sofistek – this has nothing to do with responsibilities. Children don’t have any legal responsibilities – but they should have legal rights to protection.

Toad, that is exactly my point. You want to treat kids, of all ages, as adults but only want them to have the “rights”, none of the responsibilities. You can’t, on the one hand, say that they should be treated as adults but, on the other hand, say they shouldn’t be. That is the crazy thing about all this; you can’t even see your hypocrisy.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

that’s another shade of Green altogether – share your remarkably interesting hobby ?

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

Toad,

At least Family First don’t lie. And you guys obviously know where to find the questions. So you have obviously have formed an opinion on the validity of the surveys which quite frankly are a hell of a lot more valid and reliable than anything done by Barnardos and the Office of the Children’s Commissioner.

Perhaps you could have informed your readers that the Barnardos survey was with stressed kids, of which only 10 percent took part – in terms of valid surveys, the questions were appalling and the reporting was lies.

So why didn’t you? Why does it have to be people like me to point out the facts of the matter?

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

Mark, intellectual masturbation is a disease.
Seek help.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

davec, I’ll accept that the reporting of this survey by Barnardos, and the survey question itself, is not perfect.

In fact, it is about the same standard of wording and reporting as the various surveys that Family First have relied on in their campaign to reintroduce a justification defence for the use of force against children for the purpose of correction – probably slightly better.

At least Barnardos release linked to the full survey information so people could form their own opinions on the validity – most of those relied upon by FF and the “no-voters” don’t even do that.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

The survey is interesting, but even more interesting is that Barnardos lied about the results.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

Photon

Your leg has been pulled to such an extent that if you were to stand with one foot on the Empire State Building and one foot in a hole it would have to be a damned deep hole.

Actually I think the fever is getting to both our flu sufferers.

respectfully
BJ

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

greenfly – “‘Trussssssst in me…jusssssst in me…

Look into my eyesssss Mowgli…”

You’re on the wrong board.

The debate on egalising drugs boad is elsewhere.

(though you message makes a good point against it).

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

‘Trussssssst in me…jusssssst in me…

Look into my eyesssss Mowgli…

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

Mark “Show yourself some mercy, some forgiveness photo – it is way past due I’m sure you know.”

What ???? You are talking psycho babble.

If this is evidence of you ability to analyse, then you have failed completely.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

Fly – you are one clever light: though I may not readily assume the mantle you rest; I have to say others have done so: If i were feelin weller i would say; Billie Jean is not my lover, she just the girl that says blah blah one, love.
Photo – money and fame make NO difference – it’s what brings a lot of such people down.
He could no more refuse the forces that formed him any more than you and I could.
The superbly courageous thing he did was to break the chain between ancenstral and hereditary abuse to a desire to become a reflection of love and love only; it’s also why so many suspected him of being a paedophile – a failure of understanding – but the pressures of those accusations were so abbhorent to Michael, that you can send him home innocent, and also plant the seeds of his death within him at the same time.
I know you are concerned with this issue, and seek to help – comparisons may not be helpfull, but I don’t want you to undergo psychoanalysis online either – what is fair about that?
My experience is, the more money one has, the longer one can put off a good bite of reality.
Yet the inevitable is just so, rich or poor, white or black – partly why I think the small notion called NZ has the chance to work it out – and I don’t mean by Container Prisons.
Show yourself some mercy, some forgiveness photo – it is way past due I’m sure you know.
Your hurt is not justification to hurt others – sorry to be so blunt.
Fly: That is one helluva thing for me to live up to – I’ll need help.
Bad flu – Gulf War syndrome is just such – with added aches and pains – and sensibilities i wish I were blind to.
angels to clothe you in the eternal pinkness of healing light.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

“I can see that a ’short sharp shock’ would be your favoured method of dealing with an issue. It’s a characteristic you share with Shunda.”

At least I’m honest.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

photons – don’t mess with Mark – the man’s a serpent-whisperer – he understands and speaks ‘Key’! Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssss……

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

Mark – it’s hard not to be sarcastic when you say you can analyse Michael Jackson because you’ve had lots of sessions with people just like him.

I would have thought world famous child superstars were not very common here.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

Mark! You’re a victim………of the flu? Me too! Day 4, no fun.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

mark “though the accumulative knowledge would say you are part victim, part predator, and very angry. Interesting no?

Wrong on all counts., except the last…….

Intersting? No.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

enough like him to know – sarcasm wears me not – if you ask a serious question – i’ll give you an answer, if you wan’t to be abusive – I’ll leave you to it – angry response there – see how prevalent it is?
How – I don’t have to ask – after the first few thousand cases, patterns do emerge I assure you – now I’m gonna look after my flu – please don’t try justifying yourself by intimidation – I will not respond to that – though the accumulative knowledge would say you are part victim, part predator, and very angry. Interesting no?

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

greenfly -you put yourself across as a radical nutter, then say you’re not really.

Which statement should I believe?

Perhaps there’s more truth in your radical statement than you’d care to admit.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

What it should show you photo, is that I’m pulling your chain. Never the less, it shows me that despite my patient work in seeking to understand your point of view, test the veracity of your claims and proposals and my description of the work I do with young people, you are happy to write me off in the blink of an eye. You are a very reactive guy. I can see that a ‘short sharp shock’ would be your favoured method of dealing with an issue. It’s a characteristic you share with Shunda.

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)

Greenfly – so you don’t mind other polititians wasting millions of dollars on things that could have save childrens lives – just Key.

That tells me you are not really genuine about saving childrens lives – just geniune about hating Key (it shows this is a greater priority to you).

Like or Dislike: 0  0 (0)