<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Our Superfund continues to invest where angels fear to tread</title>
	<atom:link href="http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/</link>
	<description>hopping along the corridors of power</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:39:08 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3</generator>
<xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" />
	<item>
		<title>By: bjchip</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/#comment-72615</link>
		<dc:creator>bjchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/#comment-72615</guid>
		<description>Wat

Unemployment in the USA is officially over 8%,  realistically it is closer to twice that number.  Wal-Mart is a very well managed capitalist firm and it succeeds well in the wage-slavery environment that the pseudo-capitalists so enjoy. 

I am not sure I blame them as much as Frog does.  I tend to blame the people who make that environment possible through their blind adherence to their infallible god &quot;the market&quot;.   

The matter however, is what sort of investments we should be making with the fund.   We would have done better to invest in NZ IMHO, as recent events have shown us.  The easy-money of the foreign sharemarkets has been proven quite ephemeral and &quot;easy-come-easy-go&quot; is the rule.   

Moreover, it isn&#039;t reasonable to say we are &quot;borrowing to invest&quot; in this.  The government is borrowing overall, as a result of tax cuts and tax inequities, as well as the perceived need to stimulate the NZ economy in Keynesian terms.   Whether that last is the best of ideas is debatable, I&#039;d rather we fixed our currency and let it work itself out, but if one is investing in such a manner and the fund can be a tool to do it.  

respectfully 
BJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='comment-inner'>
<p>Wat</p>
<p>Unemployment in the USA is officially over 8%,  realistically it is closer to twice that number.  Wal-Mart is a very well managed capitalist firm and it succeeds well in the wage-slavery environment that the pseudo-capitalists so enjoy. </p>
<p>I am not sure I blame them as much as Frog does.  I tend to blame the people who make that environment possible through their blind adherence to their infallible god &#8220;the market&#8221;.   </p>
<p>The matter however, is what sort of investments we should be making with the fund.   We would have done better to invest in NZ IMHO, as recent events have shown us.  The easy-money of the foreign sharemarkets has been proven quite ephemeral and &#8220;easy-come-easy-go&#8221; is the rule.   </p>
<p>Moreover, it isn&#8217;t reasonable to say we are &#8220;borrowing to invest&#8221; in this.  The government is borrowing overall, as a result of tax cuts and tax inequities, as well as the perceived need to stimulate the NZ economy in Keynesian terms.   Whether that last is the best of ideas is debatable, I&#8217;d rather we fixed our currency and let it work itself out, but if one is investing in such a manner and the fund can be a tool to do it.  </p>
<p>respectfully<br />
BJ</p>
</div>
<p class="rating_buttons">Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-72615" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('72615', 'add', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" /> <small id="karma-72615-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-72615" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('72615', 'subtract', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" /> <small id="karma-72615-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small> (<small id="karma-72615-total" >0</small>)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Valis</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/#comment-72607</link>
		<dc:creator>Valis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/#comment-72607</guid>
		<description>One of Wal-Mart&#039;s tactics is to open several stores in a region, even though some will not be in viable locations, just to ensure all the ma and pa and other shops close.  Then they only keep open those stores in the best locations, forcing many people to travel further as well.  wat will no doubt point out that these people are reaping what they sowed by patronising Wal-Mart in the first place, which is certainly true, but no justification for investing in Wal-Mart either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='comment-inner'>
<p>One of Wal-Mart&#8217;s tactics is to open several stores in a region, even though some will not be in viable locations, just to ensure all the ma and pa and other shops close.  Then they only keep open those stores in the best locations, forcing many people to travel further as well.  wat will no doubt point out that these people are reaping what they sowed by patronising Wal-Mart in the first place, which is certainly true, but no justification for investing in Wal-Mart either.</p>
</div>
<p class="rating_buttons">Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-72607" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('72607', 'add', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" /> <small id="karma-72607-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-72607" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('72607', 'subtract', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" /> <small id="karma-72607-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small> (<small id="karma-72607-total" >0</small>)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: nommopilot</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/#comment-72605</link>
		<dc:creator>nommopilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/#comment-72605</guid>
		<description>&quot;Presumably though, Walmart offers a better package than the competition&quot;

no they&#039;ve simply destroyed the competition by undercutting their prices with the lower prices enabled by scale and treating your employees as described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='comment-inner'>
<p>&#8220;Presumably though, Walmart offers a better package than the competition&#8221;</p>
<p>no they&#8217;ve simply destroyed the competition by undercutting their prices with the lower prices enabled by scale and treating your employees as described.</p>
</div>
<p class="rating_buttons">Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-72605" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('72605', 'add', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" /> <small id="karma-72605-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-72605" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('72605', 'subtract', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" /> <small id="karma-72605-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small> (<small id="karma-72605-total" >0</small>)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/#comment-72604</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/#comment-72604</guid>
		<description>On the wider issue of the Cullen Fund

Bill English has replied (February) to my 2008 letter on funding the Super Fund.  

