Garth Mcvicar stated on

http://www.ashburtononline.co.nz/site/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=170731

“I had heaps of energy and caused my parents a lot of distress when I was growing up.” His parents
set firm boundaries for him and sent him to a boarding school where he was once caned 36 times in one day. On another
occasion a policeman who caught him hooning around in his car, drove him out to Fern Hill, took his shoes off him and made him walk 20 kilometres back to his car.

So Mcvicar was a boy racer and bound to be drinking and driving.

He lied about 36 canes to his back side in a day as 3 canes make your backside black and blue with blood wheeping out as 36 canes you would be beaten to death or placed in hospital.

Just an exanple of Garth Mcvicars bragging over the top as every thingt that comes from his mouth as what could any one do to get 36 canes in one day as that must of been 100 worse than any tagger to get such a canning.
Whats wrong with nz to be suckered big ime by this moron Garth mcvicvar as he is a spiiner but he is robbing old people for donations while placing fear into their lives to suck them dry as he does the victims that he preys on to spin more lies.

Garth Mcvicar is also covering up child rapes on behalf of his long term members which on ois a police officer and his SST trust lawyer.

come on nz do not get lead like sheep by a sheep in wolf clothing.

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Doug,

When a when a brown boy kills a white, middle-aged and middle-class man the brown boy is guilty of murder, when a white, middle-aged and middle-class man kills a brown boy, the white man is also guilty of murder. I was trying to explain Garth McVicar’s apparent inability to understand this, and to set it in a wider, and I believe accurate, context. But it is true, I can only judge Garth McVicar by his words, not by personal acquaintance. If you think my explanation was wrong, please find me a better one.

JM

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No jockmoron, what is tragic in New Zealand is that when a brown boy kills a white, middle-aged and middle-class man the brown boy is a victim of society, but when a white, middle-aged and middle-class man kills a brown boy, the white man is called a racist.

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The reason Garth McVicar supported Emery was obvious, Emery is white, middle-aged and middle-class, his victim wasn’t. Emery’s victim represents everything that McVicar is terrified of, a brown, poor, over-breeding and restless underclass hellbent on causing mayhem in our well-ordered Anglo-Saxon society, how dare they? (The fact that this well-ordered society is presently undergoing a disintegration undermines his hypothesis a little, but I don’t suppose this has registered yet.) His hero, Emery, represents the last vestiges of civilised life backed into a corner, and fighting for its existence in a frightening world; what happened in reality was the exact antithesis of McVicar’s delusional state. The capacity of such people as Garth McVicar for self examination is nil, as is their capacity for empathy for others excluded from their closeted and distorted view of the real world.

What is tragic in New Zealand is the number of people who think like him, including it would seem some posting to this blog. Our threatening economic mayhem is going to put great stresses on our society. We live in one of the OECD’s most unequal societies, in terms of educational attainment, health, and divisions of wealth. It would be my contention that much of the difficulty we suffer in our society is related to this simple fact, and it will certainly have a lot to do with how we manage, or not, the economic and social storm coming our way.

What McVicar and his ilk refuse to understand is that you can’t lock up an entire underclass, it has been attempted previously of course, as in eighteenth century France and early twentieth-century Russia, but the results were not noted as a resounding success.

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Hey yo, I smoke dust and spray walls,
Smoked blunts with Biggie Smalls
Kinda
I was young, had my Bebo page, I was hardcore.
Got some cans from homebase
went sprayin the whole place
Door to door
Then some fat baldin middle age bloke chased me..
And there’s where the ryhme falls over
Sh*t

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Car killers: Manslaughter versus dangerous driving causing death
I saw a TV programme years ago (in the UK) where a senior police office was explainging the logic behind these offences.

The police experience was that it was really hard to bring manslaughter (or murder) charges against people who used cars to kill others. It seems that juries are very happy to convict a big, burly, (insert country specific racial stereotype here) knife and gun wielding folks of murder and manslaughter, but when it comes to someone just like them, who behaves just like them, doing just what they do, who while drunk happend to run someone over, the “there for the grace of God goes I” argument kicks in, and the jury finds not guilty for manslaughter or murder.

Thus a new series of “soft” crimes were introduced, with far lesser sentences, which juries were able to find themselves capable of convicting “ordinary” people of.

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toad Says: February 17th, 2009 at 8:20 am

Good disticntion, thanks. I do get the impression though, that manslaughter charges are frequently laid instead of reckless driving causing death when the driver has a history of serious traffic offences. Maybe that’s just frustration at the failure of the enfocrement approach to deliver a substantial drop in the road toll. Further proof that punishing bad behaviour doesn’t work and just leads to a viscious circle of escalating “tougher” sentences?

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Nommopilot,
The action wasint stabing someone, the action was threatining the purportraitor with a potentially deadly instrument. Not the smartist thing to do by a long shot, but not exactly going out there with the intention to wound or kill.
The result of his stupidity in chasing them was that he provoked a physical confrontation. He may have just intended to scare but his stupidity ment he ended up on the defensive in a situation where he was totally vulnerable, even if he was thrusting wildly about with the knife such an action, esspecially while under attack or protecting his eyesight, is justified self defence (though he lacks the legal self-defence defence since he provoked the confrontation) and is insufficent for a conviction of murder as murder requires the intention be present, manslaughter however only requires negligence and suits this case fine. The fact that the death itself resulted not from him using the knife as a stabing weapon but as a meathod of preventing attack, much like a porcupine, and the young idiot (theres alot of idiots in this case) ran into the knife. the coroners report confirmed that the penetration was not the result of a stabing action. the sentance mearly reflects the facts of the situation and the idiocracy of all parties concerned.

