No we need to make it harder and shorter. Geoffrey Palmer decided (as I understand it) that prison “shouldn’t be for punishment”. Prisoners shouldn’t have the same human rights we extend to those on the outside.

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jh Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

> The reason SST is popular is that it is generally perceived that prison has little deterrent value

so we need to make sentences longer and spend even more money on not deterring criminals?

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A “SINGLE VOICE PROJECT” is the official name of the petition sponsored by: The National Public Service Council To Abolish Private Prisons (NPSCTAPP)

THIS PETITION SEEKS TO ABOLISH ALL PRIVATE PRISONS IN THE UNITED STATES, (or any place subject to its jurisdiction)

The National Public Service Council To Abolish Private Prisons (NPSCTAPP) is a grass roots organization driven by a single objective. We want the United States government to reclaim sole authority for state and federal prisons on US soil.
We want the United States Congress to immediately rescind all state and federal contracts that permit private prisons “for profit” to exist in the United States, or any place subject to its jurisdiction. We understand that the problems that currently plague our government, its criminal justice system and in particular, the state & federal bureau of prisons (and most correctional and rehabilitation facilities) are massive. However, it is our solemn belief that the solutions for prison reform will remain unattainable and virtually impossible as long as private prisons for profit are permitted to operate in America.

Prior to the past month, and the fiasco of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, Lehman Brothers, and now the “Big Three” American Automobile manufacturers, the NPSCTAPP has always felt compelled to highlight the “moral Bottom line” when it comes to corrections and privatization. Although, we remain confounded by the reality that our government has allowed our justice system to be operated by private interests. The NPSCTAPP philosophy has always been “justice” should not be for sale at any price. It is our belief that the inherent and most fundamental responsibility of the criminal justice system should not be shirked, or “jobbed-out.” This is not the same as privatizing the post office or some trash pick up service in the community. There has to be a loss of meaning and purpose when an inmate looks at a guard’s uniform and instead of seeing an emblem that reads State Department of Corrections or Federal Bureau of Prisons, he sees one that says: “Atlas Prison Corporation.”

Let’s assume that the real danger of privatization is not some innate inhumanity on the part of its practitioners but rather the added financial incentives that reward inhumanity. The same logic that motivates companies to operate prisons more efficiently also encourages them to cut corners at the expense of workers, prisoners and the public. Every penny they do not spend on food, medical care or training for guards is a dime they can pocket. What happens when the pennies pocketed are not enough for the shareholders? Who will bailout the private prison industry when they hold the government and the American people hostage with the threat of financial failure…“bankruptcy?” What was unimaginable a month ago merits serious consideration today. State and Federal prison programs originate from government design, and therefore, need to be maintained by the government. It’s time to restore the principles and the vacated promise of our judicial system.

John F. Kennedy said, “The time to repair the roof is while the sun is shinning”. Well the sun may not be shinning but, it’s not a bad time to begin repair on a dangerous roof that is certain to fall…. because, “Incarcerating people for profit is, in a word WRONG”

There is an urgent need for the good people of this country to emerge from the shadows of cynicism, indifference, apathy and those other dark places that we migrate to when we are overwhelmed by frustration and the loss of hope.
It is our hope that you will support the NPSCTAPP with a show of solidarity by signing our petition. We intend to assemble a collection of one million signatures, which will subsequently be attached to a proposition for consideration. This proposition will be presented to both, the Speaker Of The House Of Representatives (Nancy Pelosi) and the United States Congress.

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These new slave plantations are not the answer!

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!

William Thomas
National Community Outreach Facilitator
The National Public Service Council To Abolish Private Prisons
P.O. Box 156423
San Francisco, California 94115

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http://www.documen.tv/asset/Japan_form_inside_film.html

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The reason SST is popular is that it is generally perceived that prison has little deterrent value and the bill of rights is too kind to crims. In other words we don’t accept the world view of the left.

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Soft Prisons don’t work.
The Japanese know how to run prisons

Extracts from Internal Regulations, Fuchu Prison, Tokyo.

GENERAL INSTRUCTIONS
- Do not reveal names and addresses of your family to fellow inmates.
- While walking avoid folding your arms or hands, putting your hands in your pockets….waving your shoulders intentionally or dragging your shoes….
- Always obey any instructions given by prison officers even if this booklet has not referred to the matter.

