by frog
I could not resist this cartoon over at Salon.com …
Published in Media | Society & Culture by frog on Thu, January 22nd, 2009
Tags: bush, cartoon, salon.com, shoe, tom tomorrow
A farewell salute from Tom Tomorrow
Published: January 22, 2009
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
wow frog..!
..we really do have different editing-tastes..eh..?
i regularly link to tom tomorrow cartoons..
..finding them often worthwhile..
..that one i looked at..
..and went ‘meh..!.”
..but you find it cutting edge/’could not resist’….
..eh..?
(can we extend this metaphor..?
..oh..!..never mind..!..)
..btw..consider yourself ‘snarked’..eh..?
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/have-you-been-snarked-latelybill-ralston-had-a-good-snark-at-russell-brown-a-little-while-backehralston-ehwith-his-little-curlicues-of-knowingnesseh/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Mostly I just fail to look up the Tom Tomorrow cartoons due to lack of time. But I often enjoy them when I do take the time. Linking to them? Only when the mood strikes me. Must be part of the Obama buz this time, which hasn´t quite worn off yet. I am not sure it is cutting edge at all, rather almost past it´s use by date. Nevertheless, I could not resist putting it up.
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Very sorry to see him go
his one job was to keep America Safe and he did that
not one attack on American soil after 11-9-2001
Pretty good job it seems to me !!!
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Personally, I think he left the US much less safe than Bush found it. He squandered any hope of a genuine international cooperation to tackle terrorism. Through his foolish actions he has bred another whole generation of would be terrorists with the US clearly in their sites. It seems that the defence/security establishment of the US thinks so too.
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Panda,
I have for sale an extremely valuable gem-stone. Although to the untrained eye it may look like a regular stone, it has the power to ward off Tigers AND Lions. I have never ever been attacked since I’ve had it, which is going on 12 months now. It is very reasonably priced..
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Frog
“Personally, I think he left the US much less safe than Bush found it. He squandered any hope of a genuine international cooperation to tackle terrorism”
FFS!
Do you really think you can negotiate with terrorists Frog?, the same terrorists who have stated that they want to wipe out the western world unless it embraces the Muslim faith.
How can you be that gullible?
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Frog didn’t suggest negotiation, but international cooperation, I’m sure to contain those terrorists already active and reduce growth in their ranks. Bush, by making the US hated more than ever in the world, played right into terrorist leaders hands, making it easy for them to swell their numbers. Think before you shoot big bro. Violence is usually not the only, nor best option.
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big bro Says:
January 23rd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
> Do you really think you can negotiate with terrorists Frog?
one thing you can sometimes do is to negotiate with the governments of countries that terrorists are in, to get them to use their power as governments to hand them over. I think it’s absolutely criminal that Bush didn’t even try negotiating with the Taleban to see if they would hand over Osama bin Laden – especially as political scientists who had studied the Taleban said they might be getting sick and tired of sheltering him, and the Taleban themselves said they would release him for trial in a ‘neutral muslim country’.
Pakistan had diplomatic relations with the Taleban, but President Bush told President Musharraf that if he wanted to continue to be friends with the US, he had to break off relations with Afghanistan. The US should have let Pakistan negotiate with the Taleban to hand over Osama bin Laden for trial in Morocco or Bangladesh or somewhere. But no! They effectively made the president of Pakistan promise not to try negotiating!
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I think you’re wrong panda. Valis has it right. There’s been no further need for bin Laden and others to waste resources on attacking the US directly. Bush’s adventures have played right into their hands. Just as the Israelis have just created a new generation of potential martyrs in Gaza, so the US continues to stir up Muslims around the world and that is what the extremists want and need.
As long as we all continue to fund them through our oil addiction the problem will continue.
As for Tom’s cartoon and the observations of many other American commentators and people in the street, they’ve all got a damned cheek.
They voted for an obviously ill equiped candidate in sufficient numbers to enable their biased and injudicious judiciary to annoint him. Then, after 4 years and having established beyond all doubt that he’s dangerously ignorant and incompetent they vote him in again legitimately.
Now they’re all blaming George for their own stupidity and heaving sighs of relief.
He’s not to blame. The ignorance and the parochialism of the average American voter is the problem.
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There are no average American voters. There are voters on the right and voters on the left. There is nobody in the middle. It can be laid at the feet of anyone you wish…. but the truth remains. There is no center. America is already divided.
BJ
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BB – I never spoke of negotiation, as Valis said. You are probably too young to remember the last big wave of global terrorism in the 60s and 70s. It was dealt with thorough international cooperation as a police issue, and dealt with very effectively. (So effectively that many innocents that were merely legitimate political opposition got swept up into it, but nevertheless it was effective at eradicating the actual terrorist threat.)
Invading Afghanistan was using a sledge to swat a fly. Invading Iraq was downright foolish in the extreme, and as the State Department itself asserts, has created more terrorists than it will ever eradicate.
There is nothing new under the sun BB. Terrorism always comes at the zenith and during the decay of empire. The European powers have long dealt with it and now it’s America’s turn. I doubt it’s over, but unfortunately just beginning, particularly with the lame brained way that W has responded.
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Frog, “the last big wave of global terrorism in the 60s and 70s…was dealt with thorough international cooperation as a police issue…” is based on what sort of analysis? Geopolitical or socioeconomic?
Your assessment may be correct but my recollection is that there were two main organisations behind those waves of terror – PLO and IRA. The PLO went quiet after OPEC proved pol embargoes are a far more effective tool for punishing Isreal’s friends than blowing up airplains in the desert or massacreing Olympians. The IRA only went quiet when the economic benefits of Ireland joining the EU became apparent.
I think what we saw was the income inequality = high crime rates theory being proved true at the global level and, most importantly, we can see also the proof that adressing those income inequalities (by using oil prices to redistribute wealth from the western/Christian/developed world to the middle eastern/Islamic/developing world). Ditto when Ireland stepped across Britain to become part of Europe. It remains to be seen what will happen in pan-Africa, ASEAN and former Soviet block countries – will they copy the successful american and european models of adopting a continental common currency free trading zone or perpetuate genocidal national socialism or return to the dark ages of a “world” divided into politico-religous power zones?
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The PLO was definitely in my mind, but not the IRA, because they were not vanquished by police action and international cooperation, at least not at that time. Folks like Baader Meinhof, the Weather Underground, the Black Afro Militant Movement, etc, to name just the more prominent western groups seeking to wreak havoc. These were the folks I had in mind, and a few others that had a merry time blowing Paris and southern France to bits, whose name I cannot remember nor care to.
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Can’t resist.
Have to post a link to my fav semi-political cartoonist, local talent with humour.
[Publishes every Wednesday, for Wellingtonians.]
http://jitterati.comicgenesis.com/
Do bookmark him, it’s well worth checking in occasionally!
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Already feels long gone to me – not a bad feeling either; but then, maybe I’m just glomming on the wave of relief.
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see frog..!
this is a much funnier ‘tom tomorrow..
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/this-modern-world-4/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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Pretty Good Phil – why does your site have a Login Ramp but no obvious sign-up one?
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mark..(um..!..i am ashamed to admit..
..i haven’t a clue about which you speak..
..and ‘why does it..?’.
..and why should it have ‘a sign-up one’..?
..and what is ‘a sign-up pne’..
..(yours in (semi-) cheerful ignorance/ludditeness..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
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ah Phil…I’ll have another look
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