by frog
Toad at g.blog follows up on my post yesterday about the Greens’ strong Nelson poll with news from the West Coast-Tasman electorate:
Well, now the Nelson Mail have published a poll for the West Coast – Tasman electorate. And the Greens are polling even better there – 13.7% (including 27% in Golden Bay).
The Greens’ seventh ranked candidate Kevin Hague should be well buoyed by that result. There is a false perception that coasters and the Greens do not get one well. In fact there is very strong support on the coast for many for the core Green Party messages of sustainability and protecting our natural environment. Last election the Greens took 9 percent of the West Coast-Tasman vote. It looks like Golden Bay and Te Aro could be having another close contest for most Green polling booth this year.
Published in Campaign by frog on Fri, October 31st, 2008
Tags: , frogblog, golden bay, Kevin Hague, new zealand, tasman, West Coast
on the trolls and those who are unable to keep on topic
I do wonder how many of these people actually know the name of the Greens’ candidate though…
It’s bit different to that other post (http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/31/greymouth-swings-green/), but what’d you expect…
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Splitting the Labour vote. Nice work
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Green+Labour > National. Nice Work
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BP, 12 years on, are you still one of those in FPP mode?
Since the Nats rolled out a whole lot of policies over the last 3 months that would take NZ in the opposite direction to that of Green policy and the Greens decided they could not support a National-led government, this is the best way the parties could number up. Hope it is relected nationally come election day.
Mind you, I’d still like the Greens a bit higher and Labour a bit lower – that would give the Greens more bargaining power post-election. We’ve still got a week to achieve that.
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Yes its good fwwog amphibian and there’s more,
NAT win,
if Winston First gets 5%
you will suddenly see the rift between NAT and NZF disappear,
also fwwog, people are sick of MMP,
put yous web feet up fwwog,
we don’t shoot if you give up
and stop making the same mistakes that Rod Donald made, when you learneded fwwog,
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BluePeter Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm
> Splitting the Labour vote. Nice work
this is the party vote, not the electorate vote. So the vote-splitting argument doesn’t apply.
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>>are you still one of those in FPP mode?
Sure. Why not?
The people are tired of MMP and you meddlesome, whining minnows. Sadly, we won’t see the end of the Greens this election, but one can only hope next time round.
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>>So the vote-splitting argument doesn’t apply.
The candidate vote in that link is split. Could give it to National….
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we gots our webby footies up, kwiksotic pete, but weez wavin’ not drownin
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Some of the people Blue Peter, only some of the people
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Most, according to the latest poll.
We have not forgotten the way in which the MMP Review Committee arrived at its decision, Greenfly. We want that referendum. 76% of us.
What are you afraid of?
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you’re a sucker for the polls BP! That one in particular (happy with the wording were you? Like to see it phrased the same way in a binding referendum?)
What am I afraid of? Cynical manipulation by self interested parties, greed, lust for power, the suggestability of a misinformed public, that sort of thing.
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More misleading crap from the greens, Kevin is only attracting 3.8% of the electorate vote, and I bet that is all from the Tasman end of the electorate. He has next to no credibility on the West Coast due to his shocking management of grey base hospital, but we are all pleased he is on the green party list as there is a good chance he won’t be back at the hospital.
“There is a false perception that coasters and the Greens do not get one well.”
No way is that a false perception, its all your mates from that smug part of the electorate at the Tasman end that vote green, I assure you, the greens are not popular on the West Coast!!
The entire West Coast except Westport(which is still marginal) is overwhelmingly voting National for electorate and party vote.
It just reveals how stupid it is to have such a large and detached electorate, the West Coast should be separate from Tasman.
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Sadly, Shunda appears to be a very frightened person, at least when it comes to an holistic view of the Universe that is underpinned by a deep respect for the environment. To be wholeheartedly anti-green is to fail to appreciate humanity’s inextricable link to the cosmos
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No fear here kjuv, what in my above post is anything other than the reality facing this electorate?
“To be wholeheartedly anti-green is to fail to appreciate humanity’s inextricable link to the cosmos”
Actually Kjuv, I am a very green person in the sense that I care for the environment and commited to leading a sustainable lifestyle, I just don’t care for extremism and social engineering to achieve it.
Your assumption that only those who support the green party are legitamate participants in a sustainable future is not only wrong but very arogant, It is this attitude that many West Coasters can’t stand.
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So Greens….
tinyurl.com/67jmof
Time to demonstrate your principles. Will you support a Labour-led government that NZFirst/Winston is ANY part of?
Or do you condone this behavior?
What will you be recommending to the members?
The rubber hits the road here, fwwarg…..
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Fwwarg…..
Big trouble in little China today, fwarg.
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The greens deserve to get the most votes, and lead the government. We are the political party with an eye on the future and the critical environmental issues our world faces. We also are care for people. We’re concerned for the well-being and survival for everyone in our communities, not just the rich or privileged.
So it doesn’t look like we’ll get more votes than Labour or National this election, but it will happen in the future. Labour will likely see a falling vote as our vote grows. Other parties will likely loose support in the same way as Labour. Why should we be unhappy with that? We are willing to show the leadership our country needs, while other parties either fudge it (Labour) or head in the opposite direction (National).
