Cadbury caves in on palm oil

I just bumped into this over at Scoop:

Palm oil is a contentious ingredient with reports blaming its plantations for huge contributions to global warming and intensive habitat destruction leading to the deaths of orang-utans in Indonesia and Malaysia.

Cadbury New Zealand managing director Matthew Oldham said he was “really sorry” and that the decision was in direct response to consumer feedback, including hundreds of letters and emails.

It’s a small but significant victory in getting rid of high cost environmental subsidies to big business. Congratulations to Cadbury for realising that the climate is the bottom line, not just for business, but for everyone. You can’t burn the assets of the parent company and expect the subsidiary to survive.

40 thoughts on “Cadbury caves in on palm oil

  1. Oh great, I can buy Cadbury chocolate again! Although I must say, I really do like Whittaker’s.

    Good on them for changing their minds, and good on the public for gathering together and putting pressure on Cadbury to do this.

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  2. Jarbury – congrats on your win at the Standard! Good call on Muldoon’s head (and Key’s opulence).

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  3. Hi Jarbury: Probably still stick to the Whittakers until Cadbury gets rid of it’s genetically modified soy lecithin.

    Also nice to support an NZ company rather than a multi-national.

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  4. I have to agree with Scott, although my bias falls primarily from a taste preference. Still, I thought it worth an honourable mention that Cadbury fronted to their critics.

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  5. “Hi Jarbury: Probably still stick to the Whittakers”

    Here here.
    Its Whittakers all the way baby!!
    Cadbury sold out, like Fisher and paykel and the Allblacks.

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  6. To be honest I will probably stick with Whittakers. However, in a lot of smaller dairies they don’t have a good selection of small Whittaker’s bars – so it’s good to know that from time to time I can have a good Crunchie Bar.

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  7. “Congratulations to Cadbury for realising that the climate is the bottom line, not just for business, but for everyone. ”

    Oh grow up, Frog!

    “the decision was in direct response to consumer feedback, including hundreds of letters and emails.”

    Or in other words – this has nothing to do with the company becoming more enlightened, and everthing to do with the fear of losing money. Being positive is one thing, but stretching the bounds of credibility in order to give another multinational company a pat on the back is plain silliness.

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  8. Apparently Whittakers’ sales really spiked when people became aware of Cadbury and their Palm Oil sillyness – so I imagine Cadbury’s sales suffered quite a lot.

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  9. Sam’s got it right. Cadbury’s epiphany comes not from their ‘heart’, but their ‘wallets’.
    It was individual customers who made the decision because of ethical concerns. More power to them and us! It does point to a lever for change though, doesn’t it. Now, how to use that lever more often and to greater ends…

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  10. “Sam’s got it right. Cadbury’s epiphany comes not from their ‘heart’, but their ‘wallets’.
    It was individual customers who made the decision because of ethical concerns. More power to them and us! It does point to a lever for change though, doesn’t it. Now, how to use that lever more often and to greater ends…”

    Golly…..the Free market worked……..:-o

    Take note enviro fascists…..people free to choose forced a change…..and no State gun required.

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  11. “Do you think enough pressure put on ExxonMobil would persuade them to stop funding anti-AGW PR campaigns?”

    Maybe enough pressure on certain MP’s may stop them from implementing ETS bullshit that will devestated our economy and kill off the poorest earlier…

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  12. James, NOT implementing ‘ETS bullshit’ (or by pricing pollution in somehow) will devastate our economy and kill off the poorest earlier. Climate change is cheaper to mitigate than to adjust to.

    Ahh the irony of farmers denying climate change when they will be among the first to suffer…

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  13. James – people were free to choose indeed, based on information made available to them by…
    environmentalists, I’m willing to bet. People who stepped outside of the usual ‘free for all at all cost’ envelope and made a stand and a noise about something important to them. Then left it to the ‘people’ to make their choice. Nice combo.

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  14. rimu – will the farmers suffer, or will we forever support our ‘backbone’ with relief packages from our taxes?

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  15. Golly…..the Free market worked……

    In the Cadbury case, the real information was understood by the majority of customers – there was no industry-funded denial and obfuscation, it was far more a “free” market than the pollution market.

    Just like cigarattes, once the real information was wrenched from the tobacco industry denialists, consumption declined – then, with a little help from the government, consumption plummeted.

    The mealy-mouthed misinformed misanthropic climate change denialists are the greatest impediment to freedom in the market when it comes to sheeting home the real cost and implications of pollution. They can be no “free”market until everyone knows the real information.

