Comments on: General Debate, July 18, 2009

By: Dr Dunny Brush

Dr Dunny Brush — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:22:42 +0000

Raise productivity? Sack some workers. Hahaha! Raise productivity? Lower wages. Hahaha. Raise productivity? Sack more workers! Hahahahaha! Raise productivity? Privatise. Hahahahaha!

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By: greenfly

greenfly — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:18:12 +0000

d4j

I never worry about phil – he’s a giant killer, it’s you I fret for.

What’s your position on the pig issue? D4stall?

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By: dad4justice

dad4justice — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:57:10 +0000

Don’t worry about phool greenflee as he has a severe case of the Dope Flu.

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By: greenfly

greenfly — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:49:58 +0000

PhilU

The Minister, David Carter, has urged the pig industry to respond to animal welfare concerns and in particular to phase out the use of sow crates.

Mr Carter told a Pork Industry Board conference on Monday that it cannot afford to ignore genuine consumer concerns about some pig farming practices.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/07/20/1245bc3cbd0f

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By: jh

jh — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:55:36 +0000

Anthony Franz says an undercooked salmon salad gave him a 9-foot-tapeworm, and in August he sued the Chicago restaurant that served it to him.

If Franz’s tapeworm tale holds water – and the Chicago Sun-Times reports that the restaurant disputes his account – then it’s just one more data point to add to a growing urban tapeworm problem.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=a re-urban-tapeworms-on-the-rise-2009-06-11&sc=SA_20090716

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By: Prim

Prim — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:08:26 +0000

Here is a question for Owen McShane or anyone else in the know: what in your view is happening to NZ’s recycling and why? I have heard a few people over the years express some cynicism about it, saying recycling sometimes gets dumped at the landfill by contractors … I want to know more.

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By: bjchip

bjchip — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:18:31 +0000

You and me both JH… divorce is so damned expensive we would probably not break even in a decade, even if she did collect dpb.

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By: Prim

Prim — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:01:38 +0000

Hi phil u, I am looking at the SAFE site now – interesting stuff.

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By: Mark

Mark — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:18:51 +0000

Yer, and I shoulda gotta Govt. house and let everyone else carry the can.
Forget Insurance as they forget me
and forgive me my shoplifting,
as I forgive those who burglarize my petty remainders.
Globalization means that NZ is not a bug on the bumper.
Someone’s financial chattel for sure – it’s why we should be utilizing our own resources (food and shelter) for our own good.
So Sorry.

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By: BluePeter

BluePeter — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:52:41 +0000

>>challenging the Government to seriously consider temporarily paying the full unemployment benefit to workers laid off because of the downturn regardless of the income of their spouses.

Or they could have saved for a rainy day.

More and more dependence and borrowing from the left. The benefit should be for those who have no other means available. A safety net. Losing a job is not some bizarre act of God, it is “highly likely” for many people.

So why are they buying that extra wide-screen TV rather than insuring against the risk by saving? Oh, that’s right – other tax payers will bail them out.

They can go jump. They might learn a thing or two about why saving is a good idea.

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By: jh

jh — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:50:37 +0000

I shouldnna got married I shoulda got my wife up the duff rented my house out and moved in as the flatmate.

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By: jh

jh — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:48:06 +0000

So this is wrong Toad (and if it is I apologize)
in NZ we have the DPB, a benefit that you can get, with NO requirement that you need to even look for a job until your child turns 18 !!!, that’s right, you can collect a benefit care of the taxpayer for 18 years for no other reason that you have a kid but no partner !!!
And depending on how many kids you have and your accommodation costs etc, the DPB can range from $500 to $900 + per week IN THE HAND, whats the incentive for them to ever get a job when they would have to make at least $50k to $65k just to make the same after tax?

