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5 reasons to vote Russel + get more muscle in Mt Albert

  • Faster cheaper buses and trains will do more to cut congestion than another motorway.
  • Aucklanders want to swim in clean water at their beaches and breathe clean air.
  • Local government can be local and it can look after museums as well as footpaths.
  • Smart Green ideas like home insulation means we use less energy and don’t have to spend billions on new power stations.
  • Anyone prepared to draw attention to biceps like his has a sense of humour.

102 thoughts on “5 reasons to vote Russel + get more muscle in Mt Albert

  1. There were some good chants going on at Backbenches on Wednesdy night:

    “Russ the Muss”
    “Show us your muscle, Russel”

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  2. you left out the nuances..of tactical voting..

    that the labour lead is so great..greenie labourites can vote for russel..

    ..with no fear of losing the seat..

    and that the national candidate is so pathetic..

    ..with absolutely no chance of winning..

    ..that green-leaning nattys can vote for russel..

    ..as both a rebuke to national for the double-insult of choosing lee..

    ..and rejecting the well-liked/long-serving local natty-guy..ravi..

    ..and as a ‘spoiler’ against shearer/labour..

    ..that’s just off the top of my head..

    ..aren’t you paid to think about these things..

    ..before you write them up/publish..?

    wha’ happened..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  3. Hm, Interesting

    Faster cheaper buses and trains will do more to cut congestion than another motorway.

    How can an MP Deliver these – is this false advertising?

    Aucklanders want to swim in clean water at their beaches and breathe clean air.

    A statement of fact, that has nothing to do with the election. There isn’t even an undertaking to deliver the ability for them to be able to satisfy their desire.

    Local government can be local and it can look after museums as well as footpaths.

    They can indeed, but what does this have to do with the election and central government. Electing Russell will have no impact on the vote for the SuperCity, he’s already an MP and has the same vote whether by list or electorate

    Smart Green ideas like home insulation means we use less energy and don’t have to spend billions on new power stations.

    Again, he’s already an MP and has the same vote whether by list or electorate – nothing will change based on this election.

    Anyone prepared to draw attention to biceps like his has a sense of humour.

    True, and a good sense of humour is vital in the world we are heading toward – but let’s face it, the McGillicuddy Serious Party have that edge in spades!

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  4. a pun fan..are you strings..?

    ..that’s funny..cos rightwingers don’t usually get past slapstick..

    eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  5. * Faster cheaper buses and trains will do more to cut congestion than another motorway. Voting for Russ will NOT see cheaper buses and trains, to suggest that it will is a lie.
    * Aucklanders want to swim in clean water at their beaches and breathe clean air. Voting for Russ will NOT achive this.
    * Local government can be local and it can look after museums as well as footpaths. Voting for Russ will not see a change in the Super City plan.
    * Smart Green ideas like home insulation means we use less energy and don’t have to spend billions on new power stations. This has already been implemented by the National party
    * Anyone prepared to draw attention to biceps like his has a sense of humour. Anybody who votes for Russ MUST have a sense of humour.

    Will we ever see an honest Green party election campaign?

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  6. Well, guys, I’d rather it was about Russel’s muscles than have to stand myself somewhere & be scrutinised on the state of my hair/makeup/legs, etc … as a female candidate. ;-)

    All joking aside, it was a catchy tag-line, and followed the form of the ’08 Election billboards well enough to build on the existing campaign imagery.
    Just for once, I’ll say that as a piece of classical marketing, it went perfectly.

    (Not that I’m usually a great fan of slick billboards, or totally adverse to billboard improvements – oh, check the very end of the ‘Back Benches’ episode from this week to see the effects that adbusters in Kingsland had on one of Melissa Lee’s boards.) :-D

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  7. I can’t agree it was a catchy tag line. If The Greens were within the government in some form or other, it would be right. But as they ruled themselves to be Labour lap-dogs prior to the last election, any muscle they might have boasted was neutralised.
    My suggestion of ‘get more mussel’ was not a spurious one, it’s a play on words and rhyme to remind people of Russel’s green agenda. (you do have a green agenda don’t you Russel?) And a reminder to those of a similar agenda to muscle up that representation in parliament, by voting for Green.

