by frog
I haven’t yet requested my file from the Security Intelligence Service just in case it diverts some hard working intelligence operative from detecting an outrage from Al-Qaeda, the Red Army Faction, Baader Meinhof Gang or the Action, Research and Education Network of Aotearoa (ARENA).
Of course the group most likely to be striking fear into the hearts of the New Zealand’s Security Intelligence Service (da SIS) may very well be the last group mentioned above – a collection of New Zealanders fighting against the holy grail of free trade.
Over the weekend it emerged in the media that ARENA stalwart Dr Jane Kelsey had wanted to have a gander at her SIS file.
At the start of this year our Keith received his bundle of documents and as the Herald’s Brian Rudman notes it’s since been de-rigeur for many potentially surveilled Kiwis to request their files.
Given Ms Kelsey’s name had cropped up in a couple of other like minded travellers files it seemed likely there would be a goodly bundle of documents lovingly kept since the mid 80s. However if there is a goodly bundle it looks likely historians of the distant future will be the only ones trawling through these tomes.
To get a file from the SIS one needs to request it under the Privacy Act – however as Ms Kelsey rather miffedly points out the Privacy Commissioner has decided to err on the side of an individuals privacy – unfortunately for Ms Kelsey that individual is Dr Warren Tucker the boss of the SIS.
Of course the real reason for not wanting to allow Ms Kelsey the full dossier may very well be that the our intelligence services are taking a rather broad and potentially embarrassing definition of this part of the NZ intelligence and Security Act.
The definition of security in the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Act provides a legislative framework for the SIS’s job. The Act defines security as:
The protection of New Zealand from activities within or relating to New Zealand that:
- impact adversely on New Zealand’s international or economic well-being.
Now since the 80s New Zealand Government’s of all political hues have been committed to free trade – perhaps there really are some in the lofty reaches of public service that do consider the activities of Ms Kelsey and company should still be spied upon – and that is perhaps why one branch of the public service has decided to protect another branch.
Published in Justice & Democracy by frog on Mon, August 10th, 2009
Tags: Jane Kelsey, Keith Locke, NZSIS, Privacy Commissioner
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
Any one see The Lives of Others about a Statsi agent in East Germany?
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_lives_of_others/
The SIS are spying on the sort of people who are likely to create those sort of extreme societies, be they religious or otherwise.
Now the people in the Urewera’s weren’t up to anything* that was just our Government “trying to please the Americans” …[Keith Locke]
*despite the solicitor general saying: [the police action] “bought to an end] “some very disturbing activities”
If the herald is to Kiwiblog
this one is to Frogblog?
http://www.indymedia.org.nz/
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“One is the history of colonisation that has dispossessed Maori in Aotearoa New Zealand and Mapuche and other indigenous peoples in Chile and left both peoples politically and economically marginalised [not to mention intermarriage and mixing of the genes]. Their struggles for control over resources and knowledge and a decent quality of life inevitably conflict with the profit-driven imperatives of neoliberal
globalisation. Underlying this is a conflict of philosophies and worldviews: the indigenous, based on solidarity and one-ness with the natural world; and the neoliberal that celebrates competition and exploitation of people and resources for individual gain.”
From ARENA but pure *Green* Party . Wouldn’t it be better if the Green party acted more like a think tank for all humanity rather than a mouthpiece for the distant left?
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My requested SIS file is arriving by container ship at Lyttelton Wharf next week.Then I can start to sue the pants off many, starting with Helen C and Sue B.
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Frog how many Green members are also affiliated with that cluster of left-wing groups such as Peace Justice Aotearoa etc, etc, and if so, wouldn’t that create a barrier to reaching out to a more mainstream membership, as for many the green party must seem like the Masonic Lodge (for want of a metaphor)?
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At Fathers4Justice protests I stage inside and outside the Beehive and Courthouses there are always more SIS agents than protesters.
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I don’t have an SIS file as I don’t exist as such (I’m an internet bot someone created when they were bored).
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jh bot. It’s a shame they didn’t make a decent one before releasing it to haunt the blogs.
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“How To” Guide – Surviving Jane Kelsey
http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-to-guide-surviving-jane-kelsey.html
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The Lives of Others
Great film. Shows why we should never, ever let the socialists/communists/environmentalists or whatever it is they call themselves next week, gain political power.
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[blockquote]the neoliberal that celebrates competition and exploitation of people and resources for individual gain[/blockquote]
Jesus wept. Who are these plonkers?
Heaven forbid anyone supplies someone else with something they want, at a price they can afford to pay.
