the nationalists of yesteryear.
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92734</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Knustler says we have evolved into a fossil fuel dependant society and changing is like turning a ship around. Labour and national are soft on C02 (etc) because just about anything they do will cause squeals as people loose jobs.  The Greens can jump up and down about their lack of action while slating Paula bennet for revealing that someone on the DPB can haul in about 50,000 per year and Keith locke gloats that the Green immigration policy is &quot;the opposite of Winston Peters&quot;.
International Socialism is the blight of the environmental movement.
I imagine the blue-greens are at odds with the GW deniers in National just as genuine Greens  are frustrated with the opportunistic &quot;red-greens&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Knustler says we have evolved into a fossil fuel dependant society and changing is like turning a ship around. Labour and national are soft on C02 (etc) because just about anything they do will cause squeals as people loose jobs.  The Greens can jump up and down about their lack of action while slating Paula bennet for revealing that someone on the DPB can haul in about 50,000 per year and Keith locke gloats that the Green immigration policy is &#8220;the opposite of Winston Peters&#8221;.<br />
International Socialism is the blight of the environmental movement.<br />
I imagine the blue-greens are at odds with the GW deniers in National just as genuine Greens  are frustrated with the opportunistic &#8220;red-greens&#8221;.
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		<title>By: treesoftomorrow</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92729</link>
		<dc:creator>treesoftomorrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its worth reading more in Australia and mining:

http://www.themonthly.com.au/climate-series-quarry-vision-guy-pearse-coal-and-climate-change-peter-mares-1527

Guy Pearse has done some good work on the subject and come up with the term &#039;Quarry Vision&#039;.

conversation with ABC Radio National&#039;s Peter Mares, Guy Pearse discusses the ideas that form the basis for his recent Quarterly Essay, Quarry Vision - Coal, Climate Change and the End of the Resources Boom. &#039;Quarry vision&#039; is the belief that Australia&#039;s greatest asset is its mineral and energy resources, coal above all. How has this distorted our national politics and stymied action on climate change?

Quarry vision, he argues, is a trap and a blind faith we can no longer afford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its worth reading more in Australia and mining:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.themonthly.com.au/climate-series-quarry-vision-guy-pearse-coal-and-climate-change-peter-mares-1527" rel="nofollow">http://www.themonthly.com.au/climate-series-quarry-vision-guy-pearse-c oal-and-climate-change-peter-mares-1527</a></p>
<p>Guy Pearse has done some good work on the subject and come up with the term &#8216;Quarry Vision&#8217;.</p>
<p>conversation with ABC Radio National&#8217;s Peter Mares, Guy Pearse discusses the ideas that form the basis for his recent Quarterly Essay, Quarry Vision &#8211; Coal, Climate Change and the End of the Resources Boom. &#8216;Quarry vision&#8217; is the belief that Australia&#8217;s greatest asset is its mineral and energy resources, coal above all. How has this distorted our national politics and stymied action on climate change?</p>
<p>Quarry vision, he argues, is a trap and a blind faith we can no longer afford.
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		<title>By: bigblukiwi</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92728</link>
		<dc:creator>bigblukiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More research data on the relative competitiveness of various economies dependent on their &#039;freedom&#039; of action of the various players. Interesting!