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  8. Samiam said: I can’t agree it was a catchy tag line

    Caught your attention though, sam. Now, fingers crossed that everyone in Mt Albert is similarly hooked…

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  9. “# Faster cheaper buses and trains will do more to cut congestion than another motorway.
    # Aucklanders want to swim in clean water at their beaches and breathe clean air.”
    #Smart Green ideas like home insulation means we use less energy and don’t have to spend billions on new power stations.”

    Maybe. But at what cost?

    You don’t say.

    So presumably you clueless and careless people are simply squandering money and resources.

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  10. Nope wat. We are ‘simply’ identifying positive outcomes and stating our intention to achieve them.
    What are your ‘clueless and careless people’ trying to achieve? Care to show us, for example, how the cycleway has been costed? Pleeeeeease.

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  11. I thaught Greenfly’s slogan was the best, but then I am SHELLFISH BARNICLE.

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  12. greenfly,

    - “We are ’simply’ identifying positive outcomes and stating our intention to achieve them.”

    Again, at what cost?

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  13. wat – lay down your ‘cycleway’ costings and I’ll go over ours with you.

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  14. What’s the cost-benefit ratio of the cycleway again…

    … oh that’s right John Key didn’t bother doing one. A bit silly considering I imagine it would have significant benefits. I guess when you’re the PM you don’t need to worry about all those annoyances like cost-benefit ratios though.

    Wat, you need to read the Greens New Deal I think. Transport is cost neutral as you’re just shifting money from motorway building to public transport. Regarding clean air and clean beaches – that’s generally an advocacy issue rather than a funding issue (it’s the job of councils to do that kind of stuff). And finally, regarding home insulation I’m sure you know how good the payoff is for home insulation, heck even National realise it!

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  15. greenfly,

    What cycleway costings are you talking about?

    If you can’t cost your plans for still cleaner water and still cleaner air, then you don’t have a case.

    We all want cleaner water and cleaner air; but we also want a lot of other things, like food, healthcare, accomodation and entertainment. If you made accomodation cheaper, by eliminating building restrictions for example, then we’d have more money for some of the other things you might approve of.

    But just campaigning in isolation for certain environmental intangibles doesn’t give you the moral high ground. It just makes you a bunch of preachy middle-class bores.

    Maybe you should read more Dickens, and imagine how you’d sound preaching your rich-world aspirations to the real working class.

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  16. wat askes:

    greenfly,

    What cycleway costings are you talking about?

    I rest my case and I rest my head (to bed!)

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  17. greenfly,

    For your information, constant evasion of this issue does not amount to a defence.

    Jarbury,

    “Transport is cost neutral as you’re just shifting money from motorway building to public transport.”

    Are you serious?

    Do you really imagine that there are no profound cost differences to various modes of transport?

    Jesus.

    If that were the case, we could all go back to the horse and cart.

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  18. I don’t quite understand your point wat. You ask “how much extra would the Greens’ transport policy cost?” and I say “nothing, because they would just shift the money around”.

    Let’s take the $1.4 billion the government wants to spend on the Waterview Connection and – instead – spend it on something like the CBD rail tunnel or rail to the airport. How have we ended up spending more money?

    You could argue about which project would have the greater benefit, and fair enough. I eagerly await a cost-benefit comparison between the Waterview Connection and the CBD rail loop. Using a 21st century way of analysing the effects of each project, and not the 1960s bollocks that is currently used, based on mythological time savings benefits.

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  19. wat – ‘constant evasion .. doesn’t amount to a defence’ – very profound I’m sure, but I’m not defending anything. I’m seeking an explanation from you regarding the costings that have been provided for The Cycleway. After all, $50 million has been allocated for it in the budget. I’m very keen to hear from you what costings have been done for that. Surely it cannot be an uncosted project. The government couldn’t be that reckless, could it? Do make an effort not to evade answering, won’t you, as evasion doesn’t amount to a defense.

