phil “listen kev..if it weren’t for the likes of me..”

ah ha ha ha

whoar: driving new zealand’s economic recovery…

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“How much carbon would we have to remove to offset the Australian bush fires?”

Assuming that the bush regrows back to its original condition as it has after previous bush-fires, the answer is simple – none.

Unfortunately the same can’t be said about the carbon released from burning cars and houses, which have been made from (or contained) fossil fuels.

Trevor.

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“A return to common sense”
BluePeter
In your opinion maybe – but did you actually READ the post? There is NOT one ounce of common sense in anything that this current “govt” is doing. Read what Jeanette says. There is an ETS in law yet the govt sits on its hands and does nothing to ensure that the provisions it puts in place will happen. The Committee that is supposed to “review” the scheme has no terms of reference to do so! Now explain to me how that is common sense.
The ETS is NOT a tax – it replaces what was originally proposed as a carbon tax – Shane Arden drove his tractor up the steps of parliament you may recall – Now that was the tax scheme. The ETS is a different thing, altogether but obviously you haven’t got your head around it yet.

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How much carbon would we have to remove to offset the Australian bush fires?
Anyone know?

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>>if state has lost its rudder and is being tossed on a raging sea with no one in command

A return to common sense, more like.

A pointless tax, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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Thank you Jeanette for a very informative post. Its not the sort of information we are likely to find elsewhere. I think you have answered your question re the purpose of the “Emissions Trading Scheme Review Committee”. Again just a smoke and mirrors play to show how “concerned” we all are with the issues. (And we will do what we were going to do all along – no matter what the recommendations!)
The more I hear about our present people on the treasury benches the more I grow in the feeling that NZ’s ship if state has lost its rudder and is being tossed on a raging sea with no one in command.

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Valis, That’s good news. Labour wasn’t exactly reknowned for letter common sense prevail.

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The answer Kev is that Green Homes Fund did indeed allow for solutions that took region and other factors into account, so not one size fits all. Of course the Nats have canned the fund so all bets are off. They say they will do a scheme of their own, but the parameters are unknown.

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Whanganui?
Now that you mention it:
http://mywitsend.co.nz/wanganui/580

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‘watching ‘lord of the rings;..’…(shudder..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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Surely the jafa solution is to import cheap petrochemical based insulation from China and truck it to big box stores on the outskirts of hick towms whilst relaxing with a nice Whitestone brie (on a Temuka platter) washed down with a Marlborough Chardonnay (in a Whanganui glass goblet) while watching Lord of the Rings on their Korean home theatre.

A greenie sneering at wool insulation is something I didn’t expect.
http://www.woolbloc.co.nz/

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listen kev..if it weren’t for the likes of me..

..and the other urbane sophisticates of auckland..

..and (near)environs..

..the country would just be known for cowsh*t in our creeks..

..and the hicks who put it here….

…eh..?

..(‘never mind the view..!..look at all that sh*t..!’..)..

.. and..um..!..as for this insulation issue..

..that you hicks have got yr hands out for yet another subsidy..

.(.were you hicks all born with yr hand out..?..sheesh..!

..relying on us ‘urbane sophisticates’of the harbour city/happy place..

.. to ‘help’ you..

..yet again..?

..eh..?

why don’t you hicks just stuff wool in yr walls/cavitiies..?

(i hear tell that’d be great .. for what ails you..)

..and..why on earth do you need/want us jafas to come and stuff wool in yr cavities..?

..c’mon..!..try and get those braincells to ‘zzzttt!!’

..get up to speed..!

..eh..?

..you can’t just expect us to always come to your aid…

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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Our biggest hydro schemes are located in the coldest parts of the country. So, potentially, the windfall profits from hydro can be returned to the residents of those coldest places through the Green Homes project. But has the scheme been set up to ensure that the Green Homes funding is allocated to regions according to need by paying for higher insulation standards in colder regions or is it going to be allocated on a per capita basis? The latter option will see the South Island and central North Island further subsidising life in Auckland.

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The outlook is grim. Nevertheless there’s no use us getting ourselves so worked up about it in New Zealand that we harm our economy significantly in the short to medium term.

Until such time as the governments of the USA, Europe, China, India and a couple of dozen other countries accept that we’re in deep trouble and initiate government action on a massive scale all we can do is be enthusiastic followers.

While China continue to roll out a coal fired power station every two weeks it wouldn’t make a significant difference to the final outcome if we in NZ went back to the stone age.

We need to agitate for change worldwide. Sure, we need to change our lightbulbs, use our bikes, and all the rest of it. But if we go overboard with the ETS we’ll damage ourselves and accomplish a negligible difference in world emissions.

We can make a better contribution by putting more resources into research: feed crops to reduce methane from stock; wind and tide energy for instance.

The Scots are on the right track with their £10,000,000 prize for a viable tidal/wave energy plant.

Perhaps the biggest single change which would produce meaningful results would be for us to lobby for a tax on oil worldwide so that it never sells for less than (for instance) US$100 a barrel. Then the alternative energy industry would have a stable economic platform on which to invest.

Thomas Friedman’s onto it:
http://www.thomaslfriedman.com/bookshelf/hot-flat-and-crowded

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http://whoar.co.nz/2009/lord-stern-on-global-warming-its-even-worse-than-i-thought/

phil(whoar.co.nz)

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