http://www.alternet.org/story/142958/why_%22economic_freedom%22_is_just_another_way_of_saying_%22headed_for_a_cliff%22</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More research data on the relative competitiveness of various economies dependent on their &#8216;freedom&#8217; of action of the various players. Interesting!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/142958/why_%22economic_freedom%22_is_just_another_way_of_saying_%22headed_for_a_cliff%22" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/story/142958/why_%22economic_freedom%22_is_jus t_another_way_of_saying_%22headed_for_a_cliff%22</a>
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		<title>By: mcol</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92722</link>
		<dc:creator>mcol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 06:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Round presents a highly biased and contentious definition as to what constitutes a nation. How ironic that Round seeks to rally against the &#039;divisive&#039; future of NZ&#039;s democracy by appealing to one of the most divisive of ideologies: nationalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Round presents a highly biased and contentious definition as to what constitutes a nation. How ironic that Round seeks to rally against the &#8216;divisive&#8217; future of NZ&#8217;s democracy by appealing to one of the most divisive of ideologies: nationalism.
<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-92722" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('92722', 'add', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" /> <small id="karma-92722-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">2</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-92722" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('92722', 'subtract', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" /> <small id="karma-92722-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">3</small> (<small id="karma-92722-total" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">-1</small>)</p>
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		<title>By: Kelpie</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92719</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 06:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU&amp;feature=channel
If anyone can make Noddy Nick sit through this, we may all begin to get some action.
It is so worth the time it takes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU&amp;feature=channel" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU&amp;feature=channel</a><br />
If anyone can make Noddy Nick sit through this, we may all begin to get some action.<br />
It is so worth the time it takes.
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92717</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=http://www.greens.org.nz/conservation/mining?# rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Download our petition or send an ecard to oppose the mining.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href=http://www.greens.org.nz/conservation/mining?# rel="nofollow"> Download our petition or send an ecard to oppose the mining.</a>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92710</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s just be green and &lt;i&gt;kiss&lt;/i&gt; (red-green and blue-green). Stop this inter-green violence!
:mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just be green and <i>kiss</i> (red-green and blue-green). Stop this inter-green violence!<br />
 <img src='http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92709</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see how blue-greens wouldn&#039;t hit it off with red-greens as demonstrated in this post by Law lecturer David Round

&quot;It is time to do some profound thinking about the future shape of our democracy. There are high-minded dimwits about who have a wonderful vision of a future Aotearoa/New Zealand as a collection of tribes ~ ‘Ngati Maori, Ngati Pakeha, Ngati Pasifika, Ngati Asia’, doubtless even Ngati Muslim. I firmly believe that the establishment of such tribalism here would be an unutterably disastrous undoing of New Zealand. A nation is a group of people who believe that more unites them than divides them; that, despite the inevitable differences between them, they are nevertheless at base one people. The preoccupation of all nation-builders is to establish that common identity. Tribalism does the opposite. It divides the world into members of ones own tribe, and strangers outside. Tribalism is the enemy of nationhood.&quot;
http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24137</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see how blue-greens wouldn&#8217;t hit it off with red-greens as demonstrated in this post by Law lecturer David Round</p>
<p>&#8220;It is time to do some profound thinking about the future shape of our democracy. There are high-minded dimwits about who have a wonderful vision of a future Aotearoa/New Zealand as a collection of tribes ~ ‘Ngati Maori, Ngati Pakeha, Ngati Pasifika, Ngati Asia’, doubtless even Ngati Muslim. I firmly believe that the establishment of such tribalism here would be an unutterably disastrous undoing of New Zealand. A nation is a group of people who believe that more unites them than divides them; that, despite the inevitable differences between them, they are nevertheless at base one people. The preoccupation of all nation-builders is to establish that common identity. Tribalism does the opposite. It divides the world into members of ones own tribe, and strangers outside. Tribalism is the enemy of nationhood.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24137" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24137</a>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92704</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;National is in coalition with Act, but that has a lot to do with Sue Bradford types wanting nothing to do with National.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m strongly a &quot;Sue Bradford&quot; type member of the Greens, but I could support a National government that offered a much more aggressive stance on climate change just because the problem is so urgent. We Greens are a complicated lot, and your amateur analysis tells us more about your political opinions than it does about the party as a whole. Especially given that you don&#039;t seem to get that this post is not even a comparison of Nick Smith vs the Greens, it&#039;s a comparison of Nick Smith (before election) vs Nick Smith (after election).

