by frog
Bonn, Afghanistan, and now sea lions. Whatever next from this government?
Update: and now sheep – speaks for itself really.
Published in THE GAME by frog on Wed, August 12th, 2009
Tags: afghanistan, Bonn, general debate, marine animals, Sea lions
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
Can someone axplain to me how burning 100kg of aviation fuel (kerosine) turns into 300kg of carbon dioxide or is this another case of alarmist warmist talk?
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/new-gliding-landing-method-for-planes-to-slash-fuel-consumption-20090811-eg53.html
And would you like to land in a plane that “glides in” to save fuel but could cost your life if power was needed quickly (like flying sideways into Wellington on a windy day).
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Greenpeace supporter Keisha Castle-Hughes has come under fire from Federated Farmers president Don Nicholson …
The speech invoked memories of a similar outburst by previous president Charlie Pederson…
Ah.
Memories!
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Gerrit Says:
August 12th, 2009 at 7:39 am
> Can someone axplain to me how burning 100kg of aviation fuel (kerosine) turns into 300kg of carbon dioxide or is this another case of alarmist warmist talk?
carbon dioxide is formed by carbon from the fuel combining with oxygen from the air when it burns. Carbon dioxide has 2 oxygen atoms for every carbon atom, so you end up with 3 atoms of emission for every one atom of carbon in the fuel, making an emission that weighs roughly 3 times as much as the fuel.
It’s slightly more complicated than that, because jet fuel contains some hydrogen which is not in the CO2, and because an oxygen atom is slightly heavier than a carbon atom.
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“People have two choices – to either fear tomorrow or roll with it and adapt”
Just the two choices, Don?
Let it roll baby, roll.
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http://whoar.co.nz/2009/how-on-earth-are-we-going-to-survive/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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They were doing this before Y2K, too.
Once a scared chump, always a scared chump.
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Yesterday I drove into the city to pick my wife up. She could have taken public transport but doesn’t feel safe in the dark.
The chances of her being assaulted are probably quite low, but so are the chances of winning Lotto ( and hoards of people buy Lotto tickets).
Fear of crime is a matter of perception, In Yokohama I watched policemen march out of the station in the evening white gloves on and batons swinging; here we watch gang members swagger.
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# BluePeter Says:
August 12th, 2009 at 9:27 am
They were doing this before Y2K, too.
Once a scared chump, always a scared chump.
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Gareth Morgans seminar didn’t rub off much?
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How on earth are we going to survive?
we could use abortion more.
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Gerrit
So they aren’t OFF, just idling. I’ve heard of this, also of optimum ground traffic scheduling, where the time spent taxiing and then waiting is reduced. The engines spin up a minimum time before the plane actually reaches its take off roll. We can save something by being a little smarter. OTOH, I doubt that I’d favor this approaching Wellington. They do have some caveats about where it is appropriate.
(one does hope).
respectfully
BJ
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BP
Not all the problems we resolved before Y2K were trifling. Some could indeed have caused deaths. I don’t think you fully appreciate it because the problem was prevented.
In this way it is much like AGW. If we succeed in preventing it, you’ll tell us it was never going to happen anyway.
What you don’t know CAN hurt you.
BJ
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“Greenpeace supporter Keisha Castle-Hughes has come under fire from Federated Farmers president Don Nicholson …”
Simon Upton gave Federated Farmers a serious roasting in the Dominion Post yesterday:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/columnists/2739868/In-celebration-of-intellect-intensive-agriculture
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Mmmmmm!
Roast farmer!
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>>I don’t think you fully appreciate it because the problem was prevented.
My company worked on Y2K “issues” in London. Like take candy from babies, which of course is exactly what they were.
Good times.
Looks like there’s another huge money making opportunity coming up. If ya can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em I say.
Y2k was a con BJ. It was right to check, but you and I both know we were finding SFA problems.
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Note to self: Blue takes candy from babies.
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No BP, my professional career then was in the arena of embedded real-time software. I am still VERY good at that.
There were a number of quite deadly (or expensive) bugs found.
You are I think, correctly identifying the overall effect particularly for the banks, but there were some serious problems.
For the banks I think you are correct. Overall? I think not.
BJ
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It was a candy go-round.
Worked like this. IT Managers wanted new infrastructure. Easiest way to get it was to say the magic word: “y2k”. If you were just ordering new gear, you didn’t get the budget, but if you were “ordering new gear to solve the y2k problem”, they couldn’t throw cash at you fast enough.
I imagine the same thing goes on in scientific circles. Just attach the magic word “global warming” to your funding application and bingo!
The whole time the “y2k problem” was being hyped by the press to ridiculous levels. Sold papers, I guess.
But the fact was – we just weren’t finding big problems. It was all very minor. There were some embedded systems that needed upgrading, but the dooms-dayists were having a field day.
Same thing is happening now. Almost all of the global warming stuff is alarmist nonsense, with a grain of truth at the centre, and a large mass of unknown (as is always the case with the future).
What is worse is that there are politicians involved in this one, which puts it on a whole ‘nother level of ridiculous.