The horror…….
Wonder how many of these ARENA tossers use Google (ultra competitive, ultra capitalist, ultra useful)?
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Well, that didn’t work….
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BluePeter whines:
we should never, ever let the …environmentalists …gain political power
Bugg*r off Blue, you arrogant *rse.
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No abuse greenfly otherwise frog will eat you.
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You are writing on a blog where environmentalists enjoy the sharing of ideas.
You are behaving like an *rse.
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dad never read you on Farrar’s site any more. Has he binned you?
His stupid ‘abortion’ post today has sunk his credibility to an all time low. Bet you wish you could have had a rant there. Village idiot spent a lot of time calling him out for his stupidity. A man after my own heart, that VI.
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Living in denial, Greenfly?
Hardly the bastion of libertarianism around here , is it. Even Key, who appears to be a centerist with socialist leanings is considered right wing around these parts.
We’ve seen what happens when the left gain control. See “The Lives of Others”
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That’d be the scarab Blue. We’re related.
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BP
IS there a link ?
BJ
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a collection of New Zealanders fighting against the holy grail of free trade.”
Yes….Gaia forbid that free people should be allowed to spend their OWN money to buy stuff from other free people who want to trade with them…..the horror!
Ah BP beat me to it….great minds and all that….;-)
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# greenfly Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
> That’d be the scarab Blue. We’re related.
great creature, the blue scarab. Lives entirely on sh*t. Could probably support a few of them on Frogblog.
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# dad4justice Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
> No abuse greenfly otherwise frog will eat you.
trying to protect your monopoly, are you?
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Don’t be silly white pine.
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“Gaia forbid that free people should be allowed to spend their OWN money to buy stuff from other free people who want to trade with them”
They’d be the ‘free’ people of China and Burma and the other assorted dictatorships and slave camps New Zealand has signed ‘Free Trade Agreements’ with would they?
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# kahikatea Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
# dad4justice Says:
August 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
> No abuse greenfly otherwise frog will eat you.
and
> Don’t be silly white pine.
For those of you who don’t know, both mindlessly abusing people on frogblog and being silly on frogblog were granted to dad4justice as exclusive rights by the Muldoon government in 1977, when he was established as a QUANGO.
Geoffrey Palmer tried to abolish him in 1986, followed by Richard Prebble trying to privatise him in 1988.
Max Bradford briefly split him into three-and-a-half competing abusebots in 1999, after which he was reamalgamated and set up under an independent trust deed by Matt Robson in 2001.
His anxieties about other people trying to be silly or abusive are understandable in this context, and it is a pity that Ruth Dyson’s bill to give him counselling for these corporatisation anxieties was never drawn from the member’s ballot.
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White Pine – who was the green MP who smoked dak in the debating chamber?
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Clue – his name starts with N
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dad – you didn’t write the above post, did you!!!
Everyone knows you don’t have a clue!
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Great history K, but just want to get in here quick and say, QUANGO or otherwise, Frog recognises no outdated Muldoonists conventions and will wield the mouse as needed if things get out of hand re personal attacks that have nary a whiff of connection with the topic. You know who you are and you have been warned.
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Amphibian wields Rodent against Insect
(details at 7)
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Maybe this blogsite could do with a few dung beatles as well; after all there is an awfull lot of ‘free’ sh*t.
I would like to turn all this SIS bull on it’s head and tell them everything about me, like how many times I go to the toilet, all the details of my weekly/monthly shopping lists, tape all my conversations with my friends (with their permission) and business associates and tell them my political affiliations:- – -
GREEN DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST (5% anarchist) there they can put that on my file!!!!
I suggest that you all do the same!!!!
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BP, the blockquote was close but you need angle brackets rather than square brackets (shift+, and shift+.)
Trevor.
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BP,
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kahikatea said: For those of you who don’t know, both mindlessly abusing people on frogblog and being silly on frogblog were granted to dad4justice as exclusive rights by the Muldoon government in 1977…
Beautiful! One of the cleverest responses to an abusive troll I’ve ever read.
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Play the blame Muldoon card again, yawn. How orginal, yawn. No wonder this country is a sick sad joke!
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“No wonder this country is a sick sad joke!”
You’re very welcome to go elsewhere – I found endless whingers were quite popular in parts of the UK.
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Oh Blue Trollikin…
The Lives of Others
Great film. Shows why we should never, ever let the socialists/communists/environmentalists or whatever it is they call themselves next week, gain political power.
