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Published in Environment & Resource Management by frog on Tue, May 12th, 2009
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General Debate, May 12, 2009
Published: May 12, 2009
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Great to see the work being done by Toad and Jarbury on ‘another blog’ to expose the evil machinations of the SST and their hideous puppet. Our reps are really going for the garotiod artery.
(cue Big Bro with his flatulence gland all puckered and ready to paaarp! )
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Who will be buzzin’ about yellin “Thar she Blows!” anytime now.
Must take a note down to the Local Blue Barracks (that other Gang) and tell them I’d rather be shot dead than Tasered if it’s all the same to those Little John Wayne types they got runnin around.
How they gonna tell which person is likely to die or suffer endlessly from assault by such weapons.
Seen what happens when you pepper spray an asthmatic?
Consider you’ve got a stirred up little Kiwi, Brass Buttons an all, Sheltered and Huffy on the Trigger – you might get shot for speaking a foreign language in this town…why do we keep thinking as America, when it is so obviously sinking?
Our Police have access to plenty of guns at will.
If there isn’t time to grab a barrel, there probably isn’t time for the use of a Taser either….the streets (and our own homes) gonna be a lot more dangerous now, from all parties.
Thanks for thinking it through Mr Key – so dumb and insular.
You think they won’t be used as a form of cruel and unusual Punishment?
A further ‘unofficial’ torture.
And for every abuse of same, the Police will lose hundreds of supporters.
That ‘Cause and Effect’ stuff just isn’t scientific enough for us hey?
We just had a topic about Violence against women – maybe you could do to think about Institutional Violence against men too.
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Mark – Key’s smarmy announcement of the ‘acceleration of the roll out of tazers’ reeks of opportunism and has more than a whiff of the Garrett about it.
Big ‘ups’ to Russel for the beautifully timed question to Melissa Lee – though the TV news didn’t credit you with it Russel, we recognised your voice in the clip! That’s smart playing, that is!
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Well Mark seeing as you are complaining the ususal without any prospective answers, pray tell how are the police supposed to behave?
Any models you have in mind?
Any indication of what sort of society you would like and how a more “placid” police force fits into your model?
In your perfect world we wont need any police, I know.
But this is a far from perfect world so we have police and thank goodness for that.
Am quite happy for police to be fully armed and include in that the Army LAV. Those 105 wagons of destruction should be distributed around every police district. Any gang causing grief, just drive an LAV through the gate and sort them out.
Now I know why the Labour government bought so many. They will be painted blue and issued around the country. About time too.
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Thanks greenfly. I remember a few months back there were some rumours on The Standard that Geo Group (I think?) may have been the secret funder of SST.
SST have specifically avoided classifying themselves as a chartible trust, even though it would be enormously advantageous from a tax perspective. However, by classifying themselves as a charitable trust they would open themselves up to people being able to find out who donates to them. Clearly they have something to hide.
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Mark seems to have missed the point (or more correctly, does not care) that one of our bravest lost his life while carrying out a search warrant on another useless stoner and long term dole bludger.
If the events of last week prove anything it is that Tazers alone are not enough, our police should be armed with both guns and Tazers.
I know this will horrify the criminal loving Green party but the vast majority of the population (93.28%) thankfully do not agree with them (the Greens), the public want to be safe and they want their police to be able to do their job with what ever tools they need.
People like Mark seem to think that it is more important that we keep long term dole bluding drug dealers alive than keeping our Police safe.
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The time for hippy-talk is over. You can’t confront gun wielding scumbags with a cup of tea.
Give the Police the same gear they have in Europe. Automatics and heavy armour. First gang house that gives you trouble, drive a tank through it.
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Outside of pontificating, what about a complete ban on Military Style Semi-Automatics?
There seems to be no real justification for them. Apart from ideological reasons (“I should be allowed to do what I want without the government interfering”) the only rationale I’ve heard is that they are useful for deer hunting from helicopters. Given the downsides of having military-style rifles floating around out there, is a small advantage for a very few hunters a good enough reason to tolerate them?
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So the Greens get hammered for wanting to ban stuff all the time, and now hammered for not jumping on the “ban” bandwagon.
Geez…… you guys are tough.
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Sam,
No problems from me regarding the ban on semi automatic weapons.