ROOM REGULATIONS
- Do not wash your head or body in your room at your own will. Do not wash clothes without permission.
- Do not lie down in your room whenever you please. Avoid leaning against the bedding or sitting on it.
- Your sitting position in the room should be as designated in the chart in your room.
In a single room, sit facing the table while working, taking meals or during leisure hours. During bed time, you can sit on the bed.
Those under punishment should sit on the stool at the designated place in the correct position.

WORK REGULATIONS
- You are not allowed to leave your work area without permission. Idle talk is prohibited. Raise your hand to obtain permission from your factory guard beforehand when you have to leave your work area.
- When you go to the toilet you shall take a permission tag with you, and hang it in a fixed place. Conversation in the toilet is prohibited.

USING NOTEBOOKS
- Do not soil or tear off the permit attached to each notebook.
- Use each notebook for its authorised purpose only. Avoid lending it or asking others to write for you on it.
- Handle your notebook with care and avoid soiling and tearing.
- Use an eraser or draw lines to correct errors. Do not tear off any page.
- Use the notebook in the order of pages and do not leave blank pages.
- You may divide a notebook into two parts and use it from both ends. A notebook for study or vocational training may be divided into three or more parts when deemed necessary. Get permission from the officer in charge beforehand….Indexes should be put in each section.
- Submit your notebooks to officers for censorship when required.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ASA22/004/1998/en/dom-ASA220041998en.html

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Xchequer: You’ll find many people here who have been around the block more than a few times. We assume – based on experience – that openness and transparency will not be features of anything National does with private operators. That’s because they avoided openness and transparency at every opportunity in the past. Their RMA changes show the same disregard for the public good as do the points made by I/S in his own analysis.

This is no longer a theoretical concern. We went there in the 90′s and loss of transparency and accountability was the norm…..and to be expected. What the government says about is hardly relevant. It’s what they DO…and we’ve seen already what they DO.

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As well as the excellent points made by I/S, the other aspect here is that of ensuring contract compliance. Since the relationship between govt and private contractor is usually deemed to be “commercially sensitive”, it is often removed from public view. Thus, both the government AND the operator have every incentive to hide problems, and generally make everything sound perfectly wonderful. The public is to often poorly served. The prison atrocities in Texas and elsewhere were possible because the people overseeing the contracts were captured or colluding with the contractors….or simply negligent. Example of lax regulatory oversight being employed as a tactic to enhance profits and reduce accountabilty and transparency are legion. All the evidence I’m aware of says National will oversee an apparatus that will do this as badly as it has been done almost everywhere I know of…and in arena far removed from corrections.

This applies to ANY contract between government and private operator. If it isn’t completely transparent, it WILL be abused sooner or later.

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Well spotted, I/S.

I agree that the Ombudsman (I guess it won’t be too long before we have to say “Ombudsperson”…..sigh) should be there at the least to represent the public in the management of such services – especially ones so socially important as custody of our criminals.

Toad: I see what you are saying however if you decide to protect the identity of your donors for whatever reason, you gotta do that and not just change your rules because some Tane wants it to.

Example: If I had contributed $1000 to the SST but wanted my privacy for my own reasons, whats to stop other people from finding out if Tane were to have his way?

Now I’m not saying that the SST’s methods here are right – personally I would like all lobby groups to front up with their donors IF they have some relative commercial interest in the groups pursuits. But da rules are da rules! And just because they happen to frustrate Tane’s line of questioning doesn’t make them open for breaking.

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Nice post Toad. Comparing anyone with Dad certainly gets your point across, lol!

XChequer
http://thenzhomeoffice.blogspot.com/

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May I suggest a Panopticon?

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I don’t care who runs prisons. What I want is errant/naughty/stupid people taught how to not re-offend and bad people locked away. As I have suggested before, if bonus payment/profit was dependent on the released prisoner not reoffending, then I’m quite relaxed about private prisons. The payout must be results driven. Bonuses based on non-recidivism could work well within the state run system’s management too.
What you do with the truly bad is another matter.

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XChequer said: Tane at the Standard speculated about “what if” one day, then next thing you know because they won’t reveal their donors, then that means there is a link.