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  20. re: wat’s ‘horse and cart’ comment, there was a very interesting article in the Press? during the week on an organic vineyard that used a horse and ‘cart’ instead of a tractor, to spray (liquid seaweed) up and down the rows. Very appropriate, that technology and cutting edge too. Jesus.

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  21. Jarbury,

    - “You ask “how much extra would the Greens’ transport policy cost?” and I say “nothing, because they would just shift the money around”.”

    It’s not just a question of how much money is spent, it’s a question of how efficiently you spend it.
    You could ban the internal combustion engine and spend exactly the equivalent amount of money on those horse and carts for everyone, but the cost would be astronomical.

    The point I was making, until greenfly started fixating on cycleways, is that there is a tradeoff with everything. Promising cleaner air and cleaner beaches will have a cost, yet the Greens (like all the others) don’t tell us what it will be. Will they take the money from the education budget? The healthcare budget? They don’t say. They just make the same cheap promises as Labour and National etc.

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  22. wat dabney Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    > The point I was making, until greenfly started fixating on cycleways, is that there is a tradeoff with everything. Promising cleaner air and cleaner beaches will have a cost, yet the Greens (like all the others) don’t tell us what it will be. Will they take the money from the education budget? The healthcare budget?

    from the motorway budget, in this particular case

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  23. It’s not just a question of how much money is spent, it’s a question of how efficiently you spend it.

    Yes and that comes back to cost-benefit ratios right? How much “bang” you get for your buck.

    Surely if you get more benefit from one $1.4 billion project than another then you should consider doing that first one. The Greens New Deal outlines the huge number of additional jobs created by investment in public transport rather than investment in roads (which surely makes public transport investment a bit more attractive in the short term). In the longer term you have climate change and peak oil issues that would also point towards public transport being a more efficient, effective and beneficial use of transport funds.

    Regarding cleaner air, New Zealand’s dirty air kills about 1100 people a year. What’s the economic cost of that? Surely significant I would imagine. Regarding clean beaches, that’s a major part of our international tourist image I would think – plus dirty beaches (in the form of sweage overflows) would have a significant health effect itself.

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  24. wat – presumably you would have no party say

    # Aucklanders want to swim in clean water at their beaches and breathe clean air.”

    when it seems to me a truism. You challenge the Greens for making statements like that, by saying that costings must be provided. You appear to be averse to visionary statements (that’s ridiculous – show us the money) How prosaic you are, how lacking in ..vision!

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  25. ahhh…just completed a tour of Mt Albert’s cemeteries….now it’s off to the Polling Booths – who says there’s no life after death?

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  26. Mark – while you were there, did you see a plot marked with the legend,

    ‘Here Lie the Chances of Melissa Lee – Dead and Buried’ ?

    (the zombie you may have seen lurching about in the shadows would have been Boscawen)

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  27. Thar Fly;

    Votes can be odd in one-off shows – forsoft, there lies a kiwi
    the sympathy, empathy vote; did you see what Lewinsky did for Clinton?
    75% aprroval rating –
    Melissa ? – she could get a sheer third of the number…no odds offered here though…

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  28. Of course – it’s in the lap of the god..sakes I hope Boscawen doesn’t take it as a result of the lamington!

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  29. i don’t get that he has a great groundswell there….Russ the Mus will leave the Greens 7.62 (?) Rating to history – that’d be a harbinger hey?

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  30. Russ is fiesty! I like that.
    I’m hoping Metiria will release her hounds soon :-)
    No place for shrinking violets, the New Greens (with their Green New Deal and all!)

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  31. Rowdy – should have thought of it sooner; Rowdy Russell – just do it!

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  32. The claim that New Zealand’s clean air kills 1,000 people a year is sheer chicanery.
    Read the report and you will that each claim contains massive error terms..
    IT projects “premature deaths” but you will hunt to find how premature the deaths are.
    Are these people dying one minute earlier, an hour, or a year?