    Your own behaviour is working against your ideals.

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  16. “The mealy-mouthed misinformed misanthropic climate change denialists are the greatest impediment to freedom in the market when it comes to sheeting home the real cost and implications of pollution. They can be no “free”market until everyone knows the real information.”

    Which I see is so embarassing to the warmists cause they are not releasing it.It seems the planet is stubbonly failing to live up to its side of the green hysteria by not warming….and to that the fact that the ice isn’t mealing and record cold temps are happening all over the globe and its no wonder the AGW hysterics are getting feral…

    In a free market you don’t need “all the information’…..just the free market price of an item. Pollution is billed in a free market….those who create it must deal with it….other peoples private property rights see to that.But this bullshit money grab by twisted frauds like Gore and Soros coupled with Enviro-religious dogma will solve nothing and indeed make things much worse.

    In the Cadbury case it was the taste people objected to….not so much the soure of the palm oil.

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  17. “James – people were free to choose indeed, based on information made available to them by…
    environmentalists, I’m willing to bet. People who stepped outside of the usual ‘free for all at all cost’ envelope and made a stand and a noise about something important to them. Then left it to the ‘people’ to make their choice. Nice combo.”

    Isn’t “free for all at all cost’ the same dogma you socialists spout in defence of the bloated and cancerous Welfare State?

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  18. James, NOT implementing ‘ETS bullshit’ (or by pricing pollution in somehow) will devastate our economy and kill off the poorest earlier. Climate change is cheaper to mitigate than to adjust to.”

    What utter horse shit.The ETS will cost billions and wreak havoc on our economy and society, and for what/ A “problem” that doesn’t exist,,,and if it did would actually bring major benefits.

    People have adjusted to changing climate (yes mate…it HAS changed before you know) down through history just fine.And even if the ETS is implemented perfectly it will not make one jot of difference to the climate….a fact that even the warmists can’t deny.

    From Ian Plimer

    Medieval Warming to Little Ice Age

    “The Medieval Warming period from 900 to 1300 was a period of great human advances in Europe, China, and Angkor Wat in southeast Asia. Humans generally prospered and were able to more easily feed and cloth themselves. As a result, they had enough time and resources to be able to undertake the building of cities, great cathedrals, and the start of universities throughout Europe. Europe started importing goods from China and the East Indies via the Orient. The Orient itself prospered with renewed agriculture, trade, and the establishment of institutions of learning. This period was warmer than the late 20th Century period.

    The Medieval Warming was not nearly as warm as had been the longer Holocene Climate Optimum from 7000 BC to 3000 BC, but it was about the equivalent of the Roman Warming between 250 BC and 450 AD. Europe was warm, rainfall was plentiful, the climate was stable, and agricultural production became more bountiful and reliable. Farmers were able to farm to higher elevations in the mountains. Food production increased enough to allow the population to increase from 30 to 80 million in Europe. The population of China doubled in 100 years also.

    There was a great expansion in trade. People could produce more than was needed for subsistence and were able to trade the excess. The warm period was accompanied by fewer storms and intense winds were less common than during the Dark Ages. Note that this is contrary to the claims of many Global Warming Alarmists today. Coastal trade and long distance ocean trade routes were widely established. Movement overland became easier. Though it rained more, there was also more sunshine to dry out the mud on roads. Mountain passes were open for longer periods….”

    Continued here

    http://objectivistindividualist.blogspot.com/2009/08/medieval-warming-to-little-ice-age.html

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  19. James – you’re coming across all bolshy and agrieved!
    Have a Kit-Kat or something.
    As for your Medieval Warming mumbo-jumbo.
    Give us a break.

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  20. So there was no Medieval warm period Greenfly?

    Will you be alerting your fellow climate experts to this ‘fact”?

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  21. A lot of things happened in Medieval times James, but unlike Mr Hide and Mr Garrett, I don’t want to return to those dark ages.

    Dunking stools
    Blood letting
    Garotting
    Serfdom
    Lords and Ladies…

    I’m over it.

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  22. “Who’s that trip-trapping over MY br..

    “PUT A SOCK IN IT JAMES!”

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  23. Oh Frog, I empathise
    .. as I suck Fair Trade dark choc from between my sticky teeth. :-)

    Yes, it is a good result that Cadbury’s will no longer put palm oil in their chocolate.

    Yes, Scoop indeed caught the story well before anyone else in NZ is likely to publish about it – so kudos for noticing.

