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  1. Yes, thanks Valis. Now how can we get that into the public arena…
    I saw Jeanette on Q&A and while her message was clear and worthy, it didn’t stop the other panelists in their tracks as it should have done. The ‘thank goodness we don’t have to sacrifice anything’ message is too pervasive and readily adopted by most people.

  2. Valis

    Faith restored and I’m enormously encouraged to hear that there are Natty ministers wearing the Green boot on their backsides. It all seemed too, too chummy from way out here. What set me off was the complete lack of reference to the Green involvement with the proposed cycle routes – we got one – and it irked me, having been encouraged to look fondly upon the project because of our MOE agreement. There’s not been a ‘heads up’ re the cycleway(s) here either and that puzzles me also, nor a reaction to the 15% weasel decision. I’ll try to be less impatient.

  3. Careful of making false associations and seeing patterns that aren’t really there, greenfly. Humans are all too good at this. What do you think Greens would be saying that is so very different if the MoU didn’t exist? Ironically, I have heard anecdotally that Nat ministers are getting pissed that Green MPs turn up to work with them one day and kick them hard the rest of the week. It will be interesting to see just how long the relationship lasts, particularly with the Nats honeymoon over and some true colours starting to show.

    Re visibility, Russel was one of the most visible politicians in the country courtesy of Mt Albert until six weeks ago. Then he went over seas for most of a month. Since returning, he’s been doing plenty, but the overall impression would have to be much less compared to the previous period. and Meyt got heaps of coverage when she became leader. Its not surprising that would end at some point. These thngs are often cyclic. We had a big push on the Green New Deal for instance and got lots of good coverage. The next thing will come, don’t worry.

    Have some faith, dude, they haven’t sold out in the least.

  4. people have been pointing out that the 9 million being spent on the up and coming referendum could be spent on the cycleway; but that’s the cost of repairing the damage done to our democracy by parliament acting against the wishes of the majority.

  5. Valis
    During the day I have seen the releases you describe and agree that there is benefit to the cooperation over the cycleway but it seems small change by comparison with, for example, the 15% offering from Nick Smith. Are we too grateful for a chance to achieve some of our aims and losing the edge of our role as an opposition party? The MOE seems to be having that effect. As an example and from the point of view of a distant observer, our co leaders seem to have disappeared from the scene.

  6. greenfly, our noise has been out there in more than one way. The PM acknowledged Kevin in his press release and speech at the local govt conf, and held a joint press conf with him afterward. I have seen Kevin quoted in several articles and seen him on TV too. That the press focus more on the controversy of Key’s original claims vs the current reality more than the Greens simply talking up the many good reasons to invest in such a project is just what usually happens. As for claims the project is now smaller than planned, this announcement is only the first phase using only 18% of the $50m allocated, so there will be more to come.

    As for Bomber and other such silly comments, WTF? We are the biggest critics of the Nats in Parliament and regularly get pilloried in this space and others for doing so. Not working with them on the cycleway would only mean a worse result for a project we think is all good. It still irks me that our political discourse cannot handle this most uncomplicated of nuances, but that it cannot is no reason not to do the right thing.

  7. Rod Donald used to say that if he just wanted power, he could have pretty easily become a Labour Minister. Thank goodness he had some principles as well. Pragmatism is important and Rod was also credited for that, but there needs to be a voice out there speaking truth too, even if it isn’t popular, as otherwise we never make progress.

  8. Even better, you need to come up with answers that don’t involve hairshirts and high taxes.

    Too tough?

    You have no option. People won’t vote, en masse, for anything else.

  9. BluePeter Says:
    July 28th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    > Until you take care of the vote-with-the-wallet factor, your actual vote will never rise above where it is now.

    True. There will be sectors of socitey and sectors of the economy who will benefit financially from Green Party policy. I can see some value in idenitfying who those people are and publicising that fact to them, but we haven’t really done that. I don’t think we should be devising policies on the basis of narrow self-interest, but there’s nothing wrong with promoting some of them on those grounds.

  10. Well, there’s a first 🙂

    From where I’m sitting, there appears to be a huge middle ground the Greens could occupy, but it would require a level of political pragmatism someway from where you are now.

    Interestin’ though…..

  11. Until you take care of the vote-with-the-wallet factor, your actual vote will never rise above where it is now.

    People say Green, they don’t vote Green.

  12. Well-heeled urban greenies don’t “make noise” 🙂

    It might wake the Wadestown neighbours, or scare little Tristran & Emma….

  13. Bomber says this:

    Perhaps if the Greens weren’t so busy kissing John Key over their stupid bloody bike lane they might want to point out how pitiful National’s response is to the worst Global crises we face.

    Where is our noise?

  14. >>I don’t see or hear any mention of the Green Party at all!

    Silly. If the public is in support of it, it’s Nationals idea. If not, then it’s a Green idea.

    Welcome to Wellington 🙂

  15. Excuse me, but have we been conned? Key has proudly announced the new cycleway schemes and the regions and routes that have been decided upon and I don’t see or hear any mention of the Green Party at all! Wasn’t this part of out MOU? What has happened? There was anticipation being built up here on Frogblog and hints not to slag off the cycleway programme because the Greens were going to be part and parcel of it, but…but…but?? Can anyone explain?

  16. The hours that guy must have spent on the bike!

    I think dangermouse is missing the value of inspiration. Conquering (urban) mountains, in his own way.


  17. I’m sure if that bike was powered by an internal combustion engine you would all be condemning his behaviour as “mindless” “dangerous” abuse of public spaces.

  18. dangermouse

    Taxpayers! Like Danny MacAskill.

    His ‘playground’ is…everyone elses as well! Happy days!

  19. @dangermoose, I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re being facetious… if not, I shudder to think of a world full of authoritarians like yourself. The creative freedom shown in that video defies suppression.

  20. Most of the growth in cycling is in recreational or fitness cycling. As someone said on radio “Cycling is the new golf!”
    So there is a growing demand for cycling tracks for these recreational and fitness cyclists – many of who cycle as families or in swarms.
    Sadly, mot of the money spent on cycle ways is designed to serve the few who commute and who are used to moving from lane to road etc.
    The result is that many of these recreational and fitness groups end up on the roads and cause massive tension between motorists and cyclists and make life difficult for genuine cycling commuters.
    An exception is Hawkes Bay where the cycle routes are plentiful and are designed as recreation paths and yet work for the commuters as well.
    In Houston I noticed that the new comprehensive developments there have wonderful cycle tracks along the levies and so on and are used with enthusiasm.
    They connect up to gyms and to playgrounds and to schools but do not drop the users on to major arterials.
    We need to recognise these two different (or three if you include the mountain bike groups who have different requirements) and allocate more time and resources to recreational tracks and less to commuter lanes.

  21. Some people may remember Keith Quinn’s speechless “oh . . . oh . . .oh!” commentary on one of Jonah Lomu’s tries against England at the World Cup in South Africa. That’s how I feel every time I see this video – to do what he does requires a skill level that I would have thought impossible. As a demonstration of the human potential for the extraordinary, I find him completely inspirational.

    The music helpd too of course. Those who want more might want to look out for Ryan Leech.

  22. Bloody irresponsible if you ask me. Fences were created for a reason and riding a bike on the top of them was not one of them. And the same goes for trees. And I’d like to know who he thinks is paying to maintain his ‘playground’? The Taxpayer! That’s who!


    I checked the meaning in the dictionary :
    … “excellent, extraordinary, extravagantly fanciful, capricious, eccentric” …

    Yes! definitely “FANSTASTIC” !

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