Frog asks if I have ever clicked on my name, which is apparently a link to my site. The answer is no, but thanks for the information.

And information is all that I am asking. Specfically, what is the maximum length for posts? frog knows the answer to that one, because he makes the decisions to remove overlong posts. And how does the automatic post censoring system work? frog may not know the answer to that, so a “don’t know” would suffice.

It all comes down to whether your blog site, and by implication your party and your society, will be governed by rules or by the arbitrary decisions of faceless individuals. I am still hoping to find that it will be the former.

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in cricket we have spinners…as an old sailor, the Nom de Plume does raise a few pictures Pete!
It’s the flag they hang when a ship’s about to sail – every sailor has that empty feeling in the stomach, we’ll keep all the imagery above the waistline, and ‘igh tory and all what?
Immoderate? Dunno – go crazy behind the wheel d’ya?

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“thebiggerpicture” sounds a bit like “thegreatergood”

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Peter – this must be frustrating for you!

thebiggerpicture said: We would like to assure everyone that that there is no intent to censor political comments

Peter said: I can only conclude that there is a political basis for the censorship.

It’s as though there are two realities…

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Apologies, BP. While I dispute that your comments don’t see the light of day, you did go into moderation by mistake. That shouldn’t have happened and has been sorted, with no posts currently being held. Go have fun.

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much as i loath most of what bp says/advocates..

..the tenets of free speech/open debate over-ride that..

what are you ‘scared of’..?

..idiots speaking idiocy shoot themselves in the feet..

..nobody is bleeding..eh..?

..and hey..!..don’t get me started..eh..?

..you..as part of the ‘official’ green party..

..have a list of things ‘to do’/attend to..that is so long..(cf..lousy result in mt albert..)

..that it actually p*sses me off that you are wasting your ‘paid’ time/energies..

..on this exercise in futilty/’suppression’..

..and that in itself..

..is entirely symptomatic of what ails you/the green party..

..ffs..!

phil(whoar

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BP

You post twice as much as I actually see here? Surely an exaggeration

Or are you saying that half your posts get “stuck” for some period of time.

Frog might do well to allow some notice of those who are generally well behaved here as well as those who abuse the forum.

Merit points instead of demerit points. ???

respectfully
BJ

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>>We would like to assure everyone that that there is no intent to censor political comments

I’ve checked, and my comments are within the rules, yet most don’t see the light of day. And they’re all delayed, meaning debates become impossible. Those who aren’t subjected to the delay are at an advantage, because there’s a restricted right of reply.

I can only conclude that there is a political basis for the censorship.

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An update on this.

We are thinking about a more formal moderation policy, but due to an internal mis-communication, we didn’t mean for it to be released when it was.

We would like to assure everyone that that there is no intent to censor political comments and that clearer guidelines will be posted in coming days.

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yes indeed GG – have just finished a very rare history book – Rangiheata was Waikanae this and Waikanae that – the longest resistor’s history in a way – and the people always called whanganui for the river and wanganui for the settlement ( originally ‘settled’ by 13 englishpeople )
In fact grew up with the children of an ancient kingdom – on the shore at Lake Taupo – am inseperanle from that

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Samiuela, I was picking up on Marks post highlighting the addition of an H after the W in Waitangi (ala Whanganui)

There has been intense debate about adding the H but nobody really seemed to care about the phonetics of it all.

If you ignore spelling, and look at the phonetics, there is no way the “wh” should ever be used as it has been.

“When” was never pronounced Fen, and Whangarei, Whanganui and Whaitangi were never spoken as “F”

If Whangarei was rewritten Hwangarei it would be phonetically correct and we would not have to put up with all this nonsense about Fangarei.

Its crazy that Maori radicals were trying to impose an English mispelling to a Maori placename, and I think thats what Mark was hinting at.

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Greengeek,

I’m not sure what you are on about with your wh and f post. A letter can represent different sounds in different languages. If you are worried letters not matching sounds, I would suggest you start with English; its a real mess compared to languages in the Pacific.

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Greengeek

They aren’t talking about moderating based on opinion, but on offensiveness, so I really don’t think there will be any problem. Frog and company have shown a lot of good sense, and people who discuss social and climate issues here find their opinions are heard and answered… not ignored.