What I find incredible thought is that (if thereports are correct)that Jan Molenaar was on thedole for twenty years.
So for twenty years FOUR tax payers had to get up every morning and go to workto keep this guy on the dole.
Shame on National and Labour governments that allowed a benificiary on the dole for so long. A benficiary fit enough to be a body builder on steroids but not fit enough to work.
Shame on the welfare system.
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So for twenty years FOUR tax payers had to get up every morning and go to workto keep this guy on the dole.
Gerrit – both you and the FOUR will be delighted that they will be able to stay in bed now.
Shame on the welfare system. Yes, clearly a system with the aim that we should all ‘fare well’ is shameful.
Jarbury’s observation that the finger-pointers here are usually berating the Greens for their so called propensity to BAN EVERYTHING is telling. I hear a lot of ‘BAN IT’ calls coming from the so-called freedom lovers. BAN truants, BAN boy racers, BAN healthy food in schools, BAN the voices of Aucklanders, BAN gand patches. Righties – is that what you voted for???
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(note gand patches are used to repair damaged gands)
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A girl in my home town was recently done for importing class A drugs from the UK. Get this.
She got a $750.00 fine and 150 hours comunity service!!
I currently owe the IRD more than $2,500.00 in “fines” for being a week late with paye (amount $46.50) last year and a day late with a GST return, which at the time I couldn’t pay because some rich pr%@k didn’t pay his bill, and I had no cash flow. The paye was late cause my wife had just had a baby.
Because I was let off a similar grevious offence a few years ago(I still payed what I owed), I have no mercy this time.
Don’t tell me we have a “justice” system in NZ, I would be better off importing drugs than slaving my guts out for my 30k(before tax) a year.
This woman got off cause daddy was rich, the cost to the tax payer would have been well in excess of the $750.00 fine.
I have no confidence in the “justice” system, at least if the cops can taser these little twerps they will learn a lesson even if some soft judge lets them off.
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Pretty stupid statement greenfly,
The taxes paid by those four people PLUS the taxes Jan Molenaar would have paid would have paid for how many desperately needed hospital operations, fed and housed really needy beneficiaries?
It s a shame on the welfare system that allowed this situation to continue for so long.
Shame for all those really desperate folk whwouldhave been a better recipient of tat tax payers money.
It is fast coming to the point greenfly, that like philu’s comments, yours dont add much to any debate.
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Your dead right Gerrit. I know a bloke who lives with my wife’s friend who is 30′ish, has a great physic but is on the dole (he needs to be wired to a 230V socket and given a jump start or something). No matter what we hear from officialdom (I/ people) suspect that the govt glosses over reality. From the Green Party point of view (which uses “green” to gain ground ) there is the issue of people having children and factoring in lavish* welfare payments. This is why (to me) the “red greens” are an oxymoron. I’m all for welfare but I want to see it managed well and “greenly”
*lavish given the number of people who are using
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Shame on the welfare system.
Yours was a sweeping statement without qualification Gerrit and deserved a response. Do you propose the abandonment of ‘the welfare system’ or an improvement to it?
You may be feel that PhilU’s comments ‘don’t add much to the debate’ but I feel differently. As to ‘pretty stupid statement’ Snap!
(btw ‘FOUR taxpayers’ was a jibe -apologies for the confusion).
Now seriously – you would like to see blue LAV’s on the streets???
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Shunda barunda Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:14 am
A girl in my home town was recently done for importing class A drugs from the UK. Get this.
She got a $750.00 fine and 150 hours comunity service!!
I currently owe the IRD more than $2,500.00 in “fines” for being a week late with paye (amount $46.50)
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A bus driver forgets to bring his last logbook (showing) the last week and gets a $2000 fine; goes to the bus wash where a boy racer jokes about his fines (they turn up to PD when it rains so they will be marked present and sent home while getting $100/hr wiped off?) goes home to his house where a neighbour practices drums….lala land.
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Red greens have a paradigm that sees society’s badly behaved as victims. Of course there is some truth in that but it involves the fallacy of composition. Shaun Tan saw the light as he identified with the hard working Asians who are seen as a cash cow by the local [no hopers/ victims of the capitalist system].
