Comments on: Sue Bradford on the “Fire at Will” Bill http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/ hopping along the corridors of power Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:28:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: samiam http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68447 samiam Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:26:36 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68447 In my experience over many years of employing.. The other staff are the ones most annoyed by an f-wit. I'm completely with Shawn the sheep on this one. I have many times had some pimply geek enquire about work only to turn him/her down cos I'm too scared to risk giving her/him a go. Now I'll readily give them a punt, I'll be delighted to see them grow into the job and, if not.... YOUR FIRED! In my experience over many years of employing..
The other staff are the ones most annoyed by an f-wit. I’m completely with Shawn the sheep on this one. I have many times had some pimply geek enquire about work only to turn him/her down cos I’m too scared to risk giving her/him a go. Now I’ll readily give them a punt, I’ll be delighted to see them grow into the job and, if not….
YOUR FIRED!

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]]> By: Shawn Tan http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68439 Shawn Tan Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:41:55 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68439 Also, what Sue and fellow lefties don't realise is that most other developed countries have probationary periods in their employment legislation. In my country of birth, for instance, most employees are subjected to a 12-month probationary period. And they welcome this, because it gives them the opportunity to prove themselves, and let their skills/talents shine. A mindset of cynicism and a demeanour of resentment won't get you very far. Where the pessimist sees doom and gloom, the optimist sees hope and opportunity. It's such a shame, judging by the comments of those hailing from the Left, that lefties seem more inclined to view things pessimistically. Such a bleak outlook in life is what consigns you to poverty and mediocrity. Also, what Sue and fellow lefties don’t realise is that most other developed countries have probationary periods in their employment legislation.

In my country of birth, for instance, most employees are subjected to a 12-month probationary period. And they welcome this, because it gives them the opportunity to prove themselves, and let their skills/talents shine.

A mindset of cynicism and a demeanour of resentment won’t get you very far.

Where the pessimist sees doom and gloom, the optimist sees hope and opportunity.

It’s such a shame, judging by the comments of those hailing from the Left, that lefties seem more inclined to view things pessimistically. Such a bleak outlook in life is what consigns you to poverty and mediocrity.

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]]> By: Shawn Tan http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68438 Shawn Tan Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:41:09 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68438 This isn't a "fire-at-will" bill; it's a 'HIRE-at-will' bill. The bill is incredibly empowering for workers, especially the low-skilled ones, because it gives them increased opportunities to be hired/trialled. I personally know a number of small employers who said they'll now consider hiring certain applicants they previously wouldn't entertain, thanks to the passage of this bill. Try telling these very applicants their rights have been stripped away. This isn’t a “fire-at-will” bill; it’s a ‘HIRE-at-will’ bill.

The bill is incredibly empowering for workers, especially the low-skilled ones, because it gives them increased opportunities to be hired/trialled.

I personally know a number of small employers who said they’ll now consider hiring certain applicants they previously wouldn’t entertain, thanks to the passage of this bill.

Try telling these very applicants their rights have been stripped away.

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]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68329 jh Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:08:04 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68329 The problem with electric cars is the battery. People assume innovation is linear but it isn't. Pick your winner here but remember a miss is as good as a mile> http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Top_100_Technologies_--_RD The problem with electric cars is the battery. People assume innovation is linear but it isn’t. Pick your winner here but remember a miss is as good as a mile>

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Top_100_Technologies_–_RD

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]]> By: IceBaby http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68321 IceBaby Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:20:08 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68321 >>admits losses and cuts jobs Of course. They are a start-up, and start-ups run on venture capital. The venture capital markets are frozen. But that doesn't mean the tech isn't happening. There are countless manufacturers set to release electric cars in the next few years. I can't wait to buy one. >>admits losses and cuts jobs

Of course. They are a start-up, and start-ups run on venture capital. The venture capital markets are frozen.

But that doesn’t mean the tech isn’t happening. There are countless manufacturers set to release electric cars in the next few years. I can’t wait to buy one.

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]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68319 jh Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:11:12 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68319 The new growth industry will be importing used bicycles from China. :wink: The new growth industry will be importing used bicycles from China. :wink:

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]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68318 jh Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:04:55 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68318 "And they’re dead wrong about cars. Looking forward to seeing the two electric test cars arriving here early next year for extensive testing." Electric car manufacturer hit by financial crisis Tesla Motors, which has won fans including George Clooney and Arnold Schwarzenegger, admits losses and cuts jobs http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/oct/16/alternativeenergy-usa “And they’re dead wrong about cars. Looking forward to seeing the two electric test cars arriving here early next year for extensive testing.”