    The modelling was based on a miniscule number of data points and a European model. There was no ground proofing.
    It was junk science at its worst. This is why Government needs a science advisor to prevent this sort of rubbish taking hold and diverting us from the real issues.

    Remember the 5,000 contaminated house sites in Auckland? That two was based on junk science. The actual number proved to be six. Not six thousand – six.

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  33. well i’ve glued a foot thick autmn leaves on; am heading up to Mt Albert – Do the “Rustle”…

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  34. :-)

    If you pass by someone dressed in pink, thickly sprinkled with dessicated coconut … pass on my sympathies.

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  35. Election results here.

    Russel currently 800 votes behind Lee with around 90% counted. So looks like he’ll struggle to catch her. Pity.

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  36. Looks like Russel is over 1000 votes behind the bumbling lee, not really a vote of confidence greens.

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  37. 2,418 people in Mt Albert are expressing their confidence in Russel at this point. Well done those people!

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  38. Shunda/Peter – fair to say that the National/Act factions got a whupping in Mt Albert? Yes, I believe that would be fair to say. Shunda, you’ll be fascinated by United Future’s result – what’s wrong with people in this country. Did the Greens increase their % from the General election? I believe they did! Did National? Oops!

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  39. I will let you in on a little secret greenfly.
    The act party scares the crap out of me, and I fully expect my support of the national party to be strained in the years ahead.
    National deserved to lose Mt Albert, Key made a mistake.
    And I can’t stand united future!! why would you say that!!

    If the Green party becomes the party of common sense and moderation I WILL VOTE FOR YOU.
    If you stay the party of radical human rights agenda, progressive socialist dogma, and extreme bossy bootsery, I’m not interested.

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  40. Shunda – so much in common :-)

    You’d like to see the Greens become the party of moderation
    Do expand! A more moderate approach to water quality? Fisheries? Transport? Research and Development? Law and Order? Everything?

    I’m pasting this I WILL VOTE FOR YOU from you and will keep you to it in 2011 :-)

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  41. “You’d like to see the Greens become the party of moderation
    Do expand!”

    Show people that you can compromise and be dedicated to a steady transition, rather than banning and tearing down current infrastructure.
    If the greens had their way our societey would be all torn up with nothing to replace it with, which would result in anarchy (maybe thats the plan?)
    Why is it so hard to start at a grass roots level, at the moment you are all like a bunch of pushy christian evangelists!!

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  42. Oh dear!

    What happened to Russ the Muss?

    All that hope that once again Labour people would do he “right” thing and vote for Russ and all that happened was that Labour kicked you in the face AGAIN.

    It really was monumentally stupid to hitch your flag to their mast at the last general election and now that the lovely Granny is to step down it does not bode well for the future of the Greens does it.

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

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  43. Show people that you can compromise and be dedicated to a steady transition
    You’ll be supportive of the MOE with National then Shunda and the resulting Home Insulation success.
    You said: If the greens had their way our societey would be all torn up with nothing to replace it with
    and it seems such a stupid comment. You don’t really think that, do you?

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  44. “All that hope that once again Labour people would do he “right” thing and vote for Russ and all that happened was that Labour kicked you in the face AGAIN.”

    Like a poor little beaten puppy returns to its evil master, damn greens!, you bring a tear to my eye :cry:

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  45. “You’ll be supportive of the MOE with National then Shunda and the resulting Home Insulation success.”

    Yeah, seems like a good idea.

    “You don’t really think that, do you”

    I think with some of the current green leadership we would have some serious problems if they gained to much influence, they are just to far left.

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  46. Perhaps the Greens haven’t done as well as expected, but Russel’s share of the electorate vote is still up on the 2008 election fairly significantly.

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  47. Shunda – your fears about the influence of ‘some of the current leadership’ are ill-founded. The Greens are a party that has excellent checks and balances, that decides issues by consensus and has MPs whose relationships with each other are excellent. You seem to carry unrealistic views about many things Green. Were you frightened by a large frog when you were young?