    Chocolate, a subject dear to my heart & dearer to my stomach, is something I could write a 500-word review of – but I shall limit my enthusiasm for this forum!

    Suffice to say that here in Wellington, New Zealand, I have the choice of Green & Black’s Maya Gold (Orange & Spice) organic, imported;
    or the afore-mentioned Fair Trade, which is also available in 100g flavoured blocks (imported);
    or Whitaker’s, when I feel like buying local, and the supermarket price wars tempt me (I’m also partial to the brand because I know I’m supporting local industry, and the stuff is the freshest choc around here);
    or, if I shopped at the Warehouse, Richmond’s – dubious ingredients – and the (fairly semantically incorrect) Tres Bon, which doesn’t taste all that good, so I generally don’t bother (both imported).

    At various stages of the decsion choice, I take into account food miles, GE ingredients, gluten in fillings (which restricts my choices somewhat), and business practice of the manufacturer.

    Cadbury doesn’t win, in my shopping cart.

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  24. katie – Green & Black’s organic Dark Chocolate (made with finest Trinitario cocoa beans for an intense taste) is pretty damn fine and equivalent to a ‘slam your eyelids up’ coffee, or something brewed from Wormwood …kinda!

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  25. # greenfly Says:
    August 18th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    fact is James…science trumps superstition.

    Be careful that saying doesn’t come back to bite you on the arse….;-)

    If anyones indulging in mystic nonsense its the Greens and their retarded devotion to preventing Gaia getting all hot and sweaty…

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  26. Fly if you mount an argument at least don’t embarass yourself with silly insults.

    “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool….” and all that.

    ;-)

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  27. Happy to be thought a fool, James. I’ve seen not hide nor hair of your ‘argument’ though, or was that the ‘Douglas is not troughing’ line you were stringing. If that’s the case, there is no argument. He is.

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  28. James sputtered,
    don’t embarass yourself with silly insults.

    From James’ first post,

    Take note enviro fascists

    Don’t be so daft James!

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  29. James

    The MWP may have increased the agricultural output of Europe and other cold-temperate areas and improved life in general but much of the inhabited area of Earth is tropical or semi-tropical and warming in these aras is less of a benefit and more of a curse. Add to that changes in rainfall and food shortages become too likely.

    Trevor.

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  30. “In a free market you don’t need “all the information’…..just the free market price of an item. Pollution is billed in a free market….those who create it must deal with it….other peoples private property rights see to that.”

    Who does the billing? The government?

    Or is this the free-market utopianism that says we can just sue anybody whose pollution impacts on us?

    I must admit, I’m somewhat sympathetic to this latter idea (I think my sympathy stems from reading too much Kafka years ago.

    The concept of a society collapsing under the own weight of frumious litigation – not to mention the cost of funding the massively enlarged judicial system – appeals in a surreal sort of way.

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  31. Good grief – Plimer? I am trying to connect him with Chocolate…

    Perhaps he is pointing out that cocoa is dark and so it absorbs more light making it warmer… which would make about as much sense as everything ELSE in his incoherent contribution to the climaticide.

    Plimer is the one making money off of this mess, his book fills a much needed gap in any library.

    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/04/the_science_is_missing_from_ia.php

    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/do-you-believe-ian-plimer/

    …and finally, has it occurred to you that the MWP is wholly irrelevant to the question? I find it hard to countenance an argument that because it might have been as warm back then and things were good. That it won;t get any warmer than it is now… Or that getting a lot WARMER than the Holocene optimum will make things even better. Neither conclusion can be logically drawn.

    I suggest you get hold of “Poles Apart” by Gareth Morgan and ignore Plimer and Wishart as completely as possible.

    In a free market you don’t need “all the information’…..just the free market price of an item. Pollution is billed in a free market….those who create it must deal with it….other peoples private property rights see to that.

    Just exactly how am I to sue someone in China for firing up a coal burning electrical generator? Or haven’t you noticed that the commons CANNOT be priced without recourse to some form of government, self-government or otherwise ?? Worse yet, how are our CHILDREN going to sue us for the damage we do.

    Moreover, libertarianism depends not only on my having complete information about all the ramifications of my decisions, it also depends on EVERYONE having all that information and understanding it. You need to revisit the basis of your perfect theory and recognize that the foundation of it is an imaginary perfectly rational AND well informed human.

    Altogether it is no more rational than communism as both rely on misreading human nature and libertarianism has been even less successful at influencing human societies. Which indicates that, as appealing as the theory may be, its flaws are fundamentally more serious.

    respectfully
    BJ

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