Electric car manufacturer hit by financial crisis
Tesla Motors, which has won fans including George Clooney and Arnold Schwarzenegger, admits losses and cuts jobs

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/oct/16/alternativeenergy-us a

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]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68316 jh Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:01:49 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68316 And a head in sand ostrich. And a head in sand ostrich.

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]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68315 jh Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:59:32 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68315 Don't you have a flying pig emoticon Frog? See if you can get a water melon too. Don’t you have a flying pig emoticon Frog? See if you can get a water melon too.

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]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68314 jh Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:58:14 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68314 :flyingpig: :flyingpig:

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]]> By: IceBaby http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68311 IceBaby Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:14:25 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68311 >>Being right is a natural human condition - when I was your age, I put this to the test on the sports field, didn’t pretend to interrupt those with more weighty problems on their minds - but if you are old enough to vote, then why not go support a party you respect? I'm 40. >>Once old enough to laugh at one’s mistakes - one can get on with life - why I think people say that life begins at 40. I do laugh at my mistakes, but from what I can see, the Greens aren't aware they make any. Amusing, because they are wrong about just about everything, IMHO. EFA, price of oil, global temperature, election result, etc etc... And they're dead wrong about cars. Looking forward to seeing the two electric test cars arriving here early next year for extensive testing. >>Being right is a natural human condition – when I was your age, I put this to the test on the sports field, didn’t pretend to interrupt those with more weighty problems on their minds – but if you are old enough to vote, then why not go support a party you respect?

I’m 40.

>>Once old enough to laugh at one’s mistakes – one can get on with life – why I think people say that life begins at 40.

I do laugh at my mistakes, but from what I can see, the Greens aren’t aware they make any. Amusing, because they are wrong about just about everything, IMHO. EFA, price of oil, global temperature, election result, etc etc…

And they’re dead wrong about cars. Looking forward to seeing the two electric test cars arriving here early next year for extensive testing.

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]]> By: Sapient http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68306 Sapient Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:35:19 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68306 Im a party member, but then again i suppose im on the attack more often than not :P Im a party member, but then again i suppose im on the attack more often than not :P

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]]> By: kahikatea http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68303 kahikatea Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:20:57 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68303 Ari Says: December 16th, 2008 at 8:46 pm > you don’t actually see too many Green voters or Green members defending stuff here. Mostly it’s the MPs, frog, and of the party members, it’s usually me, Toad, Katie, and Kakariki, with Toad being the most frequent commenter. I try to do my bit, too. Ari Says:
December 16th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

> you don’t actually see too many Green voters or Green members defending stuff here. Mostly it’s the MPs, frog, and of the party members, it’s usually me, Toad, Katie, and Kakariki, with Toad being the most frequent commenter.

I try to do my bit, too.

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]]> By: jh http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68211 jh Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:58:48 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68211 Heather Roy seemed to be suggesting that the Greens wanted people to starve by making biofuels compulsory (in Parliament). If she didn't believe that she is being disingenuous. Presenting things as different to what you know them to be is otherwise known as lying. Heather Roy seemed to be suggesting that the Greens wanted people to starve by making biofuels compulsory (in Parliament). If she didn’t believe that she is being disingenuous. Presenting things as different to what you know them to be is otherwise known as lying.

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]]> By: dad4justice http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68198 dad4justice Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:17:46 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68198 Sue Bradford is a disgrace to New Zealand. Sue Bradford is a disgrace to New Zealand.

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]]> By: Ari http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68168 Ari Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:46:41 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68168 <blockquote>Feel free to point a few out. </blockquote> Just off the top of my head, our emphasis on community-driven local fresh food is a highly centrist policy that relies on neither greater social welfare nor individual responsibility. The Greens are also built in a centrist, grass-roots fashion where we devolve to local communities and committees of interested members, and authority "builds up" from there, rather than pronouncements being delivered from on-high. I suggest you do your research. :) <blockquote>Well, unlike a lot of people here, I actually voted Green - yeees, and I’m interested in their welfare - I would recommend all disassociates return to their respective hideouts.</blockquote> Yeah, we get so many right-wing ideologues coming along to critique anything that you don't actually see too many Green voters or Green members defending stuff here. Mostly it's the MPs, frog, and of the party members, it's usually me, Toad, Katie, and Kakariki, with Toad being the most frequent commenter. Then again, this is probably because since G.Blog started we've had an outlet for our writing.

Feel free to point a few out.

Just off the top of my head, our emphasis on community-driven local fresh food is a highly centrist policy that relies on neither greater social welfare nor individual responsibility.

The Greens are also built in a centrist, grass-roots fashion where we devolve to local communities and committees of interested members, and authority “builds up” from there, rather than pronouncements being delivered from on-high.

I suggest you do your research. :)

Well, unlike a lot of people here, I actually voted Green – yeees, and I’m interested in their welfare – I would recommend all disassociates return to their respective hideouts.