The blame for this lies with the young idiots, and many others, alienation from community and society as a whole. a fact not helped by the likes of appologists, drug laws, gang culture, his parents, the school system, etc, etc. Ultimatly the blame lies with every one of us, some more than others, since none of us has eliminated the situations that allowed him, and many other youths, to addapt to their environments in such a way. That addaption in turn being both what ment the young idiots were there that night and being part of the source of frustration that resulted in emeries actions.

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“Getting into a brawl with the property owner after-the-fact may well cost you your life.”

and the guy didn’t know stabbing a kid with a knife may result in a jail term for murder? “he walked into my knife” please….

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“The resultant message is clear – if you dont want to be a victim of crime, if you want to take action, then you need to be prepared to be classed as a criminal and do jail time, and watch the original perpetrator be classed as the less bad guy.”

If that “action” is stabbing someone, the guy spraypainting the wall IS the less bad guy. full stop. I don’t condone the tagging but if society’s response to this is “it’s ok to take matters into your own hands” then it will be no time before taggers are carrying guns and 5h1t will start getting really ugly…

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>>Once again I am amazed that contributors such as BB and BP can think that tagging, far from being a “minor crime” is one that deserves the death penalty,

Getting into a brawl with the property owner after-the-fact may well cost you your life.

That’s the deal.

The guy seemed to know it, as he was well into the gangsta stylee.

Trouble is…

Being killed by a fat middle aged bloke with a fishing knife…

…ain’t exactly Snoop Dog

Tragic.

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nommopilot Says:
February 17th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

> seriously? righteous? he stabbed a kid 35 years a junior in defence of his wall…

not really. He stabbed him long after he had scared him away from said wall.

# DougT Says:
February 17th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

> Kiori 1,

> that wasn’t a “gang fight”, it was a few youths getting up to shennagans like youths do.

Doug, I’m intrigued that you claim to know so much about the gang fight / shennanagans outside Kiore’s house that he was referring to. Were you in his street at the time? Do you even know where Kiore lives?

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I think Katie is saying “it’s societies fault”?

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“A teenager with a spray can may be annoying, if you put a high personal value on a blank wall. But he or she is not life-threatening, and maybe the message being delivered is pertinent, and one that the wall-owner should be paying attention to.”

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Kiori 1,

that wasn’t a “gang fight”, it was a few youths getting up to shennagans like youths do.

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Y’all giving this far more thought time than it deserves.

At its most basic – there was a person comitting a crime, and (unusually) a member of the public was prepared to take action. As a result that person went to jail. Everything else is just static on the airwaves.

The resultant message is clear – if you dont want to be a victim of crime, if you want to take action, then you need to be prepared to be classed as a criminal and do jail time, and watch the original perpetrator be classed as the less bad guy.

Can there be any other interpretation that is supported by the facts?

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Once again I am amazed that contributors such as BB and BP can think that tagging, far from being a “minor crime” is one that deserves the death penalty, and from vigilantes, not even from a court. But premeditated killing seems to be considered to be a “minor crime”.

Yes it is annoying when taggers spray paint your property, but it does not justify killing. I am surprised that the crime was manslaughter. It seems that by grabbing a knife and chasing someone who was obviously no threat, it should have been murder.

I have never agreed with the Sensible Sentencing Trust, though until now I have seen where they are coming from and respected them for their concern over crime. Until now. They are totally hypocritical in turning a blind eye to the crime of manslaughter (possibly murder) while getting apoplectic about tagging. Strange priorities.

And certainly the police should get their priorities right as well when it comes to crime. Whenever there is a demonstration against animal abuse the cops outnumber the protesters. But when there was a gang fight in my street and someone was knocked out, the cops never showed. The ambulance driver refused to drive into the fight scene without a police escort, which I don’t really blame him for. Next time there is a gang fight I will dial 111 and tell the police there is a bunch of crazed animal rights activists fighting. Then they will come straight away!

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“Anyway why not try it out like BP said nommopilot?
Is there any reason you wouldn’t?”

um, because I’m not stupid. this gang house argument is dumb. if we have to behave like savages in order to keep the savages at bay then they have already won by assimilation. (leaving aside that tagging is far less savage than putting a knife in someone).

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“I think all the people here that think vandalism is harmless fun ”

I don’t think anyone said that. I think all those people who think stabbing someone is all right put an ad in the paper saying “come stab me”.

I think it’s a sad state of affairs too but I think these children can only feel encouraged to take the law into their own hands by those who say that killing someone can be justified by the value of what you’re defending (say, a wall, or a car stereo).

your law-abiding citizen wasn’t dragged anywhere. he put himself in the situation and he put the knife in the boy.

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Anyway why not try it out like BP said nommopilot?
Is there any reason you wouldn’t?

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