by frog
I want to give a big green anti-histamine free bouquet to the Green Councillors on the Wellington City Council. Long serving WCC stalwart Celia Wade-Brown and relative newbie Iona Pannett got the big thumbs up for their regional representation in the Wellingtonian’s Wellington city councillors’ mid-term report.
Now given the good words written about Iona and Celia it is to be hoped their views on the ghastly monstrosity planned for the home of all cricket in
The elevated structure for the grade separation of the Basin Reserve will be visually prominent and will affect the perception, symbolic character and context of the Basin Reserve and will impact on the overall character of the wider surroundings. The grade separation may also adversely affect the experience of those using the Basin Reserve.
One of the saddest aspects of this philistinery is that the man known as ‘mystery’ Morrison – a cricketing hero of the late 70s with his droopy mo and oddly unplayable slow bowling appears to be unconcerned by the flyover.
Published in Environment & Resource Management | Media by frog on Fri, April 17th, 2009
Tags: Basin Reserve Flyover, Celia Wade Brown, cricket, iona pannett, Wellington City Council
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
Or it could be argued the Basin Reserve is in the way of our road.
Interesting how a flyover changes the character of the landscape in a bad way, yet windfarms change the character of the landscape in a good way. I guess it all depends who is pushing the agenda at the time.
Those roads around the basin are awful. The sooner we have a decent motorway in that area, the better.
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Yes, motorways and flyovers seem to be doing the trick in Auckland.
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They probably don’t have enough of them….
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It’s at the absolute end of the North Island. If a 15 minute drive to the airport is too long for you, move to Lyall Bay! If a 10 minute run into town from Hataitai is too long, move to the city centre, FFS!
Why Kerry wants to build giant motorways around our eminently walkable city escapes me. (Why we need buses through our pedestrian malls does also, but i’ll leave that one alone).
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How does a flyover stop you walking?
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By increasing the amount of traffic on either side, as suburbanites decide to drive rather than taking public transport, or walking themselves. And it adds to air pollution, and noise, and makes the city uglier. Plus you can bet that just as with the bypass, there will be great lumps of land taken over by cars and made walker unfriendly.
Not to mention its a waste of money that could be spent on better public transport.
Or that when you lot melt the icecaps, we won’t be able to walk around downtown without snorkels.
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Walk somewhere else.
It’s nice to walk by the motorway near the old cemetery, for example.
We have a lot of public transport already. How many more buses do you want?
>>Or that when you lot melt the icecaps, we won’t be able to walk around downtown without snorkels.
Just one of those myths, rich.
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“The elevated structure for the grade separation of the Basin Reserve will be visually prominent and will affect the perception, symbolic character and context of the Basin Reserve and will impact on the overall character of the wider surroundings. The grade separation may also adversely affect the experience of those using the Basin Reserve.”
Said structure would also tend to become an airborne menace during rampant southerlies common to Wellington’s winter. Well G.
Oh Granma’ they put a hiway over you…..pinchin all our best stuff – Queen Victoria’s had it; so has the cannon from Newtown Park – the Council are thorough-going Looters. Cap ‘em Rodney!
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BP, have you not heard of induced demand?
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Have you ever heard of annoying traffic jams?
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>>will impact on the overall character of the wider surroundings.
So do wind farms.
What’s your point?
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The Save the Basin visual depictions are JUST that, complete lies, NOT drawn in the investigation phase of the project and bear only a crude relationship to what is being proposed. Why lie? Why lie, when the project will dramatically improve north/south public transport, cycling and pedestrian access unless you just have a blinkered attitude that ANY roadworks that improve flow at a congested intersection are bad – like some religion.
Of course it isn’t a motorway, it is a direct link from Mt Victoria Tunnel to Buckle St, it will reduce CO2 emissions, reduce delays for traffic on side streets, reduce exposure of children to emissions by removing through traffic from the Basin.
but why let facts get in the way of an ideologically blinkered campaign?
There can be NO induced demand when Mt Victoria Tunnel and Buckle Street already exist already with fixed capacity, there are NO parallel public transport services to this route to take people off of, this is for traffic from the Easter Suburbs to north of the city, and removes delays for Southern Suburb to city traffic.
The Wellington Urban Motorway permanently relieved through traffic congestion from Lambton Quay, enabling it to become a high volume pedestrian street which is mostly a bus/delivery vehicle thoroughfare – the Johnsonville-Porirua motorway relieved Tawa of through traffic, permanently enabling development of that suburb around a local arterial and rail corridor.
Will this project be another one the Greens lie about (like the inner city bypass) or subject to some decent objective analysis that shows that removing east-west traffic from a grossly congested intersection will benefit cars, trucks, buses, bikes and pedestrians?
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“it will reduce CO2 emissions, reduce delays for traffic on side streets, reduce exposure of children to emissions by removing through traffic from the Basin.”
Utter Bull!
In a couple of years time it will be completely unnecessary – as with all our motorways – people will not be able to afford to use them! Only this one will be an ugly white elephant. Similar – but more obtrusive than the Victoria Park structures in Auckland. If Mystery is thinking that the shadows might help to improve his bowling averages the poor quality of the pitch thru lack of sun light might be a more telling reason.
The Basin could well be inundated anyway back to where it came from. A 1 – 2m rise in sea level would do it. (2 degree warming and looking increasingly likely).
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> Have you ever heard of annoying traffic jams?
Jarbury; no he hasn’t heard of induced demand.
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> Have you ever heard of annoying traffic jams?
Jarbury; no he hasn’t heard of induced demand.
Oh good, BP will be rushing to sign my petition to move Blenheim away from SH1 cos you ain’t experienced annoying traffic jams till the ‘three ring circus’ makes you miss the ferry.
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>>people will not be able to afford to use them!
Rubbish. Can we please get away from this antiquated notion that cars are reliant on oil as a power source.
>>no he hasn’t heard of induced demand
Yawnies. You could do a number of things: HOV lanes, increased parking costs, etc. Or you could leave it as it is now – cars stopping and starting, just like they go through the greenie-mangled by-pass.
What a victory for emissions that was….plonkers.
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BP, my comment on whether you had heard of induced demand was related to you saying that Auckland doesn’t have enough motorways. Regarding this proposal, I don’t know the area well enough to really form an opinion. I can see how the Basin would have significant traffic issues, but I can also see how it is critical to get any bypass done correctly.
I do wonder whether this would just shift the bottleneck though – as most roading projects do. What next, duplicating the Mt Victoria tunnel?
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Macro said “In a couple of years time it will be completely unnecessary – as with all our motorways – people will not be able to afford to use them!” Macro I’ll bet you $1,000 that in exactly 2 years time the level of road transport usage in New Zealand will be no less than today, and that the congestion at the Basin Reserve will not have abated.
Road transport remains the most flexible and cheapest means of shifting goods and people over short to medium distances, but if you think vehicle sitting at traffic lights near schools is BETTER environmentally than free flowing traffic, then you’ve been too exposed to fumes to think straight.
Jarbury – It wont shift the bottleneck to Mt Victoria Tunnel, since the proposal is a one way flyover from the tunnel to Buckle Street.
Duplicating Mt Victoria Tunnel would make sense but only if it were tolled. Congestion charging would make the most dramatic difference to traffic flow in Wellington.
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