Alan Wood Reserve is zoned Special Purposes to the northeast of Oakley Creek and Open Space to the southwest.

If it had been designated as a reserve then NZTA would have had real trouble ramming the motorway through it. I think that’s a large reason why we have ended up with the motorway being put under Avondale Heights and Great North Road, rather than through Phylis Street Reserve.

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Don,

<quote. It is 1950s dinosaur thinking to hammer a motorway through the heart of a residential area

“Actually, it is 1960’s De Leuw Cather (Chicago, Ill) thinking.”

Um, actually it was 1946 MoW and Labour Government thinking to co-locate State Houses and motorways. The 1946 regional planning was the first to advocate for all these state housing subdivisions located alongside new transport corridors.

Alan Wood Reserve exists because when the Housing Dept finished building the state houses with road frontage it was decided not to build on the rear properties accessible through the five rights of way off Hendon Ave. That was to allow room for the motorway adjacent to the railway line. In 1981 the council bought the land from Housing Corp and leased the railway thus creating a temporary reserve. For that reason the reserve has never been declared as such under the Reserves Act, is zoned residential instead of recreational, and has a works designation assigned to NZR (not ARTA).

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Most of the houses on the Alan Wood Reserve side of Hendon Ave are state houses I think.

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>>and I’m concerned that you are arguing without ever having walked Cuba St,

Wellington born and bred.

Cuba St would be an alternative, if neither by-pass or motorway had been built. Remember it in the 70s? Cuba Mall was two lane. It routed up through Cuba St.

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“As to your question about the number of state houses in the proposed path of the bulldozer, it seems neither of us knows. Is it worth pursuing?”

Is it when the answer is on one map. You will see that the State Housing suburbs in the area all adjacent to the motoway route but not actually on it.
http://www.itsmybackyard.co.nz/areaplans/docs/heritagesettlement.pdf

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BP, with respect to your Cuba St musings:
you give the impression of one who has trouble reading maps – once said to be a peculiarly feminine trait – and I’m concerned that you are arguing without ever having walked Cuba St, as I, and I suspect Kahikatea, have.

Cuba St runs south from the waterfront, beginning right in front of the MFC and Old Town Hall.

The motorway and the by-pass, or ‘Wellington urban motorway extension’ as Transit preferred to call it, both run transverse to Cuba St – east to west, or reverse depending on your direction of travel – in neither case is Cuba St an alternate travel route to traverse Te Aro flat towards the Eastern suburbs and the airport, the general reason why most people are crossing that area.

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Because there’s been bugger all investment in oil supplies in the last 6-9 months when the world’s economy does (eventually) recover oil prices are going to skyrocket.

…. which will probably lead to another recession.

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>>no. The by-pass carries traffic across Cuba St, not traffic that would otherwise be going along it.

But if the motorway wasn’t there, then traffic would be using all the smaller interior streets.

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Norway, the world’s fourth biggest crude exporter, said Monday that its oil production fell a sizeable 7% in April to 1.99 million barrels a day last month from 2.15 million barrels a day in March.
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Another Norwegian export that’s declined (AP)

Though preliminary, the data highlight one of the big underlying supply problems in non-OPEC states that many oil analysts believe is likely to send crude prices back over the $100 a barrel mark in coming years. Oil closed Friday at $58.63, its highest settle since mid-November. It is trading around $57.75 a barrel this morning.

The Norwegian situation is being replicated in other non-OPEC oil producers, such as Mexico and the U.K. These regions are mature and giving up less oil, meaning that keeping production flat is getting harder and harder.

If analysts are right, this underlying supply struggle will keep oil prices relatively strong in coming years. And that’s a boon for renewable energy developers. Not just are they set to receive an enormous infusion of cash, low-interest loans and other support out of capitals f
http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2009/05/11/oil-prices-norwegian-supply-falls-is-100-oil-far-away/

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# BluePeter Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

>>the fact that it goes on those streets has absolutely nothing to do with the motorway.

> That’s where the motorway ends and the by-pass begins.

no. The by-pass carries traffic across Cuba St, not traffic that would otherwise be going along it.

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Oh and I’m not opposing private property rights. NZTA should now start offering to buy properties on the route, offer money for a range of alternatives and then proceed with the one that it can get the land for.

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>>the fact that it goes on those streets has absolutely nothing to do with the motorway.

That’s where the motorway ends and the by-pass begins.

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shunda said: I’ve sucked a world record lemon
You often come across as a sucker shunda
Don’t give up on idiot. And don’t despair over Nationals idiotic plans to turn the country into motorway – the good people of Mt Albert are stirring!

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# BluePeter Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

> Cuba St in Wellington is very pleasant and bohemian, and that is only possible because a motorway routes traffic around it. Had the motorway not been built in the 70s, Cuba St would be permanently gridlocked with cars and trucks.

the traffic that goes parallel to Cuba st doesn’t go on the motorway. It goes on Victoria St and Taranaki St, and the fact that it goes on those streets has absolutely nothing to do with the motorway. Nearly all of the motorway traffic goes across Cuba st, at traffic lights.

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>>cut to the chase

Chatting with you is mostly pointless.

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Forget sailing Shunda, just buzz to work like the demented utopian greenfly.

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“No Right Turn” sucks greenfly, when I read it, it makes me look like I’ve sucked a world record lemon.
And forget about roads.
National should build a canal so everyone can sail to work.

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Brilliantly supportive piece on Campbell Live, Russel. Did you direct that one?

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Blue – stop your quibbling over semantics – cut to the chase

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>>Blue – ‘fun’ would be a point, but you say ‘pointless’.

Mostly pointless.

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