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BJ,
How long do turbines take to “spool up” before reaching useable (maximum?) thrust.
Noticed this morning that from idle to full “spool up” takes about 5-10 seconds. Not sure if that is enough time to get a plane out of trouble when on a glide path.
And no, having flown into Wellington sideways (looking out the window to see the full stretch of runway – something the pilot should only see) I would not suggest that Wellington be a good place to “glide” into.
The greatest joy in not being in the corporate sector is not having to fly into Wellington on a regular basis.
There was one occasion I was glad that the pilot had some power on when a light plane was stuck on the runway at Wellington (due to high winds) and the 737 did a perfect immatation of an F18 on full power and rocketted skywards to avoid a disaster.
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Cant imagine how Wellington airport has avoided considerable disaster for so long (may it continue).
As a Professional Traveller I have a book of Horror Stories about ‘flights into Wellington’
It’s my home town, but a cold old sink for all that. Why did anyone settle there? Ngati Toa pretty well gave it away as a last resort for the disenfranchised.
And when the oceans rise – our taxes will subside – good old Wellington!
Glide???! GLIDE – ye gods no….
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thank you for the heads-up on that..sam..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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BP
The problems with your analysis are that :
Y2K never threatened the end of civilization. Could not have done so. Despite the popular press. We all knew that.
I remember when I found my first problem in the instrumentation, and the question of its “urgency” at that point was still an issue then. Only places like navigation, medical safety.. that sort of thing were really critical… otherwise it would have been easier to deal with the bugs when they showed up rather than going on a bug hunt. After I worked through some of them it was clear there WAS a real problem.
Not as big as the Newspapers claimed, they can be trusted to lie to sell papers in any event, but a problem that could have killed a fair few people and grounded aircraft for a while.
We spent nothing at all on hardware (being a government agency we did it efficiently). You had a different experience… and apparently it scarred you for life
The second is your dismissive
Same thing is happening now. Almost all of the global warming stuff is alarmist nonsense, with a grain of truth at the centre…”
None of the scientists are making up nonsense.. except maybe Pielke Sr.
The news media IS of course, doing the exact same thing. I took to heart that complaint of Gareth’s that there needs to be something other than the Scientists and the Media, some channel untainted by the media pressure to stir up trouble that sells papers, and able to make the science understandable.
The politics is regrettably necessary. Only coordinated action can move the issue on the scale it needs to be done. Even if the US economy were do disappear (as it seems to be trying to do) we’d still need to act.
respectfully
BJ
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oops – end the italics after the “centre…”
sorry.
BJ
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>>nd apparently it scarred you for life
Opened my eyes, certainly
Don’t believe the hype, especially when its coming from people who are scared witless. Or trying to sell something. Or both.
>>gareth’s that there needs to be something other than the Scientists and the Media, some channel untainted by the media pressure
Indeed. Or political pressure.
I’m not convinced AGW is a big threat. We don’t yet know enough to make that call. It *might* be, so further discovery and analysis is valid.
It’s a question of science, and appropriate risk management. Neither area is managed well by politicians or the media.
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I work in the City of London for Y2K.
There was actually shedloads of broken software that needed fixing prior to the big day. Many other organisations were in a similar boat. But it was all fixed and tested and the big night was a zero stress experience. I wasn’t within miles of the office.
Y2K was a non-issue because a lot of people did a lot of work.
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The difference between Y2K and AGW is that firms recognised the threat and immediate consequences of Y2K. AGW is (percieved as) slow, long term (good and) bad and probably not in our lifetime.
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Has anyone thought of simply ending the $1000 pa Kiwi Saver subsidy (except for the start-up) – making it compulsory at 2% for full-time worker and employer. Saving $3 B over 3 years.
Then using the $3B to offer New Zealanders $1500 voucher
per electoral household – this for subsidy on insulation or a heat pump or double galzing or a Kiwi Saver deposit.
The compliance cost avoided bvy simply using this voucher to pay for the product/installation or a Kiwi Savfer deposit (this Fund or the business cashing the voucher with government).
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http://whoar.co.nz/2009/tips-for-promoting-veganism/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Such reasonable commentary. Not written by phil I see. I like this bit:
Few people have any interest in engaging a religious zealot bent on converting them. Similarly, when animal rights advocates give the impression that they are trying to convert people, people resist the message.
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aren’t so many greens so good at passive aggression..?
..developed almost to an art form..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Yes, isint it funny that he posts on his site a message promoting exactly that which we were suggesting and he dismissing.
Odd.
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has anyone heard how the sows are getting on..?
phil(whoar.co.nz0
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What are you having for dinner tonight?
If you catch a decent-sized eatable fish, but turn it over and find it has a massive deformity, what will you do with it? Should you eat the deformity to see what it tastes like? Should you cut off the lump and serve up the rest to your family?
http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=9860
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Fugu toxin in the sea slugs that are killing the dogs that bite them .. on the beaches near AUCKLAND!!!
Wonder what’s going on in the oceans?
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Nothing passive about his aggression.
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…I never was one for being subtle…
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