He says that to sustain the present level of NZ Super in the future we need to establish a reserve now to mitigate the rising cost to taxpayers. He says the government is committed to continuation of the Fund as an effective vehicle for pre-funding NZS costs. All very bi-partisan in tone. 

As to my idea of transferring state assets into the Fund rather than cash, he says the government will not sell state assets and says the Fund would need to be able continue trading in its assets to maximise profits - so they must reject the option of passing on state assets into the Fund (I suggested the Fund only off-load them in the longer term to Kiwi Saver funds so they stayed in local ownership). 

Given todays news the most interesting thing to note is this 

“Indeed, the Funds liquidity in a time of economic downturn is one of its advantages in the marketplace, as it is able to exploit opportunities to acquire assets while company stock prices are low relative to future potential earnings”. 

Which is an argument to use ones ability to borrow money and maximise opportunities now - not to reduce ones financing of the Fund … . Which makes one wonder what changed at Treasury or in the government between then and now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='comment-inner'>
<p>On the wider issue of the Cullen Fund</p>
<p>Bill English has replied (February) to my 2008 letter on funding the Super Fund.  </p>
<p>He says that to sustain the present level of NZ Super in the future we need to establish a reserve now to mitigate the rising cost to taxpayers. He says the government is committed to continuation of the Fund as an effective vehicle for pre-funding NZS costs. All very bi-partisan in tone. </p>
<p>As to my idea of transferring state assets into the Fund rather than cash, he says the government will not sell state assets and says the Fund would need to be able continue trading in its assets to maximise profits &#8211; so they must reject the option of passing on state assets into the Fund (I suggested the Fund only off-load them in the longer term to Kiwi Saver funds so they stayed in local ownership). </p>
<p>Given todays news the most interesting thing to note is this </p>
<p>“Indeed, the Funds liquidity in a time of economic downturn is one of its advantages in the marketplace, as it is able to exploit opportunities to acquire assets while company stock prices are low relative to future potential earnings”. </p>
<p>Which is an argument to use ones ability to borrow money and maximise opportunities now &#8211; not to reduce ones financing of the Fund … . Which makes one wonder what changed at Treasury or in the government between then and now?</p>
</div>
<p class="rating_buttons">Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-72604" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('72604', 'add', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" /> <small id="karma-72604-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-72604" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('72604', 'subtract', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" /> <small id="karma-72604-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">0</small> (<small id="karma-72604-total" >0</small>)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: wat dabney</title>
		<link>http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/#comment-72524</link>
		<dc:creator>wat dabney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/03/10/our-superfund-continues-to-invest-where-angels-fear-to-tread/#comment-72524</guid>
		<description>&quot;Wal-Mart consistently and systematically violate labour and human rights law. For example, they employ minors, provide working conditions at many of its suppliers that are dangerous, pressure their workers into working overtime without compensation, discriminate against women in pay, and block any attempts by the company’s employees to unionise.&quot;


Presumably though, Walmart offers a better package than the competition, otherwise its job vacancies would not be so heavily over-subscribed.

In which case, surely it&#039;s that worse-paying competition you should be complaining about, rather than Walmart.

And, for the record, can you please detail how many thousands or tens-of-thousands of people &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; employ, and their conditions of employment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='comment-inner'>
<p>&#8220;Wal-Mart consistently and systematically violate labour and human rights law. For example, they employ minors, provide working conditions at many of its suppliers that are dangerous, pressure their workers into working overtime without compensation, discriminate against women in pay, and block any attempts by the company’s employees to unionise.&#8221;</p>
<p>Presumably though, Walmart offers a better package than the competition, otherwise its job vacancies would not be so heavily over-subscribed.</p>
<p>In which case, surely it&#8217;s that worse-paying competition you should be complaining about, rather than Walmart.</p>
<p>And, for the record, can you please detail how many thousands or tens-of-thousands of people <i>you</i> employ, and their conditions of employment.</p>
</div>
<p class="rating_buttons">Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="up-72524" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('72524', 'add', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" /> <small id="karma-72524-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</small>&nbsp;<img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" id="down-72524" src="http://blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_down.png" alt="Thumb down" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('72524', 'subtract', 'blog.greens.org.nz/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_')" /> <small id="karma-72524-down" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">2</small> (<small id="karma-72524-total" style="font-size:12px; color:#990033;">-2</small>)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