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I was reading an article innorth and South about the NZ prison system. Music booming from a cell ;people throwing darts… to relieve the boredom in a maximum security prison. 86% end up back inside. The problem is that these people have rights that mean they can’t be sufficiently controlled due to the “rights” we presume them to have. In tough japanese prisons they march, sit up straight, don’t do this , don’t do that… and most importantly stay in much shorter and don’t come back.
PS. there is no prisoner on prisoner violence.
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The problem is that these people can’t be sufficiently controlled due to the “rights” we presume them to have.
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People that are contributing most to society are asked to do more, while those that are sucking the life out of it are told to stand tall and fight for your “rights”.
I would love to do community service to wipe my ird “fines” but I don’t have that option, even though I have payed the outstanding PAYE, the fines remain. While I accept it is important for large business to pay on time, I have a tiny business with myself and 1 part timer, this crap seriously affects my ability to get ahead. Yes I was unorganised, but is the equilalent of multiple speeding tickets really fair?
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equilalent = equivalent
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Shunda Barunda – I run a small business in New York City,
I know what it is like to deal with the government of course I have to deal with the New York City Government, the New York State Government and the US Federal Government.
Good luck in my experience it is impossible to reason with a government they always want their pound of flesh and they always get it.
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Christine Rankin to head the Families Commission. Jesus wept.
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So what about the crisis of terrorism in Sri Lanka then?
There we have the EU, USA and UK all telling the Sri Lankan government to hold talks with a terrorist group that has been terrorising the country for 30 years, and not to throw “heavy” weapons at them. At the same time there’s this other lot, the EU, USA and UK, all throwing ‘light’ (?) weapons – like stealth bombers, scud missiles and used up Bushes at the newest terrorist group in the world (the Taliban) and refusing to even send them food (like Sri Lanka did for the Tamil Tigers,) never mind hold peace talks.
So. Which lot do YOU think are right; the EU, USA and UK or the EU, USA and UK?
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So Big Bro – Rankin sounds like your kinda gal. Think she’ll give New Zealand families a fair deal?
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“So Big Bro – Rankin sounds like your kinda gal. Think she’ll give New Zealand families a fair deal?”
Well she didn’t believe in smacking her kids so she’d be right up greenfly (valis) alley.
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What is the point of a Families Commission?
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Bradford: “She is surprised at the appointment, given Ms Rankin’s high profile opposition to her anti-smacking law.”
Oh, so someone who supported s59 would be just fine, then?
If we’re to have these pointless commissions, at least make them representative. If Rankin was opposed to s59, then at least we’ve now got an appointment that reflects most kiwis views on the matter.
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“What is the point of a Families Commission?”
Until now it was just another exclusive socialist club wasting money.
Now it should provide a useful advocacy service to help strenghten the most important aspect of human society.
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Rankin didn’t smack her own kids, she just thinks parents should be free to raise their kids without intervention from the state.
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BluePeter – there is a great imbalance between the two ‘cases’ you cite:
someone who supported s59
someone with high profile opposition to the anti-smacking law
No wonder Sue is surprised. I imagine that she is, in fact, appalled!
Shunda – if Rankin was up my alley, I’d be guarding my loins. She’s a shrew (in my view – and I’ve had occasion to speak with her and watch her address a crown – you know the sound of fingernails on a blackboard?)
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a crowd
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substitute ‘slaves’..for ‘kids’..and you have an historical excuse for abberations..
and gerritt..
“..that like philu’s comments, yours dont add much to any debate..”
aww..!!
(was it something i said..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Let me get this right, the Greens attack Rankin yet defend the likes of Bradford and Delahunty.
Have a think about that and then consider why the Greens only mustered 6.72% at the last election.
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“No wonder Sue is surprised. I imagine that she is, in fact, appalled!”
No no, lets be really honest, Sue has gone into an uncontrollable rage and destroyed her office , Sue has history with Rankin and it aint good!!
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shunda – it would seem for anyone who has had ‘history’ with Rankin, ‘it aint good’.
Big Bro – I don’t know that the Greens are attacking Rankin – I am, because she’s so wrong for any position that involves children or families. She’d be better deployed as Quality Controller in a lemon-juice factory.
That 6.72% you so keenly trumpet leaves Acts score well and truely in the shade, don’t you agree??
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Greenfly
No, the welfare system stays BUT it needs an overhaul if somebody can be on it for an alleged twenty years while fit and healthy enough to do bodybuilding and take steroids. That is why it is a shame on the system.