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  48. Guys, have you ever considered getting off the net for a while & watching a movie?

    Lol, I managed to catch Mt Albert updates and see one of Judi Dench’s finer performances, alongside the luminous Cate Blanchet (who has played two of my favourite witches of all time) – there’s enough McGuffins for ya, back on topic:

    Well done the Green campaign team, a 6% or so rise on the ’08 figures, which appears to have come directly from National/Act’s vote share; can’t really be sorry about that part of the result.
    I’m sure a few Aucklanders might have been sorry that Russ isn’t gonna move back any time soon – but we’ll be glad to keep him, enhanced public profile’n’all, down in Wellington.

    The past week has been a beautiful exercise of our two youthful co-leaders in action, and a fore-taste of what the campaign teams will have to plan for in 2011 for the next General Election … bring it on!

    Congrat’s to David Shearer’s team, it was a red-badged electorate for two decades; it’ll be hard for him to put his own personal stamp on the locality, but I’m sure the local electorate branch will be as supportive after the election as they have been during it.
    Once the win sinks in, the challenge is to get to work on the mundanities of ‘what the people want’, as evidenced in weekly clinic attendance, of which Morningside/Kingsland/Mt Eden/Mt Albert locals are proficient.
    A change of pace from UN missions, but probably a welcome one for this new MP.

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  49. So most of the electorate couldn’t be bothered showing up, which is hardly surprising. When asked to choose between differing shades of grey, Mt Albert went to the pub instead…..

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  50. BP, you should change that to “so most of the [National leaning part of] the electorate couldn’t be bothered showing up, which is hardly surprising [as they couldn't bear the thought of voting for such a numpty like Lee].”

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  51. Lee was hopeless. Clearly the joke card, and difficult to see her ever recovering.

    Still bet Norman.

    Ouch.

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  52. “(who has played two of my favourite witches of all time)”

    Katie, she wasn’t a witch she was an elf queen! :)

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  53. Lee was hopeless. Clearly the joke card, and difficult to see her ever recovering.

    Still bet Norman.

    I thought Norman would do better, but who else were National party voters going to vote for?

    Might pay to compare the past few elections, but hopefully someone less lazy than me will beat me to it.

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  54. Jonathon Coleman on Q&A – Good God! What a tool!

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  55. With regard immigration, no. Over Mt Albert, his arrogance was flaring like a baboon’s blue bum. His attempts to cover Key’s absence on election night and abandonment of his hand-picked candidate was as smarmy as it comes.

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  56. Ah. Yeah well you expect someone to defend their party’s result, so I don’t really care. On the stuff that mattered in the interview – immigration – he seems pretty sound.

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  57. StephenR – I like to try to ‘read the person’ with politicians, as I link the ideas they hold to their personalities. My reaction to Coleman (I’d not taken note of him before) came from the gut – and it began to churn. I feel the same way about Key. And Joyce. And Collins. On the other hand, I don’t get that reaction with Cunnliffe or Parker of Goff, yet I’m not a Labour supporter. Curious.

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  58. Didn’t say I wanted to have his babies Shunda, just that I don’t have a visceral reaction to his voice and visage, like I do with Key et al.
    Why do you scoff at Goff?

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  59. So let me get this straight, you don’t like some politicians cause they give you a bad vibe? you sense something evil about their spirit?
    You are sounding more like a pentecostal christian every day!! :)

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  60. Shunda – when you hear yourself saying,
    “Now let me get this straight”
    a small but insistant alarm bell should begin to ring in your head.
    Your “getting things straight” seems to produce thinking that is as linear as the scar on Harry Potter’s forehead!

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  61. Fly

    I agree that Coleman did come across as a little arrogant however Coleman is nowhere near as arrogant as Red Russ.
    Comrade Norman is the height of arrogance (and hypocrisy) and that is why the voters of Mt Albert did not support him, I guess the people of that electorate dislike the idea of being forced onto smelly, unreliable and unsafe public transport as much as the rest of NZ.