XChequer, it is more than that the SST won’t reveal their donors. It is that they failed to deny, when challenged by Tane, that they receive funding from private prison interests. Instead, they sought to obfuscate and misdirect through a media release that, as Lynn Prentice pointed out at The Standard, was almost as vitriolic, OTT and just plain weird as something dad4justice or Whaleoil might have written.

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And where did the Government say that?

It’s in their private prisons bill. My quick and dirty analysis – quoted above – is here.

Accountability and oversight matters to all of us, no matter which side of the “law and order” debate we’re on. How do you think the SST gets their information? They use the OIA. Its not just troublemakers like me who rely on it to hold Corrections to account.

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I’m sure idiot/savant would not mind me quoting him XChequer http://norightturn.blogspot.com/

“What’s missing? Firstly, the Ombudsmen. They have an important role in the monitoring of prisons” ………….

and …… “The second obvious omission is of course the OIA. Currently, we can demand information from Corrections, and we can do that at all levels, down to and including a prison manager. But under this bill, we won’t be able to anymore”

and he also notes …………… “I’m also horrified by this clause (new s199B (2)):

For the purposes of determining the liability of the Crown or the contractor for any act or omission of a contractor or a contractor’s employees or agents, neither the contractor nor the contractor’s employees or agents are to be treated as agents of the Crown.
Despite the fact that that is in fact exactly what they are”

He sums up ………….. “I loathe the idea of private prisons and sadism for profit; but this implementation of it simply stinks. It would remove private prisons from public scrutiny and from the jurisdiction of the Ombudsmen, and so dramatically weaken oversight. The effect would be to reduce accountability. And where prisons are concerned, that’s not something any civilised society can afford.”

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“And as Meyt has pointed out the Govt seems keen to NOT allow proper oversight in how private opperators would run the show ……….”

And where did the Government say that?

XChequer
http://thenzhomeoffice.blogspot.com/

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Wat dabney should know that the GEO group which for some ‘unknown’ reason is the natianals/Govts preferred bidder is known for running prisons to a very low standard …………….

And as Meyt has pointed out the Govt seems keen to NOT allow proper oversight in how private opperators would run the show ……….

Mind you with the John Key and the Nats in power the prison ‘industry’ looks like the only one set for growth.

I’m kind of surprised that ol johnny boy didn’t bring it up and crow about it at his recent jobs talk fest.

he could have said something like this ………….. ” I envisage 10% of NZ’s workforce working in prisons guarding the 10% of NZers we’d like to lock up, if we all make sacrifices and cut back on luxurys like pensions and ACC we can do it!!!!.’

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The fact still remains Metiria that there is still no proof, no evidence – not even a lead of any type – that links the SST to CEO. Tane at the Standard speculated about “what if” one day, then next thing you know because they won’t reveal their donors, then that means there is a link.

This is some seriously flawed thinking and would just be a political beat up except that would be a euphemism.

Further, your speculation above in reply to wat dabney is exactly that – speculation. You don’t know that this will happen.

The question is “Are we happy with the status quo or are we prepared to try and look for better ways?” Now I’m not saying that CEO is the answer, just maybe they are. Would should at least try, Metiria, in the interests of the public. And we shouldn’t be scared to try something. Especially since the current system is running so well.

XChequer
http://thenzhomeoffice.blogspot.com/

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If private prisons are made subject to the same standards and government inspection regime as state ones, as in the UK, then there appears to be no real obstacle.
I’m sure the difficulties of the state (or a competitor) taking over a failing prison are not insurmountable; and the very fact that such a step can be taken is a serious incentive for any private provider to deliver to a hihg standard – an incentive entirely lacking under a state monopoly.

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Wat dabney

The bill appears to exclude the any requirement that the private prison comply with the OIA or the Ombusdsman. They are both processes that ensure oversight and accountability by the public and they are missing from the legal obligations of the contractors.

As the GEO Group example shows, some companies can do a great deal of harm before there is any risk that they may lose a contract. Given Nationals ideological committment to private prisons and the comparative difficulty and cost of the state taking over a private prison if the contract is lost, we can expect that contracts will not be lost by private prison companies very easily at all. This is likely to be the case should a private company run the first one or two prisons as loss leaders and then seek to recover profits on later prison contracts.

meyt

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