And a shame for the people who do need welfare short term to tide them over till they get back on their feet.
And on que philu pops up, a perfect example of why the welfare system needs to be overhauled.
And no, I dont have any problems at all with blue LAV’s.
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Greenfly
In what I fear will be a vain attempt to debate an issue with you I am going to ask you why you said this…
“because she’s so wrong for any position that involves children or families”
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>>That 6.72% you so keenly trumpet leaves Acts score well and truely in the shade, don’t you agree??
No. ACT got an electorate seat.
Remind me how many electorates the Greens have ever won?
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>>No wonder Sue is surprised. I imagine that she is, in fact, appalled!
Which leads me to believe that Rankin must be the right person for the job.
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Big Bro – don’t be fearful. I’ll try to make sense and not flip around..flippantly.
Rankin lacks any outward sign of ‘the milk of human kindness’ something I think would be a prerequisite for the role she has, perverely’ benn given. With regard her ‘family history’ – does her appetite for husbands not give you pause for thought?
BluePeter – Act got an electorate seat? Go figure! With such a low score nationwide (and I was talking scores, Blue).
Believing that Rankin is the right person for the job puts you offside even with the most avid right-winger, Blue. I hear a resounding cacophany of opposition from all but the seriously twisted.
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gerritt said:..
“..And on que philu pops up,.”
i have never taken ‘que’ in my life..
think ‘que’ is as bad as ‘p’..
so i seriously object to being accused of being a que-user..
(..a ‘quaddict’..if you will..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Greenfly
It is as I suspected, you have no real evidence that Rankin is the wrong person for the role at all, you have a dislike for her that seems to be somewhat irrational.
The number of husbands she has had has nothing to do with her suitability for the role, are you suggesting that she should have stayed in an unhappy or possibly violent relationship just because it looks better in the eyes of the public?
Rankin is more aligned with the thoughts of Kiwi’s than other people who have stuck their noses into our homes, she certainly has more in common with mainstream NZ than Sue Bradford.
What you don’t like (I suspect) is that Rankin does not believe in being PC, if she sees a problem she will speak out against it, what a pity we do not have more people like her.
So I will ask you again, apart from your irrational dislike of her (is she a bit too feminine for you?) what evidence do you have to suggest she is the wrong person for the role?
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>>Believing that Rankin is the right person for the job
Where’s the evidence she isn’t? She ran a high profile department, is good with the media, and she is against s59.
What’s not to like?
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She will be one of 7 commissioners. So it is not exactly a media spokesperson role, the CEO does that.
Having been through 3 failed marriages she will be their go to person on step-parenting and solo motherhood (where she give advice on snapping up widowers to other women). Which is no doubt why Families First and presumably Destiny Church are so pleased for her.
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Goodness me!, I note that Sue B just cannot help telling bare faced lies when it comes to Rankin.
Bradford claims that Rankin advocates “beating” children, this is nothing short of slander, mind you, we all know how the truth and Sue B are strangers.
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Sue’s release says something quite different:
Ms Rankin was an outspoken defender of the old law which allowed some parents to beat their children and hide behind the legal definition of ‘reasonable force’, Ms Bradford said.
Wouldn’t want to accuse you of lying, big bro, so how about a reference for that claim?
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Bro – you’ve thrown me a curved ball – how to find evidence that I think Rankin is unsuitable for the position she has gained. Hmmmm… I’m sure that I don’t want her in that role, but to prove it… it’s tough!
I am bouyed up though, Big Bro, by your very rational views on Sue Bradford and Catherine Delahunty. Following your lead, I’m feeling more and more that I’m on the button with Rankin, that it’s just a matter of slagging her off constantly and this will show that I am right about her.
SPC certainly raises some thoughtful points.
BluePeter’s 3 points She ran a high profile department, is good with the media, and she is against s59.
had me thinking he was supporting my case, until I realised he was fomenting happy mischief! What a card!
Rankin does, or doesn’t want to legalise spanking, Big Bro?
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Valis, I heard Rankin’s opinion on this issue and it had nothing to do with Bradford’s clap trap.
Some parents?
What was it, 7 cases in 20years or something?
And all those kids survived.
How many kids are dead since the Bradford ideological assault was passed?
People that push this crap don’t give a rats razoo about child abuse.