    Somehow I suspect you refuse to admit it.

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  62. “Shunda – when you hear yourself saying,
    “Now let me get this straight”
    a small but insistant alarm bell should begin to ring in your head.”

    Oh stop being a silly billy!! :mrgreen:

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  63. Big Bro – Coleman is to ‘a little arrogant’ as Boscawen is to ‘a little clenched’, but let’s not call him Boscawen, let’s adopt your modus operandi and give him a demeaning title…will “Ramrod Boscawen” do? It hasn’t the spitefulness that you convey with your ‘Mad Cath” or “Comrad Keith” and now “Red Russ”, but give me time. I’ll come up with something.

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  64. i quite like ‘bellowing boscowan’..

    ..it’s nowhere near as nasty as ‘mad cath’..

    ..and kinda true..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  65. Nothing spiteful about the titles I have given to those Green MP’s Fly, they are all a statement of fact.

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  66. i’ll give odds of three to one coleman was a prefect..

    ..he has a way of looking at people..

    ..that just screams..’i think you are an insignificant piece of sh*t..

    ..and i am going to send you to the headmaster..’

    ..he needs media training..at the very least..

    ..so he can at least pretend..

    ..he cares the person he’s talking to will continue to breath..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  67. Big Bro – Roger ‘Pig Torturer’ Douglas should sit ok with you then?

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  68. ‘honest john’ key has somewhat of a hollow ring now..

    wot with all those (now broken) hollow pre-election promises..

    ..y’know..bro..

    ..i think a lot of those swing voters who voted for ‘honest john’

    ..on the strength of those (now broken) pre-election promises..

    (..tax cuts?/’closing the wage gap with australia’..?..anyone..?..)

    ..they are just waking up to the fact that he/key well and truly conned them..

    ..maybe ‘dishonest john’ would be more accurate/’statement of fact’..?

    ..eh..?

    ..bro..?

    ..big bro..?..

    phil)whoar.co.nz)

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  69. “..i think a lot of those swing voters who voted for ‘honest john’

    ..on the strength of those (now broken) pre-election promises..

    (..tax cuts?/’closing the wage gap with australia’..?..anyone..?..)

    ..they are just waking up to the fact that he/key well and truly conned them..”

    No phil, I think you will find people are still pretty disgusted over liarbore’s scortched earth policy they implemented in the lead up to the last election.
    “If we can’t have it nobody can”

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  70. Shunda barunda Says:
    June 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    > No phil, I think you will find people are still pretty disgusted over liarbore’s scortched earth policy they implemented in the lead up to the last election.

    I’d like to know more about this claim – I’m not sure what it’s referring to

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  71. it’s a line shunda caught over at kiwiblog..

    (that’s where shunda really vents on the greens..whoar..!..)

    don’t embarass him/her by asking them to actually explain it..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  72. “it’s a line shunda caught over at kiwiblog..

    (that’s where shunda really vents on the greens..whoar..!..)”

    What rubbish, I’m not exactly well liked on this blog phil.
    Labore went on a lovely spending spree before the election, and managed to hide a nice wee billion dollar balls up with ACC to boot.

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  73. And what has caused you to get all snuggly with the greens phil? you wern’t that happy before the election.

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  74. shunda..i may rail at them for their carnivorous ways..

    ..but when it comes to voting time..

    ..t.i.n.a…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  75. ..t.i.n.a.. This Is Not an Acronym

    Fangs very much for supporting us carnivores Phil!

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  76. “..but when it comes to voting time..

    ..t.i.n.a…”

    What, you go to a strip club insted of voting?
    Dirty bugger!!! :)

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  77. # BluePeter Says:
    June 13th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    > So most of the electorate couldn’t be bothered showing up, which is hardly surprising. When asked to choose between differing shades of grey, Mt Albert went to the pub instead…..

    yep, and the Green Party was the only party whose candidate vote actually went up (in the sense of actually getting votes from more people, not just a larger proportion of the small number of people who voted)

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  78. # Shunda barunda Says:
    June 14th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    > Labore went on a lovely spending spree before the election,

    mostly they just promised to spend money on lots of things after the election (eg. new roads, Kiwisaver subsidies). When National got in, they could have reversed these spending commitments, but in most cases they decided not to.