…you amaze me. Given that the film is about the East German Stalinist puppet government which had one of the filthiest environmental track records in history…. Just how to do you connect this with Environmentalists?
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It’s a not-so subtle dig at who I think really drives the environmental movement….
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“It’s a not-so subtle dig at who I think really drives the environmental movement….”
See the logic? East German Stalinism was nasty, BP thinks greens are backed by socialists, Soviet-style socialism screwed the environment, greens are environmentalists, therefore Greens are Stalinists, therefore you musn’t vote Green.
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Go on then Blue… be unsubtle then (cough! cough!), tell us explicitly exactly who drives the environmental movement and how you know!
Because I can tell you, I, and all the other “enviromentalists” I have personally met, we’re in it for absolutely no other reason than this…
I’m really pissed because over the last lots of decades I’ve been alive I have personally, seen the environment in every corner of the world I have been, get progressively more buggered up greedy short-sighted money grabbing childishly selfish fools.
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Go on John – say what you really mean! hee hee
Trouble is, you’d be about right too – the Planet has been, and is being systematically raped beyond a degree that any soul of conscience can front.
BP tells me he doesn’t understand a ‘heart of darkness’ – must look all the inky same when you in de middle no?
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Dis-ingenious, guys.
Look at the backgrounds of the MPs. The organizations the Green Party aligns with. The far left have found a cosy home at the heart of teh environmental movement.
Why is it so hard to admit? Ashamed of something?
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Yes, Sam.
The far left will destroy the environment faster than anyone else. One area which they excelled….
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The ‘far left’ Blue?
Why do you harp on about them here?
Are you seriously claiming that thye Green party is infested with ‘environment-destroying-far-lefties’?
You’re blowing a storm through your foo foo valve, Blue.
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Yes, what am I thinking.
The Greens are just sooooo libertarian, and regularly see eye to eye with ACT.
They share the same Wellington Club membership status, don’t ya know….
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Eye to eye with Act?
Chin to jutting chin with Garrett?
Nose to dripping snout with Douglas?
I don’t think so.
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status reflected in a spider’s eye no doubt,
don’t quantify with us greens baby – compared to you mustards
we virgins, Now go home…learn the piano,
or anything useful.
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Say it once, say it loud….
You’re Maoists, and you’re proud!
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>>learn the piano,or anything useful.
I will only rock in the free world….
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BP
That’s just another green shoot.
BJ
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“The far left will destroy the environment faster than anyone else. One area which they excelled….”
Could you define “far left”?
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Look in the mirror Sam.
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BluePeter suggested that I say,
“You’re Maoists, and you’re proud!”
I did, but had to wonder who I was saying it to!
Your crew Peter?
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You are that far left greenfly you find it impoosible to ever finish a correct right turn.
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“Look in the mirror Sam.”
Fine and dandy – so “far left” means people who object to the existence of the state, refuse to vote for any political party on principle and actively oppose so-called socialist governments. So where does this leave BP’s wacky theories about the Green party?
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d4md
is ‘impoosible’ a typo, or are you an incorrigible potty mouth?
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yr right about the left Sam – if NZ had one Pete’d be too busy digging trenches withy Rodney to rate a “Howdy” here – ‘the left’ is familiar bait, and everyone knows it to be meaningless – no the Brain Drain exported the Best and Brightest Kiwi’s I’d say.
Else there’d be a political debate worth having – o we are off to fight the Afghani’s I see – criminal really…..lets hear from some avowed Lefties on this – no floaters please.
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Afganistan? It’s been said, we’re going from rebuilding destroyed communities, to blowing them up.
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Creative destruction, a very capitalist way of getting rid of excess production.
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GDP enhancing to boot!
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These trolls are such a bore, there is a huge difference between democratic socialists and Stalinists.
It is incredible there is no Stalinist or Maoist style of conmmunism on this earth since the ninties except North Korea, yet we have these cranks who think that the Green Party has been infiltrated by the REDS!!!
Give us a break!!!!
They must be awfully insecure now that Hayek economics has proven to be a load of custard with this recession!!!
Oh no!! but they do have to have a conspiracy, don’t they? they can’t prove one but they badly need one.
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Regarding the aforementioned Act, I find myself somewhat puzzled as to how(or whether) New Zealand is not compromising..
with the more aggressive redeployment – or as the case may be deployment – of SAS troops in Afghanistan.
Given the international acclaim of non-aggressive deployments and for largely constructive purposes, there would appear to be need of greater explanation.
Like why the change? Else we assume that the greater risk of things going bad was well worth breaching the above Act. For instance.
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