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shunda – doubtless you are a regular idiot/savant reader?
http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2009/05/ghost-of-90s.html
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“child beaters”
Where is the critical thinking on the smacking issue.
You might start by considering the best scientific method as in the “ground breaking” Otago Interdisciplinary Health and Development Study
“the lead author of the physical punishment part of the Dunedin study, psychologist Jane Millichamp, said the project appeared to be the first long-term study in the world to separate out those who had merely been smacked with an open hand.
Preliminary analysis showed that those who were merely smacked had “similar or even slightly better outcomes” than those who were not smacked in terms of aggression, substance abuse, adult convictions and school achievement.
“Study members in the ‘smacking only’ category of punishment appeared to be particularly high-functioning and achieving members of society,” she said.
“I have looked at just about every study I can lay my hands on, and there are thousands, and I have not found any evidence that an occasional mild smack with an open hand on the clothed behind or the leg or hand is harmful or instils violence in kids,” she said.
“I know that is not a popular thing to say, but it is certainly the case.
“The more honest researchers have said, let’s be honest, we all wish we could say it’s all very clear and that no parent should ever lift a finger on a child – although I think that is totally unrealistic as a single parent myself – but the big problem is that a lot of the studies have lumped a whole lot of forms of physical punishment together.”
Dr Millichamp said the Dunedin study so far found no evidence of the “slippery slope” theory – that parents who started off smacking often progressed to abusive punishments.
“We couldn’t find any,” she said.
The findings undermine Green MP Sue Bradford’s bill to repeal section 59 of the Crimes Act, which allows parents to use “reasonable force” to discipline children.
Dr Millichamp said there was no doubt that abusive punishments had long-lasting negative consequences, but the research did not support banning mild smacks.
“It’s unethical to make out that there is a lot of evidence that mild smacking is harmful,” she said.
She and colleague Judy Martin have made a written submission to Parliament suggesting that section 59 should be retained but amended to allow smacking with an open hand, but not hitting with a closed fist or certain objects.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10404809
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I think the future lies in argument mapping as a basic guide to every issue.
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Section59 repeal repeal cuts the feet under Sue Bradford and her supporters , therefore it needs to be resisted at all costs.
:downthedunny:
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Greenfly do you think we should listen to this:
“National will no doubt argue that it has kept to the letter of the agreement – the commission will continue in its role; it will just change from being a neutral advocate of all New Zealand families in their many forms to being a government-sponsored voice for the hardline Family First / Destiny Church married-heterosexual-breeder-childbeater view”
NICE
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Rankins comments alerted Aotearoa to the fact that Sue Bradford refered to men who smack as “perverts”
“”Personally,” Ms Bradford said, “I have no problem with sadomasochism carried out between consenting adults using safe sex practices – what I do have a problem with is a legacy of hidden sexual violence practised on children and young people under a mantle of so-called discipline. Section 59 of the Crimes Act has been protecting the perpetrators of a vicious mix of sexual and physical abuse for generations.”
http://www.hbtoday.co.nz/localnews/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3705066&thesection=localnews&thesubsection=&thesecondsubsection
as Gareth morgan asked “Since when was Sue Bradford a green?”….since she found the red ship was holed.
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if you join the green party your gonna have to like KL, SB, CD, KH hardly a broad based party and if you think outside the narrow confines you’ll be very lonely. Hopefully there are green buds amongst the big weeds. If there are green buds I suggest they examine argument mapping out in wider confines than the (present infected) green party.
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shunda – you should have idiot/savant on your ‘read-every-day’ list, yes.
He’s sharp.
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Valis, I heard Rankin’s opinion on this issue and it had nothing to do with Bradford’s clap trap.
I don’t know exactly what Rankin said, but its not relevant to my post. big bro made a claim about what Sue said which I think is false. Since he doesn’t like being called a liar, I thought I’d give him a chance to substantiate himself before doing so. I don’t expect to hear back.
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Personally I don’t care what Rankin wears, or whether her mammary glands are showing. I don’t care if she is outspoken, offensive or abrasive to those in authority, and I don’t even care about her stand on s.59, though I don’t agree with it.
My objection to Rankin is the way she wasted tax payers money with highly paid junkets for the elite, during the last recession, and her obsession with image, that required power dressing among front line WINZ staff, even if it meant they had to burn extra fossil fuels instead of putting on a jumper.