    > and managed to hide a nice wee billion dollar balls up with ACC to boot.

    ACC lost money because it had money invested in shares overseas. every private insurance company lost money at the end of last year for the same reason.

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  79. Kakikatea,the train set is now valued at a measly 340 million, and the ausies are still laughing at us, I swear I heard them on a still day last week.
    Cullen thought it was a great joke, labour are a disgrace.

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  80. Shunda…. please let me know what the alternative was to buying back the trains? Paying Toll millions and millions a year in subsidies?

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  81. jarbury,

    Simple, Cullen should have offered a token $1 and said take it or leave it. Toll would have had no alternative but to close down the run down operation.

    Remembering that the agreement with Toll was to allow COMPETITION on the state owned rail system if volumes dropped below a certain percentage.

    At that stage the state should have simply opened up the rail system to any private train operator (and there were any number ready to do that).

    That way we would have real competition on the state owned steel roads.

    Just like the tarsealed roads.

    But no, Cullen got soft and sold the rail system for a huge, over the top amount. Paid much more then the the value.

    A huge mistake.

    Thank goodness I’m a Toll shareholder. Kept those dividends flowing.

    So no, the alternative was not to pay Toll subsidies, the REAL workable and BEST alternative was to open up the steel roads to private operators, willing top pay for the use of the state owned steel roads, using thier own train sets.

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  82. Not sure I agree entirely.

    I have no insight into the number of and viability of the potential private train operators here in NZ. I know of no private train operators making a $ on passenger traffic. Some succeed with freight. I would expect scheduling difficulty with the amount of single tracking as well. Maybe it would work. A state run rail system can also work and does in many places.

    OTOH, it is pretty clear that Cullen bought high after whoever sold it sold low. Reminds me of how someone in GB unloaded tons of gold reserves at the lowest price seen since Nixon took the US off the gold standard.

    My old Austrian Aunt had a saying “Too clever is dumb” . The arguments for state vs private ownership haven’t changed much in the past century. On the evidence both are capable of working and both are capable of failing.

    The one thing that is incapable of working no matter how clever we are, is thrashing the system by alternately selling and buying based on the outcome of the last election. (That’s thrashing in the computer science sense of the word – simply – A processor that switches between tasks so often that it spends more time switching than performing tasks).

    At this point it needs to be kept and kept running. I get to subsidize the bits that annoy me as well as the bits I like. I accept that. The route could be straightened out a bit and the trains sped up, but it is NOT reasonable to sell it off again.

    respectfully
    BJ

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  83. BJ,

    Shining light on how tprivate transport opertors can do it for themselves is the Bluebridge operation across Cook Straight.

    They have their second RORO ship, both ships are larger then the existing state rail ferries.

    Single track is no problem, just requires better signallig and computer control to allow trains to run closer together. Requires signalling stations every 2 to 5 kilometres.

    Underthe current RMA you would be having a huge legal fight to straighten the rail tracks by any great degree. For a starter there should be a an easement over/under transmission gully for road and rail.

    Any time soon? Nah.

    Trains can go faster on the existing alignmet but it needs upgraded track, ties, fastenings, road bed and longer (narrow angled) high speed turnouts PLUS rolling stock and locomotives to handle the higher speed.

    Not to mention upgraded signalling systems. Couple of extra passing loops and you have a modern train system.

    Subsidies only keep the status quo, You wont get upgrades required to improve the facilities.

    Noticed that for the new passenger lines in Sydney the state train operators use privately owned trainsets that they lease.

    Saves an investment cost of 2 to 3 billion dollars. That is repaid over the lifspan of the trainsets and paid for by fares (hopefully).

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