Some people diss other people instead… others rant on about things that are not really related to “Green” issues and principles. I think the idea of this is to remove the more bitter personality posts, not the policy and opinion no matter how contrary to our own it might be.

We have to see what they do with this though. At the moment we have only half the news. It may develop a set of interesting side discussions.

respectfully
BJ

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Right On!
The Chinese alphabet has 400? characters, so given genealogical links to Maori – might not we find words fine enough in ancient Mandarin?
Key’s idea of Concensus, if he truly has integrity, could accomplish this – especially with the Greens – act is lookin like an arranged marriage – it becomes about quality – I think that’s the direction the moderator would like to head here – people here (many of them) are highly qualified and widely experienced – it would be a shame to reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator (imaginable).
John Key well, I’ve never voted National, and never let partisianship keep me from observing the right ways. He could lead it i reckon.

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“Really, thats the nub of my argument. If posts are made “calmly and “rationally” there is no need to moderate”

Good morning GG;-fancy the Nation sleeps..think you’ll find (and I’m guessing) that such comment will meet with no bother.

I visit to see how the Party I might Vote for is doing. That’s all.

Why limit the Greens? When the changes of which you speak, lead into, finance, industry, may well change the entire quantity of our fuel bills….change the Country’s fiscal face?
ye country needs a concesnsus of expertise – I like what Key says about ‘inclusion’ – don’t think he is a dullard of the old school…but many more Voters will come of age by 2011 – any Punter’ll tell you, the Green vote/versatility is going to rise.
Obama’s election was due largely to net co-ordinators.
Good one’s

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Mark Says:
Te Rauparaha signed twice….Rangiheata giggled a lot

True. And Tuhoe never signed at all, so Hwaitangi 2 would be a great idea.

(Notice that the “H” rightly belongs BEFORE the “W”. The words “when” and “where” have always been misspelt. They should have been spelt Hwen and Hwere.

All around the Pacific rim the sibilant sound was misspelt. It was never an “F” at all. I think the Chinese got it closest by putting the H first (eg Hwang Chow).

Mexicans and Peruvians (the original source of much of the Maori language) use Ju to represent the same sound (eg: Juanita).

So yes, bring on Hwaitangi 2. The original treaty was never a good document to use as the foundation of a nation.

Hope I don’t get moderated.

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would booze reform we more popular? I would think the rights and freedoms quoted here, are most like covered by the treaty, yet I maintain that w(H)aitangi2 might still be desirable – we have become much more of one race since that Treaty was paraded round the country….Te Rauparaha signed twice….Rangiheata giggled a lot.
Marijuana reform is merely consistant in a purely legal sense.
The allegory would be to execute jaywalkers whilst rewarding murder.

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bjchip Says: Advocating that an illegal activity be made legal is not the same as advocating that the law be broken.

Damaging to the party? Not if the arguments are made calmly and rationally.

Really, thats the nub of my argument. If posts are made “calmly and rationally” there is no need to moderate.

However, from an outsiders point of view (I’m not a member of the green party) the offensive posts come as much (if not more so) from greens than others.

Isn’t Gblog somewhere for the “insiders” to pat each other on the backs in a familial and non-objective way?

Can’t Fblog be left alone as a vehicle for the real world to have some effect on progressing environmentalism and green technology without having to pussyfoot around any concept that is social anathema to some green party hangers on?

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# kahikatea Says: would you also prohibit people advocate for the legalisation of less ’sexy’ activities that are currently illegal, such as building with untreated macrocarpa, or exporting apples outside of the producer-board system?

Excellent point. I definitely think it is important to be able to advocate ones particular point of view and I would probably agree with your own point of view about those two issues.

I was trying to make the point that stifling debate in a public forum skews the “tone” of the forum. Personally I am mortally offended by the views of those who waste so much time supporting cannabis reform when it alienates the wider public.

I’m generally happy to view the comments of the detractors on this blog because it is important that their views be heard, and also that the tenor of their mood be sensed, even when they are angry, disgusted or dismissive.

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are you allowed to just boot the Dave Gallagher Trophy into touch like that ?
have a go at a Try kiwi….o qoutes:

“My chance to wish you cheers
we’ve many,
Good miles to go…
here’s Rainbows,
-whisky tears
A Promise of snow.”

S Hunt

Cold enuff here anyway…in a city, but still no movement…
Funny little kiwis

arawha S.

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