I had an arrogant bully as manager in the public service who thought we were all put on this planet to please her, and Rankin’s obsession with image sounds like a similar power trip.
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>>Having been through 3 failed marriages she will be their go to person on step-parenting and solo motherhood (where she give advice on snapping up widowers to other women).
Nice.
Should we bring up the personal family history of a certain Green MP, too?
Or would that be highly inappropriate?
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I would be REALLY curious to see that bill. Anyone got it?
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But BP, having that many children is green! This way she can train them to become mass murderers and, what do you know, for each child anoter 20 get killed, ultimatly saving the planet one indoctrinated offspring at a time.
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Interesting
This thread can discuss mammary glands, legs, skirt lengths, Chief Executive spending histories and smacking (which has been the subject of MANY other threads,) but no one has an opinion on a few tens of thousands of people being used as human shield cannon fodder.
amaze me It genuinely does indeed.
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Strings,
People die; When it is people I dont know, and oft-times even then, I like to encourage it. That and im not exactly sure to which cannon fodder you are refering.
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strings – where are our priorities!! Indeed. I think we are guilty of flippancy and indulgence in fripparies in this thread. Probably just enjoying ourselves at no one’s expense.
I’d like to have a go at the question you posed:
So. Which lot do YOU think are right
I didn’t think much of any of them, so I choose “Might” as the one most likely to be right. Or at least in this case. (To be viewed against a background composed of a huge banner reading ‘Hypocrisy”)
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flippancy and indulgence in fripparies ? My goodness old flutterer, you’ll be pointing to flim flam and fubberdubbery next
I have a somewhat vested interest in the subject, given that my wife is Sri Lankan. However, I do believe that the USA and UK sending politicians to Sri Lanka to tell the President to stop trying to root-out terrorists and instead sit down with them and have a nice talk in order to save the lives of innocents is a bit thick.
The LTTE (Tamil Tigers) have used more suicide bombers than ALL of the middle-east’s factions put together, yet they seem to be given free-rein to do as they like because there’s no ‘high value mineral resources’ in Sri Lanka. I suppose it’s good to have someone to tell to behave nicely while you “regrettably” bomb a few hundred civilians – again, I just wish they would keep their fingers out of something that is a purely domestic situation. (Not withstanding the tens of thousands of paid-up members of the LTTE living and voting in Britain, France, the USA and Canada.
Sapient
And there was me thinking you cared about people, occasionally!
The canon fodder are the circa 50,000 Tamil villagers being held at gunpoint by the LTTE and shot if they try to get away from being a human shield. (Yes the second T in LTTE is for Tamil).
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Strings,
Yes, I thought that was the most likely cannon fodder.
Im not terribly concerned about it all to be honest; the tigers follow a religious icon of a leader in a fight for autonomy for their ethnicity, the state fights for power over that ethnicity and, supposedly, to protect the citizens.
Its little different to what could eventuate here should the likes of cathrine and turia gain power. The one with the better conglomeration of weaponry and tactics is the one in the right. Im more focused on trying to avoid the emergence of a similar conflict here.
That said, the tigers display brillent tactics given their resources and have some interesting policies, especially in relation to women, in their efforts to acheive their goals. From the works ive read, and there are a fair few (anthropology papers, ergh), they seem to know how to manipulate feminists, journalists, and anthropologists prety well too.
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*oddly, the most ive read about the LTTE has been in feminism papers; they all seem to love the tigers whom let women fight and die along beside the men and punish rape severly at even just an accusation.
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Bro; You wouldn’t be trying to make political capital out of the Napier tragedy would you?
Even for you, that’s low.
If I were King (here we go) all guns would be banished.
They are fugly things.
Go find another doormat for your Sociopathy
I’m still praying for ALL those affected by this catastrophe.
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Mark – tautoko – respect!
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What a whipping for Bill English over the cycleway!!!
English’s comment ‘not this year, not next year, not the year after’ has turned and slammed him big-time. Don’t any of them know what’s going on?? Even English is shooting in the dark.
It’s em
barrass
ing
watching them contradict each other!
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I see the mayor wants to use some of national cycleway money to speed up the ‘waterview connection’.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/2407531/Regional-cycleway-seen-as-big-draw
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