In NZ you now have the situation where a girl can get knocked up the duff and have a kid at 16, go on the EMA until she turns 18 and then onto the DPB.
She can then sit back and collect every week DPB, Accommodation Supplement, Family Tax Credit for however many rug rats you have and you can always get Child Disability Allowance if your child has almost any medical condition, TAS for other costs, Disability allowance for any “disability related expenses” for yourself and dont forget to bludge of the taxpayers for your education as well. Thats right, unlike all other students who need a student loan, if your on the DPB you can get Training Incentive Allowance, and this does NOT have to be paid back.
So if a woman wants a free Uni education, she and her partner just need to be “separated”, even if he is “boarding” as a “friend or flatmate only” in her house.

After a few years she can pump out a few more rug rats and its another 18 years until she needs to worry about getting a job. Of course by then she can say how “depressed” she is and go on the Sickness benefit before transferring to the Invalids Benefit and then she can retire on New Zealand Super having never paid any tax in her life.

And if you think this kind of thing doesn’t happen, think again and wake up. It does, there are entire family’s all bludging off the taxpayer for different reasons, generation after generation.

http://www.uthink.co.nz/Lifestyle/no-more-dpb/111761.aspx

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By: jh

jh — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:41:12 +0000

# toad Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:28 am

Exposé? Looks like the same old right wing beneficiary bashing claptrap we’ve seen spewed forth by the likes of Lindsay Mitchell for years, jh.
…………………..

For crying out loud Toad it happens to be true, Of course the person in the piece is hypothetical and unless you employ a private detective and invade their privacy (which would be against the bill of rights) you’ll rarely nail a real person in public.
Was there something about the article that wasn’t factual (in a PC sense)?

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By: phil u

phil u — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:29:32 +0000

yeah toad..

this is what i thought about goffs gag-inducing exercise in humbug/hypocrisy..

..it’s sorta along the lines..’how feckin’ dare he..!’..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/comment-whoarawwphil-goff-wants-the-gummint-to -help-the-suffering-unemployedhe-gets-this-weeks-crocodile-tears-award and-its-only-mo

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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By: toad

toad — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:24:25 +0000

New topic – at last Phil Goff has actually come up with a good idea. Well, half of a good idea.

…challenging the Government to seriously consider temporarily paying the full unemployment benefit to workers laid off because of the downturn regardless of the income of their spouses.

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By: Mark

Mark — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:42:52 +0000

Turnip; Translating comment into Platitudes that exist only in your mind doesn’t bear responding to – gulags indeed – try the minumum wage and explain the difference to me.
Bothered to listen to who? – you I suppose.
We describe the same problem from different points – I though, have no great vitriol about it – merely describe the problems from tertiary to end user – are you an ‘evil business owner’ too?
Well I couldn’t much care as you seem to have lost the ball but continue kicking anyway….good luck with that – reckon you’ll find out who you are hurting one day.
Yep; Price Controls – something our Prime Minister should understand well – but he’ll be up against the kind of furious greed you display so well.

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By: turnip28

turnip28 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:30:01 +0000

Haha Mark price controls.

while your are at it why don’t you fire up the old gulags as well.

If you bothered to listen then maybe you would understand inflation of the money supply and its downstream effects such as price increases.

Of cource the typical socialist can’t put 2 and 2 together and instead blames it all on the evil business owner.

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By: Mark

Mark — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:35:07 +0000

jh; I tend to agree with other’s comments re our Crime Rate.
In fact what we’re looking at is our ‘caught’ rate – the obvious crimes get solved – or foisted onto someone with a sheet….SPC nails it at 9.59pm I reckin.
Price controls are needed in NZ as Producers are taking advantage of our Social Security system and hiking costs to preserve their margins – very few business’ have to do this – the fact is though,, that they will, until it becomes illegal – tying prices to costs is the best way I feel – having done time in the marketing world I can assure you that profits on Some items are nothing short of obscene – yet it has the effect of pushing low income earners to the wall.
Not Fair. No. Not this year, Never.

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By: toad

toad — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:28:36 +0000

Exposé? Looks like the same old right wing beneficiary bashing claptrap we’ve seen spewed forth by the likes of Lindsay Mitchell for years, jh.

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By: jh

jh — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:38:15 +0000

DPB expose

http://www.uthink.co.nz/Lifestyle/no-more-dpb/111761.aspx

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