Comments on: Kangaroo Court under the LabNats http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/ hopping along the corridors of power Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:11:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: dbuckley http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/#comment-71394 dbuckley Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:57:28 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/#comment-71394 If the argument is that the principles of the copyright law are out of date and indeed in parts just wrong, I fully agree. If the arguement is that the music biz is using the copyright law to prevent themselves dissapearing off the face of the earth, exactly as the Luddites tried to stop progress by smashing up powered looms, then I've been preaching that line for years. I could spend hours telling anyone who cares to listen about how wrong the way that the Copyright laws work in the context of music are wrong. But this has only related to S92A in that they happen to be in the same act. S92 is nothing (positive or negative) about how wrong Copyright is, and if one was to be honest, the New Technologies ammendment bill, of which S92A is just one small part, actually did some good. You can now legally copy a CD (which you own) to your ipod, previously a crime, and even (shock horror) legally timeshift TV programs, also previously a crime. Which is what makes that video a failed joke in the context of S92A opposition. If you want to take on the entirity of the concept of copyright then go for it. If you want to object to 92A, go for that. But dont get confused and use the arguments against one as an argument against the other, it just looks silly. Oh, and I read James Murray's blog issue, as you were kind enough to post the link. Starts badly; the second sentence is incorrect. Then it assumes that the TCF protocol will be used, or something like it. From the sentence "The copyright debate is wide-ranging and complex;" it gets good. But it still fails to understand the way in which music copyright is flawed: it just moves the chairs around a bit. If the argument is that the principles of the copyright law are out of date and indeed in parts just wrong, I fully agree. If the arguement is that the music biz is using the copyright law to prevent themselves dissapearing off the face of the earth, exactly as the Luddites tried to stop progress by smashing up powered looms, then I’ve been preaching that line for years.

I could spend hours telling anyone who cares to listen about how wrong the way that the Copyright laws work in the context of music are wrong.

But this has only related to S92A in that they happen to be in the same act. S92 is nothing (positive or negative) about how wrong Copyright is, and if one was to be honest, the New Technologies ammendment bill, of which S92A is just one small part, actually did some good. You can now legally copy a CD (which you own) to your ipod, previously a crime, and even (shock horror) legally timeshift TV programs, also previously a crime.

Which is what makes that video a failed joke in the context of S92A opposition. If you want to take on the entirity of the concept of copyright then go for it. If you want to object to 92A, go for that. But dont get confused and use the arguments against one as an argument against the other, it just looks silly.

Oh, and I read James Murray’s blog issue, as you were kind enough to post the link. Starts badly; the second sentence is incorrect. Then it assumes that the TCF protocol will be used, or something like it. From the sentence “The copyright debate is wide-ranging and complex;” it gets good. But it still fails to understand the way in which music copyright is flawed: it just moves the chairs around a bit.

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]]> By: katie http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/#comment-71391 katie Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:58:52 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/#comment-71391 You beauty! I <b>do</b> find myself wondering if the people who drafted the law were total F*ng luddites who don't realise how far behind the ROTW we are here in NZ, so that internet downloads are the way most people keep up, especially if they work in a northern-hemisphere dominant creative industry. Oh, yeah, that would be most of our creatives! duplicating but not spamming, in case other ppl didn't see Meyt's post: http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/protesters-say-copyright-law-stripping -rights-2496050/video James Murray at TV3 on the issues: http://www.3news.co.nz/Default.aspx?TabId=1038 Scoop: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0902/S00338.htm hmm, tvnz link hasn't loaded properly - nice frog please fix? ;-) You beauty!

I do find myself wondering if the people who drafted the law were total F*ng luddites who don’t realise how far behind the ROTW we are here in NZ, so that internet downloads are the way most people keep up, especially if they work in a northern-hemisphere dominant creative industry. Oh, yeah, that would be most of our creatives!

duplicating but not spamming, in case other ppl didn’t see Meyt’s post:

http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/protesters-say-copyright-law-stripping -rights-2496050/video

James Murray at TV3 on the issues:
http://www.3news.co.nz/Default.aspx?TabId=1038

Scoop:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0902/S00338.htm

hmm, tvnz link hasn’t loaded properly – nice frog please fix? ;-)

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]]> By: dbuckley http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/#comment-71368 dbuckley Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:25:32 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/#comment-71368 This is bizarro. The 'roo admits undertaking activities in violation of the law of the land. Its not like he's saying "I'm innocent of all charges" and that he's had to prove his innocence - he's admitted his guilt! This is bizarro.

The ‘roo admits undertaking activities in violation of the law of the land. Its not like he’s saying “I’m innocent of all charges” and that he’s had to prove his innocence – he’s admitted his guilt!

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]]> By: StephenR http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/#comment-71341 StephenR Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:26:27 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/#comment-71341 <blockquote>I have to laugh out loud when i think that this is the sort of justice that both National and Labour (and others) voted for last year.</blockquote> What makes you think anyone voted for this 'sort of justice'? Have also signed the petition, but since it's already been presented i'm not sure there's much point in signing further?

I have to laugh out loud when i think that this is the sort of justice that both National and Labour (and others) voted for last year.

What makes you think anyone voted for this ’sort of justice’?

Have also signed the petition, but since it’s already been presented i’m not sure there’s much point in signing further?

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]]> By: eredwen http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/#comment-71329 eredwen Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:00:10 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/02/19/kangaroo-court-under-the-labnats/#comment-71329 I have emailed various MP's ... and have signed this petition: http://creativefreedom.org.nz/copywrong.html I have emailed various MP’s … and have signed this petition:

http://creativefreedom.org.nz/copywrong.html

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