Yeah, we get so many right-wing ideologues coming along to critique anything that you don’t actually see too many Green voters or Green members defending stuff here. Mostly it’s the MPs, frog, and of the party members, it’s usually me, Toad, Katie, and Kakariki, with Toad being the most frequent commenter. Then again, this is probably because since G.Blog started we’ve had an outlet for our writing.

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]]> By: Mark http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68167 Mark Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:44:23 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68167 Sapient: posted a bit last year and will continue to do so until the next virile human passes my hutch....interuptions can be hell you know...yeah I had a Med Spec advise me against returning to NZ; but hell...it's home ay? Just I got a recent lesson on how NZ can look like Gitmo if you de wrong place, wrong time, and the right gang be bored... There's nothing like an inspection from a thorough Human Rights Investigator from the UN to come to NZ. Certainly this event was attended by major social shock, and media attention in Australia - I gotta say, the many Kiwis I met in Australia, didn't want any part of a maori/pakeha debate; wanted just to be Kiwi's; so strange to fill in a form which doesn't permit me to elect that racial option: if I ain't a Kiwi, then I'm startin' a Club tonite....ice, anyone? Sapient: posted a bit last year and will continue to do so until the next virile human passes my hutch….interuptions can be hell you know…yeah I had a Med Spec advise me against returning to NZ; but hell…it’s home ay?
Just I got a recent lesson on how NZ can look like Gitmo if you de wrong place, wrong time, and the right gang be bored…
There’s nothing like an inspection from a thorough Human Rights Investigator from the UN to come to NZ.
Certainly this event was attended by major social shock, and media attention in Australia – I gotta say, the many Kiwis I met in Australia, didn’t want any part of a maori/pakeha debate; wanted just to be Kiwi’s; so strange to fill in a form which doesn’t permit me to elect that racial option: if I ain’t a Kiwi, then I’m startin’ a Club tonite….ice, anyone?

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]]> By: Sapient http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68165 Sapient Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:00:18 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68165 Mark, I know you havint been posting for long so i will let you off a rark-up about how arbitary human rights are; just one of my personal pet peaves :P Im not known for my respect of such romantic ideals as morals and rights. Mark,
I know you havint been posting for long so i will let you off a rark-up about how arbitary human rights are; just one of my personal pet peaves :P Im not known for my respect of such romantic ideals as morals and rights.

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]]> By: Mark http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68161 Mark Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:51:34 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68161 Icy; If you didn't have a right to speak - the wholesome green arbiters would censor you no? Of course you do and welcome; I'd like to see you make a choice between construction and destruction. Being right is a natural human condition - when I was your age, I put this to the test on the sports field, didn't pretend to interrupt those with more weighty problems on their minds - but if you are old enough to vote, then why not go support a party you respect? Once old enough to laugh at one's mistakes - one can get on with life - why I think people say that life begins at 40. There are a lot of wise heads that can't be bothered with endless non-sensical arguing - there is none so blind as one who refuses to see. Thus I fear your lower the common standard here. Finally - nature is all against me - two ears, two eyes, and only one mouth! One day I had to shaddup and learn...no fear of being wrong, just a certainty I must listen to learn what is right... Icy; If you didn’t have a right to speak – the wholesome green arbiters would censor you no?
Of course you do and welcome; I’d like to see you make a choice between construction and destruction.
Being right is a natural human condition – when I was your age, I put this to the test on the sports field, didn’t pretend to interrupt those with more weighty problems on their minds – but if you are old enough to vote, then why not go support a party you respect?
Once old enough to laugh at one’s mistakes – one can get on with life – why I think people say that life begins at 40.
There are a lot of wise heads that can’t be bothered with endless non-sensical arguing – there is none so blind as one who refuses to see. Thus I fear your lower the common standard here.
Finally – nature is all against me – two ears, two eyes, and only one mouth!
One day I had to shaddup and learn…no fear of being wrong, just a certainty I must listen to learn what is right…

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]]> By: IceBaby http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68158 IceBaby Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:26:40 +0000 http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/12/15/sue-bradford-on-the-fire-at-will-bill/#comment-68158 >>That’s because you do not listen, IceBaby. Feel free to point a few out. >>if you have not participated in true Negotiation, it would be better to remain silent I've employed people. I've been an employee. Am I not allowed to speak? I do not fear being wrong, Sir. But I sense you do.... >>That’s because you do not listen, IceBaby.

Feel free to point a few out.

>>if you have not participated in true Negotiation, it would be better to remain silent

I’ve employed people. I’ve been an employee. Am I not allowed to speak? I do not fear being wrong, Sir.

But I sense you do….

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