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Aussie Greens strike out at ETS

Australia can, must and will meet 40% cuts by 2020. The Greens are confident that once we set off on the path to 25% cuts, delivered mostly at home, we can easily accelerate our effort towards 40% and beyond to carbon neutrality. Putting 25% on the table will see Australia taken seriously at the Copenhagen negotiations.

This is the ETS that John Key claims he wants to ‘harmonise’ with:

We don’t even have a target for 2020!! How lame can this government get on climate change?

17 thoughts on “Aussie Greens strike out at ETS

  1. As the original Sir Humphrey said, “Being specific about targets is a dangerous thing Minister; especially if the time-frame exceeds the current Governmental term. You see, if they are not achieved, the Minister who specified them is always blamed, but if they re achieved, it is the Minister AT THE TIME, and their party, that receives the credit”. To which the Minister replied, “Then give them a statement that enables me to be right when I’m wrong and them not right if I was. That’s something I and the PM will be able to live with”.

    It would seem the ‘Sir Humphrey’s’ of New Zealand are still trying to formulate such a statement.

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  2. “Australia can, must and will meet 40% cuts by 2020.”

    Don’t hold your breath Frog, by 2020 people will look back in wonder at the number of people who were conned by the climate change alarmists.

    The tide is turning, climate change is just not an issue that people care about any longer, the science is unproven (if not downright dishonest) and people are now beginning to see con men like Al Gore for the hypocrite he is.

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  3. BB is right.

    When it was a piece of left-wing activism that didn’t affect the mainstream, people were happy to turn off their lights once a year.
    Doing their “bit”. A symbolic act.

    But hit them in the pocket, and they’ll be forced to look at the arguments in a more serious light. Those arguments, particularly about NZs role and responsibilities, are shaky. The outcome won’t be good for the Green movement.

    AGW alarmism peaked last year.

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  4. There is serious concern that a 25% reduction by 2020 is just too little too late. Of course the idiot brigade represented by BB and BP would have us charging ahead simply because they are so self centred and arrogant that they cannot imagine what it would be like to have to change their lifestyles. No matter – one way or another it will be forced upon them. Either by massive taxation – which NACT is leading us towards (we will have to pay our way as a Nation for our expenditure of Carbon above our 1990 levels)- by delaying yet again the ETS, or by the the final realization that it it all too late and the oil has has peaked. Not that either of these senarios will bring any joy to anyone.

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  5. So BP, no one’s argued that people don’t think short-term in a recession (even more so than usual). That doesn’t make bb right at all:

    Don’t hold your breath Frog, by 2020 people will look back in wonder at the number of people who were conned by the climate change alarmists.

    Pure conjecture.

    The tide is turning, climate change is just not an issue that people care about any longer,

    Saying they care about their pockets more at a point in time does not mean they don’t care about climate change.

    the science is unproven (if not downright dishonest) and people are now beginning to see con men like Al Gore for the hypocrite he is.

    Pure wishful thinking. Sorry, but we’ll be talking about this issue for a long time yet.

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  6. “Although a majority of Americans believe the seriousness of global warming is either correctly portrayed in the news or underestimated, a record-high 41% now say it is exaggerated. This represents the highest level of public skepticism about mainstream reporting on global warming seen in more than a decade of Gallup polling on the subject.”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116590/Increased-Number-Think-Global-Warming-Exaggerated.aspx

    Perhaps people have noticed that, er, there isn’t actually any warming going on?

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  7. Or perhaps this poll is more significant, because it asks people to consider the trade-offs and rank their concerns, rather than giving a pious “sure” when asked a simple yes/no question.

    Global warming is at the bottom of the list of some 20 concerns people were asked about; right below “being attacked by a bear.”

    http://people-press.org/report/485/economy-top-policy-priority

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  8. Valis said:
    Welcome to planet big blow.

    (Hot winds, no solid ground to stand on, largely uninhabited.)

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  9. being attacked by a bear
    is now of far greater concern to Americans, with the melting of the icebridges and the resulting expansion of polar bear territories.

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  10. “Perhaps people have noticed that, er, there isn’t actually any warming going on?”

    It’s only Republicans, and only because with the financial sector imploding it’s their extravagantly paid jobs that are disappearing now their running scared.

    Hence Improving job situation, Strengthening nation’s economy, Defending US against terrorism and Strengthening the military are the four biggest worries for Replublicans.

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  11. People who quote polls in the USA need to note that in the USA there is a direct correlation between doubt in global warming and belief in creationism (summed up as the ignorance of those voting Republican).

    There is global warming – all records show the rising trend. As for the recent plateau, the cause is a cooling phase in the ocean currents system which will soon come to an end.

    Just as there is now an industry promoting Intelligent Design – to promote creationism to people with more than a high school education (because creationism results in the Christian fundamentalism which builds up the Republican vote), there are now people (as smart as the lawyers who work for tobacco firms) trying to lay false and misleading evidence before the public on global warming.

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  12. > The tide is turning, climate change is just not an issue that people care about any longer,

    The right wing campaign to keep themselves wealthy in the short-term has probably conned some people into thinking that climate change is not a big issue. But ultimately, if people don’t make it an issue, it will naturally come to their attention as it starts to impact on their lives.

    > the science is unproven (if not downright dishonest)
    Global warming is happening, there is no doubt about it. Don’t believe me? See for yourself at http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

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  13. At least the recession (which caused the delay) is reducing carbon emmissions.

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