The Greens are ready for the task, and NZ voters who are genuinely concerned for our environment and our communities can make a genuine contribution by party voting green. Every vote will strengthen our position, and a strong Green position will mean real protection for people and the environment in the next government.
I honestly believe the Greens are the only major party seriously tackling the important issues of our time. They are the party with the best policy platform of all parties in New Zealand today.
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“I honestly believe the Greens are the only major party seriously tackling the important issues of our time. They are the party with the best policy platform of all parties in New Zealand today.”
And I honestly beleive you are totally wrong, If Kevin Hague can’t manage a hospital he certainly can’t manage a country, and he is just one of many greens from a similar position.
I know alot of people with an environmental conscience that will not vote green due to the not so hidden socialist agenda. The green wrapper on the NZ communist party is begining to fade, it is only a matter of time before a more grass roots green movement starts in NZ and the green party will become irrelevent.
Unless of course you shed the radicals and embrace true sustainability.
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save your nebulous trolling for kiwiblog readers Shunda
Shunda – for your benefit, nebuous; cloudy: lacking definite form or limits; “gropes among cloudy issues toward a feeble conclusion”
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“save your nebulous trolling for kiwiblog readers Shunda”
Is that your new favorite word McTap? I see you’ve already used that line at least once today.
I see in typical leftwing fasion you simply call me names and refuse to debate the issues I have raised above. Got any real answers?
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Shunda – what do you expect when you make this sort of statement:
“The green wrapper on the NZ communist party is begining to fade”
Got any real questions?
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The thing about the Greens is that we are a welcoming and accepting party, and members come from a wide variety of backgrounds. A true cross-section of society. We accept people who agree to our principals of Ecological Wisdom, Social Responsibility, Appropriate Decision-making and Non-Violence.
The strength of the Green movement is that it includes people with socialist leanings as well as people with free market leanings. They are all people and they make a valuable contribution to the Greens, making us a strong and political force. Our diversity gives us strength, and that perhaps frightens some people. There really is no need of fear though of a group of people committed to wisdom, responsibility and non-violence.
What I do fear is the possibility that we could destroy our world through greed. The greens stand against this and work every day for the principals we believe in.
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Please explain why so many environmentally minded people will not vote for the greens if its not due to the radical social policy?
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“What I do fear is the possibility that we could destroy our world through greed.”
I and many others share these concerns, so drop the progressive socialist agenda and your votes will increase, simple really.
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Shunda says: “What I do fear is the possibility that we could destroy our world through greed.”
so are you concerned that capatilism unfairly concentrates wealth in the hands of a greedy few?
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“so are you concerned that capatilism unfairly concentrates wealth in the hands of a greedy few?”
YES, I accept this is the achilles heal of the capitalist system, have you incorrectly assumed I am some raging capitalist right wing nutter?
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“Please explain why so many environmentally minded people will not vote for the greens if its not due to the radical social policy?”
I think you are right, though it is hardly that radical.
“I and many others share these concerns, so drop the progressive socialist agenda and your votes will increase, simple really.”
And if we throw in tax cuts, that would get us votes too, etc. But we don’t actually make policy simply to get votes. And we won’t be throwing half of our policy away to get more either.
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N Shunda, this is a basic belief of the socialists who’s agenda you claim is pushed by the Greens and that you wish the Greens to drop.
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“this is a basic belief of the socialists”
No it is a basic belief of any one who understands that greed is destructive to society.
Christians blieve in these ideals, it hardly makes them socialist!!
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I was at a seminar where the MC (a university academic) said essentially “We have had all 6 green MS here to talk to us over the years, and despite how they are portrayed in the media as a group of nutters, they are actually all genuine, practical and down-to-earth people”
One of the reasons our support is not higher than it is, is because of rumour and half-truths spread by our political opponents. This is not exactly unexpected, we are after all in a political environment with other less than ethical players.
We can and will work harder to get our message out, to clean up politics and to show up political opportunists for what they are.
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opps, should have read “6 green MPs”
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“One of the reasons our support is not higher than it is, is because of rumour and half-truths spread by our political opponents.”
I would also suggest that constant medling in the lives of people, banning, well, almost everything, treating intelligent people like they are stupid, and promoting tired old socialist policy has something to do with it also.
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shunda, do you have any original lines, or are you a parrot? this isn’t kiwi blog, how about backing up some of your wild assertions about communism or tired old socialism?
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One of the Green party principals is “Appropriate Decision-making”, and another is “Social Responsibility”. Appropriate Decision-making means that the government shouldn’t be un-necessarily involved in the lives and decision making of individuals.
Social Responsibility means that everyone should be responsible for themselves, and together we have a responsibility for everyone on earth.
The government can’t solve our problems any more than large corporations, military forces or any other bureaucracy.
The Greens agree with freedom and responsibility. We are a very liberal party in terms of personal freedoms.
The society and economy we see is a healthy ecosystem including individuals, businesses, non-profits, and appropriate government. No one sector should dominate.
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