He needs to be consistent with his own marketing before we&#039;d even need to blow our own horns to say he&#039;s not doing enough, which is a sign of how short he&#039;s fallen of any meaningful environmental or (&#039;small g&#039;) green policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>National is in coalition with Act, but that has a lot to do with Sue Bradford types wanting nothing to do with National.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m strongly a &#8220;Sue Bradford&#8221; type member of the Greens, but I could support a National government that offered a much more aggressive stance on climate change just because the problem is so urgent. We Greens are a complicated lot, and your amateur analysis tells us more about your political opinions than it does about the party as a whole. Especially given that you don&#8217;t seem to get that this post is not even a comparison of Nick Smith vs the Greens, it&#8217;s a comparison of Nick Smith (before election) vs Nick Smith (after election).</p>
<p>He needs to be consistent with his own marketing before we&#8217;d even need to blow our own horns to say he&#8217;s not doing enough, which is a sign of how short he&#8217;s fallen of any meaningful environmental or (&#8217;small g&#8217;) green policy.
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		<title>By: jh</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92698</link>
		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;looking at all the environmental legislation that the National party has repealed since they got into power, I suspect the lack of co-operation between National and the Greens has as much to do with National wanting nothing to do with Jeanette Fitzsimons types.&quot;

but the greens didn&#039;t get a lot of votes (support) last election as the public don&#039;t understand the marriage between the environment and &quot;social justice&quot;. Instead they see a rabbit married to a magpie so you don&#039;t have to be taken too seriously. I for one don&#039;t believe many of you are any more pro environment than the next person, so that your &quot;social justice&quot; goals are pursued even though they are unpopular and make the public scoff. The problem is that your position on &quot;social justice&quot; is at odds with most people in the community as we are perceived to be at a different end of the pendulums swing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;looking at all the environmental legislation that the National party has repealed since they got into power, I suspect the lack of co-operation between National and the Greens has as much to do with National wanting nothing to do with Jeanette Fitzsimons types.&#8221;</p>
<p>but the greens didn&#8217;t get a lot of votes (support) last election as the public don&#8217;t understand the marriage between the environment and &#8220;social justice&#8221;. Instead they see a rabbit married to a magpie so you don&#8217;t have to be taken too seriously. I for one don&#8217;t believe many of you are any more pro environment than the next person, so that your &#8220;social justice&#8221; goals are pursued even though they are unpopular and make the public scoff. The problem is that your position on &#8220;social justice&#8221; is at odds with most people in the community as we are perceived to be at a different end of the pendulums swing.
<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-92698" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('92698', 'add', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" /> <small id="karma-92698-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">1</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-92698" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('92698', 'subtract', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" /> <small id="karma-92698-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</small> (<small id="karma-92698-total" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">-1</small>)</p>
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		<title>By: kahikatea</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92692</link>
		<dc:creator>kahikatea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jh wrote:

&quot;National is in coalition with Act, but that has a lot to do with Sue Bradford types wanting nothing to do with National.&quot;

looking at all the environmental legislation that the National party has repealed since they got into power, I suspect the lack of co-operation between National and the Greens has as much to do with National wanting nothing to do with Jeanette Fitzsimons types.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jh wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;National is in coalition with Act, but that has a lot to do with Sue Bradford types wanting nothing to do with National.&#8221;</p>
<p>looking at all the environmental legislation that the National party has repealed since they got into power, I suspect the lack of co-operation between National and the Greens has as much to do with National wanting nothing to do with Jeanette Fitzsimons types.
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		<title>By: greenfly</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92690</link>
		<dc:creator>greenfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick - you&#039;re a vandal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; you&#8217;re a vandal.
<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-92690" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('92690', 'add', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" /> <small id="karma-92690-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">3</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-92690" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('92690', 'subtract', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" /> <small id="karma-92690-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">3</small> (<small id="karma-92690-total" >0</small>)</p>
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		<title>By: frog</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/10/04/minister-smith-please-stand-up/#comment-92687</link>
		<dc:creator>frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said fin. Metiria has just press released that the Nats want to mine in Fiordland National Park. Another Bluegreen gem! What&#039;s up Nick? http://www.greens.org.nz/node/21951</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="">Well said fin. Metiria has just press released that the Nats want to mine in Fiordland National Park. Another Bluegreen gem! What&#8217;s up Nick? <a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/node/21951" rel="nofollow">http://www.greens.org.nz/node/21951</a></div>
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